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Wellington Capital PIF/Octaviar (MFS) PIF

Coverage of the second day of examinations by the liquidator:
SMH http://www.smh.com.au/business/gold...-had-faith-in-failed-firm-20101216-18z3f.html

Gold Coast property chief had faith in failed firm
December 16, 2010 - 3:19PM

The head of a major financier of collapsed Gold Coast property group Octaviar trusted the company could repay a major loan within a week, and didn't question the source of a $100 million repayment.

Fortress Credit Corporation chief David Kelleher on Thursday continued his evidence into the company's 2008 failure.

Previously known as MFS, it collapsed owing about $2 billion to creditors, including Fortress.
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Lawyer for the liquidators Kylie Downes on Thursday used hearings in the Brisbane Magistrates Court to focus on a Fortress loan to one of the companies in the Octaviar group known as Castle.

It was extended twice before it was repaid in February 2008, from the proceeds of the sale of Octaviar's Stella travel business.

Fortress itself had previously considered buying Stella and analysed its value after debts, but did not proceed.

MFS sold 65 per cent of the business for about $400 million in February 2008 to private equity firm CVC Asia Pacific.

Mr Kelleher said he was not concerned when Octaviar decided to defer the sale of Stella - its first option to repay the Castle loan - until after December 2007.

He was aware Octaviar had "ongoing dialogue" about finance with bank lenders and believed assurances that it could raise the capital to meet its repayments within a week if pushed.

"They can access the capital markets in that sort of timeframe," he told the court in Brisbane.

"We knew they had done raising on the market earlier in the year so we knew they were capable of doing it."

In December 2007, Fortress decided not to extend the loan again, and sought a $100 million repayment instead.

"$25 million was not a significant enough payment in our minds," he said.

"We had underling facilities ourselves in our business that required repayment."

Mr Kelleher said he wasn't worried about the source of the funds at the time, and later found out they had come from Challenger Financial.

He was also questioned about another loan for Octaviar to acquire a retirement project known as Young Villages Estate.

The $53.5 million transaction was closely followed by the January 2008 capital raising plan by MFS founder Michael King that was poorly received by shareholders.

Shares plunged from above $3 to 99 cents in response.

Mr Kelleher said he did worry about that, but still had no concerns about Octaviar's ability to service its loans.

The inquiry, aimed at finding out exactly when Octaviar became insolvent, is set to continue next year, with Fortress witnesses set to face more questions in February.

AAP

Frankly this beggars belief - a major international financer lends $250mill and was confidant that Octaviar could repay the loan at short notice even after the share price dives to 99 cents! And this is after yesterdays admission that a junior staffer without formal training did the due dilligence on the loan. What a load of cods wallop!! Just a case of tying to frustrate the liquidators attempts to fix an insolvency date that might require Fortress to give back the $250 mill it is holding in escrow.
 
Seamisty > More on Mr Kwei > misplaced faith in these guys?

Via "Perth Now" 15 Dec

A FINANCE analyst has revealed the "ad hoc'' nature of due diligence done on collapsed Gold Coast property group Octaviar.

Fortress Credit's Mark Kwei on Wednesday told an inquiry into the collapse that he alone did the due diligence work on Octaviar's loans.

The investigation is trying to get to the bottom of when Octaviar, formerly known as MFS, became insolvent.

Mr Kwei said he received feedback on his work on an ``ad hoc basis'', and that when he first looked into Octaviar's finances in 2006 he determined it was ``a strong company''.

Mr Kwei said he didn't ask where Octaviar got the money to repay Fortress $100 million in 2007, but later found out it was from Challenger Financial Group.
Full story: http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/octaviar-due-diligence-ad-hoc/story-e6frg2ru-1225971662548


Courtesy of "John" (AG member)
 
marcom

The Smart Money. Very well resourced people who know the system better than the transient and overloaded politicians and compartmentalised and overloaded bureaucrats and judiciary. They are intimately familiar with the gulf between legislative ambition and commercial/judicial reality. Probably even nudging it wider whenever they can.

Baiting and shorting MFS/Octaviar would have been a walk in the park for anyone who could be bothered taking the risk.

So marcom, while the comments by the individuals from Fortress cause you to beggar belief. For me they just cause me to sigh. IMO it's highly possible that Fortress has done nothing illegal nor been incompetant. Their comments point to the possibility that they just sailed through that gulf. Baiting MFS/Octaviar and then feasting off the carcass by short selling. This is this principle behind short selling, culling poor Boards & Exec to reduce the further misallocation of resources so that good companies can grow sooner, in action. They are the free market's hyenas: removing the weak to make room for the strong.

If so, then the end for MFS/Octaviar was in mid 2007 when under Peacock/King, it signed up with Fortress. If MFS/Octaviar was strong, they would have made it. But Fortress wouldn't have been concerned about MFS/OCVs strength because, I understand, it's perfectly legal for a creditor to short sell the company. It's called hedging.

If Fortress did short sell MFS/OCV, then all they did was hand Peacock/King the rope to hang the company. Fortress didn't force Peacock/King to sign the loan facility agreement.

