Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go!

[Timmy]

It is now time for Libs to get real, to stop engaging in self-indulgent whining, moaning, misrepresentation, infighting, backstabbing, and (more) moaning.

Whining that the independents cost the Libs the election, that the 2PP vote favoured the Libs (incorrect as well as irrelevant) is just so much self-indulgent claptrap.

The pundits are saying there will be a new election in 6 to 12 months, so this time wasted in petty crying over spilt milk is too valuable to fritter away. It is time to fix the rot. I know there is a grieving process to work through, but really, let go of the bitterness, with only 6 to 12 months (if that proves to be correct, and lets assume that is the timetable) there is not a moment to be lost.

Let us face facts; Abbott lost a pretty much unloseable election. Anyone with an ounce of nous can figure that out. Check out the pages and pages of comments just on ASF alone. The ALP waste and mismanagement, no confidence in Rudd, the Garrett insulation stuff ups, the schools stuff ups, the stimulus …. And on and on it went.

How could Abbott fail? He needed just a handful of seats in Qld. and NSW, and another seat here or there … OK, so lets look at his performance.

He did well in Qld., as he should have; again, all the pundits were saying that Bligh was on the nose so badly Abbott would easily pick up seats there, and he did. I have 6 seats in Qld. that changed hands from Labour to Liberal/National (happy to be corrected if my numbers are incorrect, accuracy is important).

But his performance in NSW was little short of appalling. The same pundits were saying the Kenneally/Rees/Iemma/dog’s breakfast that is NSW government would easily see Abbott pick up seats there …. But he did atrociously. In NSW Abbott picked up two seats. Just two! That is a dreadful performance, in his home state, no less.

Elsewhere, Abbott picked up one seat in WA, and picked up one seat in the NT. Great.

Abbott lost two seats to Labour in Victoria. Lost seats? Unreal.

So, net, Abbott picked up 8 seats. He won 8 seats in what was really an unloseable election, that is terrible.

And I haven't even mentioned the losses in the senate. Abbott lost more seats in the Senate than any other party!

The sooner these facts are recognized the better. There really is no time to lose. If there is an election in 6 to 12 months time and Abbott is leading, the coalition risks losing 3 elections a row.

Numbers dont lie, people.
It is time to face facts, time to harden the you-know-what up people, this loser has to go before he does any more damage.

 

[sails]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

lol Timmy - now I see why you sent one of my posts with a political bias that obviously didn't suit your own into cyber oblivion!

You seem to be quite bitter to the Coalition starting new threads with anti Coalition titles. There are plenty of political threads where you could post your views, but to start new threads to bag the coalition seems a bit over the top.

Coalition are now in opposition - so why this animosity to Abbott when he did the unthinkable to get the Coalition so close to a win?
Sure he has faults and not everyone likes him. Same for Gillard.

Gillard managed to lose something like 18 seats and picked up 2 new ones. Why aren't you after her head?

I have taken a copy of this post and request that you do not use your moderator powers to delete it. If you are going to post such inflammatory threads/posts, you need to take what comes back.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

Oh dear sails - when you over the bitterness and paranoia and ready to make some positive suggestions, please contribute to this thread.

Just for the record, I have never deleted any posts of yours. Never. None.
I have moved one across to a more appropriate thread, thats it.

I realise you are grieving, so will leave it at that.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

Apologies to all for being the bearer of bad news facts on Abbott's performance.

Shooting the messenger has never been productive.

 

[Mofra]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

Now Timmy - apparently Treasury, the entire global media, the ABC (especially Kerry O'Brien - red hair like Gillard, coincidence? Hardly), the Greens, boat people and Mrs Johnson down at the milkbar are part of a giant marxist conspiracy that threatens our way of life and we will all be wearing Kaftans by the end of December.

I can't believe they got to you too

 

[Timmy]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

Trying to stay away from the hysteria and just focus on the data and facts, here is a table showing the seats that changed hands. The margins all show 0%, these are apparently to be added once counting is complete.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_2010
The source is Wikipedia, so if there are any factual errors I would appreciate any correction. The purpose of the thread is to try to address the facts of the performance and hopefully generate some sensible discussion on what can be done to get the coalition across the line next time (obviously I favour getting rid of Abbott), and not just be content with making excuses for losing.

