Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[sptrawler]

OK.

I'll explain it in a little more detail.

The tax cuts during the 3 budgets of the Rudd government originated from Peter Costello as part of the 2007 election campaign. Labor adopted them as part of their "me too" campaign strategy to get elected in 2007.

If those tax cuts were stupid as Coalition policy, they were equally stupid as Labor policy.

I was following the same line of thought drsmith, I just thought IFocus had dropped the ball. LOL

 

[sptrawler]

Gillard is a bit like Billy McMahon.

A joke.

And she has her Sonia, First Bloke.

gg

Jeez GG they both lack the legs.

 

[noco]

After today's news poll, Gillard does not seem to be inspiring too many voters. Abbott almost level and gaining ground week by week.

 

[noco]

Both Michael Costa and Peter Costello maintain Gillard is politically dead. My prediction is she won't be spending Xmas 2011 in the Lodge.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...dget-thumbs-down/story-e6freooo-1226056451806

 

[IFocus]

OK.

I'll explain it in a little more detail.

The tax cuts during the 3 budgets of the Rudd government originated from Peter Costello as part of the 2007 election campaign. Labor adopted them as part of their "me too" campaign strategy to get elected in 2007.

If those tax cuts were stupid as Coalition policy, they were equally stupid as Labor policy.

Yes agree that's what I said or at least meant wasn't trying to be partisan about the issue.

Howard / Costello's ridiculous middle class welfare give always will be a major if not the major barrier to any further possible tax cuts. You cannot have both IMHO

Look at the liars going on now from a minor adjustment not just from Abbottliar but backed right across the media.

 

[drsmith]

Yes agree that's what I said or at least meant wasn't trying to be partisan about the issue.

You not being partisan ?

It's too early in the day to be on the turps.

Howard / Costello's ridiculous middle class welfare give always will be a major if not the major barrier to any further possible tax cuts. You cannot have both IMHO

Tax cuts which Labor endorsed to get into power. Add grossly wasteful and mismanaged spending programs and that maks tax cuts (or reform) even harder.

Look at the liars going on now from a minor adjustment not just from Abbottliar but backed right across the media.

The media smell the death of the Gillard government.

 

[dutchie]

Both Michael Costa and Peter Costello maintain Gillard is politically dead. My prediction is she won't be spending Xmas 2011 in the Lodge.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...dget-thumbs-down/story-e6freooo-1226056451806

If she was smart she would marry Tim soon so that we can pay for the wedding reception!

 

[IFocus]

Tax cuts which Labor endorsed to get into power. Add grossly wasteful and mismanaged spending programs and that maks tax cuts (or reform) even harder.

DR you know as well as me that deficits come and go but its the structural issues within the federal budget that is the killer.

i.e. Howards middle class welfare

 

[trainspotter]

RON BOSWELL (in Parliament): In my 71 years Labor has only ever delivered six budget surpluses, an average of one every 12 years.

PENNY WONG (in Parliament): I acknowledge your longevity in this place.

(Excerpt from press conference):

REPORTER: I was just wondering if perhaps you were able to tell us the last time Labor delivered a surplus?

JULIA GILLARD: Yes I can, it's 1989-90.

22 years ago Labor delivered a surplus???

 

[drsmith]

DR you know as well as me that deficits come and go but its the structural issues within the federal budget that is the killer.

What are Labor's grossly wasteful and mismanaged spending programs doing for underlying structural issues within the federal budget ?

 

[sptrawler]

Gillard abandons mining towns

During the last election Julia was telling everyone how disgraceful fly in fly out was and how it was breaking down Australian family structures.
Also how much pollution is created with the planes ferrying people in and out constantly.
How long will it be before a major incident happens.
Obviously the rhetoric was to get the fly in fly outs to vote for them also the voters in disadvantaged remote areas thinking that Julia was going to improve their situation.
Don't forget these remote country towns that now have more people living in, fly in fly out accomodation than permanent housing.
The local councils are going broke because they don't get rates to reflect the population therefore the towns infrastructure falls into disrepair.
No the election is over, lets move on, its only some poxy town in W.A or Queensland anyway, why worry?
New conversation probably goes like this.
How is the mining tax going Wayne, I had a great idea last night when Tim and I were out for dinner and all we need is more money. Tourism Australia can run tours through the mining ghost towns, for the Chinese that own them.

Why can't we go back to the previous norm of if there is a town near the resource the company must use it.
The companies say "we can't get workers to move there". So the government says o.k use fly in fly out.
Then the government say they are going to get tough on the unemployed who won't move to where the work is.
JEEZ Someone is talking crap somewhere.

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

Actually I would like to find out if there is any plans to roll out N.B.N fibre to these towns in outback W.A and Queensland. I wouldn't be suprised if they are the ones to be covered by the satellites.
Meanwhile the state governments and locals have to pay through the nose to support local infrastructure for the mining companies.
While the federal government tax the company and spend the money anywhere but the local areas.
The only people that the government are sending to live in mining towns are illegal asylum seekers. They don't even tell the W.A goverment where or when they are putting them. But the state government and locals have to pay for them.

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

It's not just the mining towns themselves. There's recently been a serious suggestion that we do the exact opposite in Tasmania. That is, live in one state (Tas) but work in another (specifically SA).

I can see it now. Drive from Burnie (an industrial town that no longer has any industry thanks to the Greens and federal Labor) to Launceston. Fly to Melbourne. Change planes and fly to Adelaide. Then get to the job site (which just happens to be nowhere near Adelaide therefore another flight or a car / bus ride). Revese to go home.