When will be I rid of conceited governments and bureaucrats that oversell their capabilities. I'm sick and tired of this democracy being used against me by the smart money.
 
Duped. you are spot on with your assessment of the tactics used by Fortressand others

The salient point you make is "If so, then the end for MFS/Octaviar was in mid 2007 when under Peacock/King, it signed up with Fortress." And this is why the liquidator will continue to grill Fortress into the new year. Looks like they have settled on a mid-2007 insolvency date as this significantly broadens the range of transactions that will fall into the liquidators web. The liquidator has all but defused any come back by KPMG based on Mitch Craig's evidence and the fact he no longer works for KPMG means he is less likely to be influenced by them. And in relation to Fortress the liquidators starting point was in evidence from "Mr Kwei said that he alone did the due diligence work on Octaviar's loans and was given no specific training on due diligence when he joined Fortress in 2006". Fortress Director David Kelleher has tried to retrieve the situation but I am sure the liquidator will eventually wear him down to. The end result should be an insolvency date of mid-2007 with evidence from both Fortress and the auditor indicating they both missed the vital signs, and this hopefully should pave the way for liquidators court recovery actions relatively free of complicating litigation.

And if a creditor or preferential transaction entity tries to frustrate such litigation they would best remember that the Liquidator has in excess of a $140m kitty to fight with and more importantly Bentleys has all the MFS/Octaviar records and this is a real advantage in litigation.
 
Marcom. Sorry but I don't hold as much hope. The High Court Octaviar made no mention of what to me was a clear case of estoppel. The High Court wouldn't make the step it could so easily and fairly have made.

There is a big difference between Fortress (A) not knowing if OVC could pay and (B) Fortress knowing that OCV couldn't pay. We currently only have (A). My gut feeling is that the High Court would be even less likely to take the step of deciding that (A) justifies ruling (B).

And Korda's testimony suggests to me that the logic behind 'solvency' is a morass of logic that is far removed from what regular citizens like you and me would consider. It's hard to tell how much weight a court would give each bit of logic. (Just the way the legal profession likes it.)

I see this testimony so far from Fortress as 'not bad news' rather than 'good news'.
 
Well done Wellington Capital!! True to your usual style of sticking your head up your AXXX and trying to hide when you failed in your committment as usual you just post an announcement to say you are knocking off for Xmas. Well I hope you have a long hard think as to how many people hold you with growing contempt as you continue to demonstrate your incompetence and indifference to the thousands of peoples lives you continue to ruin because your ego cannot cope with the truth of your failure!!!

Business Update
Wellington Capital Limited as responsible entity of the Premium Income Fund advises that its offices,
including the Wellington Hotline, will close for the holiday season from 4.00pm (AEST) on Thursday
23 December 2010, until 9.30am (AEST) Monday 10 January 2011.
Any urgent queries in relation to the Premium Income Fund should be directed to
investorrelations@newpif.com.au.


I hope you choke on a turkey bone and a bon bon explodes in your face.

Seamisty
 
I would like to thank the many long suffering PIF investors who have followed and supported this thread throughout our ordeal. Your patience and contributions for so long is to be commended. I would like to thank the moderators and owners of aussie stock for making it possible for us all to have this important line of communication as I feel it will be a vital contact point for future PIF investors concerns and actions.

I wish you all the best for the forth coming year. Merry Xmas, good health and hopefully a better outlook for our Fund.:xmastree:bier: Cheers, Seamisty
 
I would like to thank the many long suffering PIF investors who have followed and supported this thread throughout our ordeal. Your patience and contributions for so long is to be commended. I would like to thank the moderators and owners of aussie stock for making it possible for us all to have this important line of communication as I feel it will be a vital contact point for future PIF investors concerns and actions.

I wish you all the best for the forth coming year. Merry Xmas, good health and hopefully a better outlook for our Fund.:xmastree:bier: Cheers, Seamisty

Hear, hear! Thanks, Seamisty for always being on the ball. Your regular contributions help to keep us alert regarding PIF matters which might have been missed otherwise. Also, a vote of thanks to the committed AG. Let's all wish for a better year under the present RE.

Season's greetings to all fellow victims of circumstance!

selciper
 
Merry Christmas and Happy New year to all the contributors and readers of this forum.
Keep up the good work guys, reading this forum is the only way to find out what the hells going on with the fund.
 
Hear, hear! Thanks, Seamisty for always being on the ball. Your regular contributions help to keep us alert regarding PIF matters which might have been missed otherwise. Also, a vote of thanks to the committed AG. Let's all wish for a better year under the present RE.

Season's greetings to all fellow victims of circumstance!

selciper

Yes happy holidays to fellow victims of circumstance.. not to mention greed, dishonesty & cunning!

And a big thank you to all the posters who keep us informed with their research & scrutinising.

Here's hoping next year will see some accountability for the now widespreadly known common thieves' shameless actions. Shame on them!

I'm with Seamisty on the turkey bone choke & the bonbon taking out an eye or two.