Mofra - just saw your post, love it

 

[sails]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

Oh dear sails - when you over the bitterness and paranoia and ready to make some positive suggestions, please contribute to this thread.

Just for the record, I have never deleted any posts of yours. Never. None.
I have moved one across to a more appropriate thread, thats it.

I realise you are grieving, so will leave it at that.

No, not grieving, just don't understand why you have started two new threads today that are anti Coalition. So can we all go wild now and start new political threads with slogans of our choice?

Also, the post you moved to a more "appropriate" thread was a bit strange. You started a new thread with my post which wasn't what I wanted at all. If you had simply PM'd me and let me know you had removed the political content, I would have been fine with that and then left the remainder of the post in the thread where it originally belonged.

 

[noco]

It is now time for Libs to get real, to stop engaging in self-indulgent whining, moaning, misrepresentation, infighting, backstabbing, and (more) moaning.

Whining that the independents cost the Libs the election, that the 2PP vote favoured the Libs (incorrect as well as irrelevant) is just so much self-indulgent claptrap.

The pundits are saying there will be a new election in 6 to 12 months, so this time wasted in petty crying over spilt milk is too valuable to fritter away. It is time to fix the rot. I know there is a grieving process to work through, but really, let go of the bitterness, with only 6 to 12 months (if that proves to be correct, and lets assume that is the timetable) there is not a moment to be lost.

Let us face facts; Abbott lost a pretty much unloseable election. Anyone with an ounce of nous can figure that out. Check out the pages and pages of comments just on ASF alone. The ALP waste and mismanagement, no confidence in Rudd, the Garrett insulation stuff ups, the schools stuff ups, the stimulus …. And on and on it went.

How could Abbott fail? He needed just a handful of seats in Qld. and NSW, and another seat here or there … OK, so lets look at his performance.

He did well in Qld., as he should have; again, all the pundits were saying that Bligh was on the nose so badly Abbott would easily pick up seats there, and he did. I have 6 seats in Qld. that changed hands from Labour to Liberal/National (happy to be corrected if my numbers are incorrect, accuracy is important).

But his performance in NSW was little short of appalling. The same pundits were saying the Kenneally/Rees/Iemma/dog’s breakfast that is NSW government would easily see Abbott pick up seats there …. But he did atrociously. In NSW Abbott picked up two seats. Just two! That is a dreadful performance, in his home state, no less.

Elsewhere, Abbott picked up one seat in WA, and picked up one seat in the NT. Great.

Abbott lost two seats to Labour in Victoria. Lost seats? Unreal.

So, net, Abbott picked up 8 seats. He won 8 seats in what was really an unloseable election, that is terrible.

And I haven't even mentioned the losses in the senate. Abbott lost more seats in the Senate than any other party!

The sooner these facts are recognized the better. There really is no time to lose. If there is an election in 6 to 12 months time and Abbott is leading, the coalition risks losing 3 elections a row.

Numbers dont lie, people.
It is time to face facts, time to harden the you-know-what up people, this loser has to go before he does any more damage.

Stop romancing with yourself Timmy, you are getting really carried away.

 

[Timmy]

Re: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go.

No, not grieving, just don't understand why you have started two new threads today that are anti Coalition.

None of my threads are anti-coalition. Just data, facts, sourced information, and opinion built thereon. And positive suggestions to stop making excuses for losing and to improve the chances of a win. There really is no time to lose in these petty recriminations.

So can we all go wild now and start new political threads with slogans of our choice?

You will have a LOT of catching up to do.
I did a search:
Threads with "Rudd" in the title: 41
Threads with "Gillard" in the title: 8
Threads with "Abbott" in the title: 6

Makes you think ...?

Anyway, I look forward to you berating anyone who starts a new political thread from now on.

 

[nioka]

The fact is the Libs chose ABBOTT and by the look of it they will stick by him.

However the Nats did not have a say in choosing him and thats the problem. I believe that the Nats, when in opposition should not be in a coalition. Abbott has no time for the wishes of the country residents as do many of the Libs. That is why there are independants in the first place. That is why the Labor is able to score so good in many country electorates.

So leave Abbott alone, just get the Nats to have the courage of their own convictions.

 

[Timmy]

Stop romancing with yourself Timmy, you are getting really carried away.