I know of one person who does it. Lives in Hobart, works at a mine in SA. Apparently they make a fortune doing it such that the cost of flights isn't an issue.

Whatever happened to the idea that there could be jobs near where people live and vice versa? You know, you work in a mine so live in a nearby town. And you don't turn an entire state into an economic wasteland then suggest people fly interstate for work.

We constantly hear complaints about the environmental effects of commuting 10, 20 or 50 km from the suburbs of a city each day. Commuting 1000+ km adds an entirely new dimension to it and it's the height of madness when you really think about it.

 

[todster]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

During the last election Julia was telling everyone how disgraceful fly in fly out was and how it was breaking down Australian family structures.
Also how much pollution is created with the planes ferrying people in and out constantly.
How long will it be before a major incident happens.
Obviously the rhetoric was to get the fly in fly outs to vote for them also the voters in disadvantaged remote areas thinking that Julia was going to improve their situation.
Don't forget these remote country towns that now have more people living in, fly in fly out accomodation than permanent housing.
The local councils are going broke because they don't get rates to reflect the population therefore the towns infrastructure falls into disrepair.
No the election is over, lets move on, its only some poxy town in W.A or Queensland anyway, why worry?
New conversation probably goes like this.
How is the mining tax going Wayne, I had a great idea last night when Tim and I were out for dinner and all we need is more money. Tourism Australia can run tours through the mining ghost towns, for the Chinese that own them.

Why can't we go back to the previous norm of if there is a town near the resource the company must use it.
The companies say "we can't get workers to move there". So the government says o.k use fly in fly out.
Then the government say they are going to get tough on the unemployed who won't move to where the work is.
JEEZ Someone is talking crap somewhere.

BHP Ravensthorpe great example

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

Actualy todster, Ravensthorpe is re opening and Galaxy lithium is starting up.
But getting back to the original theme if B.H.P had supplied the housing at Ravensthorpe and Hopetoun there wouldn't have been a problem for the workers. Also there would be some infrastructure that they supplied rather than the taxpayer.
If B.H.P had to upgrade Ravensthorpe and Hopetouns sewage, electricity and supply housing they may have costed the mine on a more sustainable model.
Rather than saying it's a capital outlay of x for the mine and concentrate plant and if we can write off the cost who gives a rats

 

[todster]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

Actualy todster, Ravensthorpe is re opening and Galaxy lithium is starting up.
But getting back to the original theme if B.H.P had supplied the housing at Ravensthorpe and Hopetoun there wouldn't have been a problem for the workers. Also there would be some infrastructure that they supplied rather than the taxpayer.
If B.H.P had to upgrade Ravensthorpe and Hopetouns sewage, electricity and supply housing they may have costed the mine on a more sustainable model.
Rather than saying it's a capital outlay of x for the mine and concentrate plant and if we can write off the cost who gives a rats

Can't actually think of any mining town i have worked in the last 20years that i would want to live in.
Quite happy FIFO thanks.
This being a stockforum one would imagine shareholders chasing a better profit rather than building towns aswell as mines

 

[medicowallet]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

Can't actually think of any mining town i have worked in the last 20years that i would want to live in.
Quite happy FIFO thanks.
This being a stockforum one would imagine shareholders chasing a better profit rather than building towns aswell as mines

I have some friends who own "hotels" in mining towns.

Charge $120 per night for a room with basic facilities and have all rooms booked all the time (one of the hotels has 50 rooms)

Sounds to me like the mining companies have not done their sums, and should build portable townships, instead of paying millions per year for overpriced "hotels"'

I'm sure that the taxpayer would benefit from this.

 

[sails]

Looks like Gillard is losing the confidence of Queenslanders. Not sure that Rudd being so popular is because he is actually wanted back as leader, but given the dismal (imo) choice between Rudd, Gillard and Swan, I think it may mean Rudd is disliked the least of the three. Interesting that even labor supporters put him well above Gillard.

And perhaps the "uncommitted" should read "none of the above"...

The picture above is taken from this article from the Courier Mail:
Galaxy poll shows Queenslanders prefer Kevin Rudd as ALP leader and Julia Gillard's support sinking

 

[todster]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

I have some friends who own "hotels" in mining towns.

Charge $120 per night for a room with basic facilities and have all rooms booked all the time (one of the hotels has 50 rooms)

Sounds to me like the mining companies have not done their sums, and should build portable townships, instead of paying millions per year for overpriced "hotels"'

I'm sure that the taxpayer would benefit from this.

I did a 2 week job in Port Hedland a while back and they had to fly me back to Perth for one night as they had no room for me,flew back the next morning.
$120 a night in the Pilbara be lucky to get a caravan
Who wants to live 7-8 months a year in 40 degree + temperature,QLD might be different but WA most mines are miles from anywhere.
Most young guys with families are taking the cheap rent getting ahead and talking moving on.
Not long ago the iron ore spot price was $165/T putting it on the ship for $15 not hard to figure.

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Gillard abandons mining towns

I did a 2 week job in Port Hedland a while back and they had to fly me back to Perth for one night as they had no room for me,flew back the next morning.
$120 a night in the Pilbara be lucky to get a caravan
Who wants to live 7-8 months a year in 40 degree + temperature,QLD might be different but WA most mines are miles from anywhere.
Most young guys with families are taking the cheap rent getting ahead and talking moving on.
Not long ago the iron ore spot price was $165/T putting it on the ship for $15 not hard to figure.

What I am getting at todster is they say there will be 50,000 people working in the Pilbara within 20 years. That is a lot of planes and polution, if the mines want the workers they should be supplying housing and infrastucture to develop the area. It is much healtheir for people to work reasonable hours and come home to a family every day.