And here's hoping, 2011 brings great things to the honest folk, with integrity, in this world, and a nice Xmas dinner behind bars for those who wear red coats & blatantly promise lies through their teeth to fellow human beings, already suffering, for personal gain. Can 2011 please bring some overdue karma!!!
 
Believe it or not ASIC MAY be about to take action against the banks involved in the Storm fiasco:

ASIC readies legal action over Storm: report
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-report-pd20101222-CCQZ5?OpenDocument&src=hp4

Published 7:32 AM, 22 Dec 2010 Business Spectator

The corporate watchdog is preparing to launch legal action against lenders Commonwealth Bank of Australia Ltd, Macquarie Group Ltd and Bank of Queensland Ltd after talks on a deal over the collapse of Storm Financial broke down, according to The Australian Financial Review newspaper.

According to the report, the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC) is expected to issue proceedings against the banks to recover penalties against Storm founders Emmanuel and Julie Cassimatis.

An ASIC deadline for the banks to settle up to $300 million in claims from Storm investors passed last week. According to the report, the regulator's action will claim the banks helped Storm run an unregistered investment scheme....
 
With best season's wishes to all.
Big thanks for this thread as the only information channel for us to follow.
Looking forward to 2011 as the start of better news for us.
Cheers,
 
SUPREME AND DISTRICT COURTS BRISBANE

LAW LIST

Thursday 23 December 2010

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APPLICATIONS TO COURT
RE: OCTAVIAR LIMITED


10:00 AM
 
SUPREME AND DISTRICT COURTS BRISBANE

LAW LIST

Thursday 23 December 2010

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APPLICATIONS TO COURT
RE: OCTAVIAR LIMITED


10:00 AM

Good day Seamisty,
Could these applications have anything to do with sealed court orders of 4 August this year? Regards,
 
Good day Seamisty,
Could these applications have anything to do with sealed court orders of 4 August this year? Regards,
Sorry simgrund, I have no idea what they relate to. Not surprised either that the media did not report more on the ongoing OCV/MFS saga along with the Chris Scott, Jenny Hutson S8 travel rip off/fraud connection after Chris Scott
admitted to failing to ensure that Driftcove disclosed fees and charges to unit owners in the building on more than 2800 occasions.The action against Driftcove was dropped after the company, now controlled by Mantra Group, paid compensation of more than $25,000 to 83 Phoenician apartment owners and a further $215,000 in costs to the OFT I suspect G8 Education will now be under intense scrutiny::

'Mr Scott, who is now forging a successful career in the childcare sector through the listed G8 Education, also has agreed to a life ban from obtaining a licence under Queensland's Property Agents & Motor Dealers Act or from becoming an executive of a company with such a licence.


Mr Scott declined to comment on the matter yesterday, but it is believed the judgment will have no bearing on his current business interests.'

I guess Mr Scott lives in hope that his past fraudulent activities will have no impact on his new empire G8 education building exercise along with his long time business partner Jenny Hutson. HMNN, birds of a feather?


'There are three things in the world that deserve no mercy, hypocrisy, fraud, and tyranny.
Frederick William Robertson '


Seamisty
 
Seamisty and simgrund, the Brisbane Supreme Court applications re Octaviar would be the Liquidator getting court approval to take certain actions in relation to Octaviar assets. The previous liquidators Delloits were also sucessful in getting court approval to be paid back fees. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/qld/QSC/2010/347.html There was one a few months ago in the Federal Court in Sydney that was to get approval for CB Ellis real estate to dispose of Octaviar assets ( I think this was Q Deck etc).
 
Seamisty and simgrund, the Brisbane Supreme Court applications re Octaviar would be the Liquidator getting court approval to take certain actions in relation to Octaviar assets. The previous liquidators Delloits were also sucessful in getting court approval to be paid back fees. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/qld/QSC/2010/347.html There was one a few months ago in the Federal Court in Sydney that was to get approval for CB Ellis real estate to dispose of Octaviar assets ( I think this was Q Deck etc).

Thanks marcom & seamisty,
I guess we will continue to sweat it out, though it would be a nice chrissie present to finally have an amended claim application out in the open.
Have a safe and happy time into next year.
Regards,
 
I'll add my heartfelt thanks to all the contributors to this thread and to the great work done by the PIF Action Group. WC treats us like mushrooms; so it's wonderful to be able to log on to this thread and see that my husband and I are not alone...that others are constantly probing and researching to provide more information to all of us.

Merry Christmas to you all and best wishes for a very healthy (and prosperous) Happy New Year.

As Tiny Tim said in Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol: "God bless us everyone!"

Cookie
 
Here is one survivor of the MFS wreck:

Coast's Smith rides luxury wave

Nick Nichols, business editor GC Bulletin | December 29th, 2010

Former Gold Coast businessman Tony Smith. Pic: Wayne Jones

FORMER Gold Coast tourism and internet entrepreneur Tony Smith has taken on more than he expected in Bali but he is well prepared for the challenge.

Almost three years after losing $50 million from the collapse of financial services giant MFS, the BreakFree and Roamfree founder is on the verge of opening two luxury resorts in Bali, where he has been living since mid-2009.....

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2010/12/29/279151_gold-coast-business.html
 
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