Maybe you are right noco, maybe nothing can be done to be rid of this loser until he loses again. Maybe that's what it will take to open up some eyes and minds?

 

[sails]

Timmy, the two threads you have started today seem quite contradictory.

First one was: Lib/Nat backstabbers
Second one: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go!

So on one hand you are accusing them of back stabbing and the very next thread you are calling for Abbott to be stabbed...

Most of the more popular political threads have been a little more benign in their headings such as "..... as PM" or "Does ... inspire confidence".

 

[Timmy]

Timmy, the two threads you have started today seem quite contradictory.

First one was: Lib/Nat backstabbers
Second one: Lib/Nats: Stop the rot, Abbott must go!

So on one hand you are accusing them of back stabbing and the very next thread you are calling for Abbott to be stabbed...

Oh dear sails. You seem determined to misrepresent my words. Or maybe you just don't understand the written word? I too am confused.

Let me re-iterate, from the "Lib/Nat backstabbers" thread:

So, the knives are out. Good thing, too.

Is that clear?
Let me repeat, again "Good thing, too"

Yes, I think getting rid of Abbott is a good thing.

No contradiction.

Is that clear enough?

 

[trainspotter]

Yes, I think getting rid of Abbott is a good thing.

No contradiction.

Is that clear enough?

Roger roger loud and clear.

But replace him with who? "Ironman" Tony Abbott out to be replaced by "Death Stare" Julie Bishop or good old "Sloppy" Joe Hockey or what about "Quitter" Malcolm Turnbull ....... wait a minute I know ....... "Queer as folk" Barnaby Joyce ??

HUH ..... who do we replace him with? 2 bushy eyebrows and a drovers dog?

David Johnston perhaps? Afterall he was Minister for Justice and Customs in the Howard Government.

 

[sails]

Oh dear, dear Timmy, so who do you suggest should replace Abbott? Not that I expect a sensible reply...lol

Or are you hoping the Coalition will now simply self destruct?

Turnball seems to be more labor than liberal in his views, so don't suggest him.
Can't have a leader crossing the floor.

Haha trainspotter, you beat me to it...

 

[Timmy]

But replace him with who?

HUH ..... who do we replace him with? 2 bushy eyebrows and a drovers dog?

A good question. Who indeed?

I fear the drover's dog has left in disgust, knowing he would have walked it in on August 21.

 

[Timmy]

Oh dear, dear Timmy, so who do you suggest should replace Abbott? Not that I expect a sensible reply...lol

Thank-you sails.
Good question, and you are right, no sensible suggestions from me.
Any thoughts from the collective or is Abbott the most we can expect (shudder)?
Surely there is some competent leadership material in the ranks?

Nioka - thanks for the input, a useful perspective indeed.

 

[trainspotter]

Kevin Andrews has the experience. Current Shadow Minister for Families, Housing and Human Services. From 2001 to 2003 he was Minister for Ageing in the Howard Government. He also served as Employment and Workplace Relations and Minister for Immigration and Citizenship.

Safe seat of Menzies since 1991.

Anyone suggests Christopher Pyne I will have you taken outside and flailed with a cricket bat full of nails. Smug little twat of a man that he is.

 

[sails]

Thank-you sails.
Good question, and you are right, no sensible suggestions from me.
Any thoughts or is Abbott the most we can expect (shudder)?
Surely there is some competent leadership material in the ranks?

So why start a new thread to say he has to go when there is no replacement at this stage?

And I shudder at the thought of Gillard.

Just differing opinions. I assume I have a few years more in experience than you and have had the opportunity to see both sides of governments in action over a longer period of time. Personally, I feel safer with the conservatives and acknowledge they are not perfect.

I have no problem in sharing different view points, but feel the new threads you have posted today are somewhat inflamatory to those who share a different view.

 

[Timmy]

I have no problem in sharing different view points, but feel the new threads you have posted today are somewhat inflamatory to those who share a different view.

I see the true Lib believers wallowing in self-indulgent excuses, not making any progress, and wonder when does it stop, with time so short?

To try to shake the complacency, I post threads with inflammatory titles, yes. I hope my opening post, in this thread particularly, has substance and jolts some discussion on what I believe needs to be done. Arrogant? Probably, maybe definitely. So be it.

Alternative views welcome, as always. Constructive is good.