2010 Federal Election

[Calliope]

The contribution from W.A major mining super profitable ventures will help reimburse the rest of Australia for stumping up the initial capital for infrastructure that enable W.A to be developed in the first place.

Victoria. South Australia and Tasmania are the dependent states and rely on WA and Qld. to keep them solvent. They are the handout states, and that is why they came out so solidly for the Labor/Greens knowing they will heavily tax the miners to keep the handouts coming.

 

[Calliope]

It looks pretty certain we are going to get a Green/Labor government. The first bit of legislation will be to legalise same-sex marriage. If that's what they want, let them have it. The gays I know say it is not all it's cracked up to be. Some like to play the field.

As long as they don't make it compulsory. Although their numbers are dwindling there are still a lot of heterosexuals who believe in good old fashioned marriage between men and women.

 

[sails]

It looks pretty certain we are going to get a Green/Labor government. The first bit of legislation will be to legalise same-sex marriage....

I doubt that Fielding will let that one through the senate so it will probably depend on how other conservative senators vote. They might have to wait another ten months...

 

[springhill]

No offense but I believe your post would be more appropriate in the drunken rant thread.

None taken nulla, it belongs in both threads IMO. It still had valid points.

Sounds good to me, rave away Springhill. Thankfully, next March, the tragic NSW Labor govt will be shown the door.

The Greens won't be budged as easily as the Democrats. They might seem flaky, but politically they are rat cunning. To me the issue is more - will the party outlive Bob Brown? They are frantically auditioning clones of Brown all over the place.

I shall continue to do so , look for more next friday.
You do have a point on the Greens being cunning, but sooner or later they will get too smart for their own good.

Whoooooaaaa there Big Boy. Not quite accurate.

Treasure Island: 130 k's off the north western Australian coast, the largest single resource project in Australia's history is now underway. From the seabed surrounding Barrow Island, 40 trillion cubic feet of gas, equivalent to 6.7 billion barrels of oil will be extracted and processed, most of it already pre-sold for export as liquid natural gas. The goldmine of Gorgon alone will bolster Australia's GDP by around $64 billion. (GST is applicable to all of this BTW as well as the PRRT)

NEW West Australian Nationals MP Tony Crook has met Tony Abbott to demand a "fairer" carve-up of GST funding for his state.

Nice work there TS, spot on!

Victoria. South Australia and Tasmania are the dependent states and rely on WA and Qld. to keep them solvent. They are the handout states, and that is why they came out so solidly for the Labor/Greens knowing they will heavily tax the miners to keep the handouts coming.

If you were a dinosaur mate, you'd be a Correctosaurus

 

[robusta]

Victoria. South Australia and Tasmania are the dependent states and rely on WA and Qld. to keep them solvent. They are the handout states, and that is why they came out so solidly for the Labor/Greens knowing they will heavily tax the miners to keep the handouts coming.

Here we get back to the 2 speed economy. How will all of the non mining sectors go if the projected mining boom causes the Reserve Bank to jack up interest rates to keep a lid on inflation?
I think this is a issue for NSW, Vic, Tas and Sa.
Just not sure we want to put mining industry to sleep - maybe a valium or nice cup of herbal tea would do the trick.

 

[Julia]

So let Joolya have the worry. With a double dip recession expected next year, where will she get more money for a new stimulas package?

You can't seriously be wondering about this, noco? They'd just borrow more, of course. No worries. Toss it around, do anything as long as it saves their political skin in terms of unemployment numbers.

'Denier' is offensive, it evokes an earlier usage: holocaust deniers, a truly extremist right wing element. This is toxic leftist propaganda of the worst kind, and especially insensitive to Jewish people.

Exactly right, and why it was so utterly offensive when applied to people who were doubtful about what eventually has turned out to be dodgy science in the climate change debate. It holds a clear inference that anyone holding a different view from the person commenting is stupid.

The Greens won't be budged as easily as the Democrats. They might seem flaky, but politically they are rat cunning.

Agree, The Democrats always retained some objectivity, the capacity to see a different points of view. Not so the crazy Greens. Their dominance will do immeasurable harm. We can only hope the government (assuming Labor is returned) and the opposition will vote together where it matters, and render the damn Greens irrelevant.
Ms Gillard has probably not thought through all the potential ramifications of her deal with these nuts in her desperation for her personal political survival.

Deniers of political reality.

While to there credit, some of the ASF right have expressed there concerns about the continual lack of political credibility displayed by the coalition...others (gang of 4) have not, i think its fair to say that the vast majority of the ASF right fall into the deniers category because they support the coalition in there denials....for example.

Little Johnny had to go, the tide had turned and his use by date had well and truly passed...and yet the required tap on the shoulder simply didn't come, and thus Costello's political potential was never exercised....denial of political reality.

I'd bet my last dollar that if you gave the population the option of going back and repeating their 2007 vote, they'd now vote to have John Howard still running the country. Minus workchoices.
Labor has been a gigantic mistake.

Sadly, the current line-up on the opposition benches are not up to much either.

 

[explod]

The discussions on this thread has scant to do with the election, its all about miserable views on political philosophies of the good old days. Well those days have gone folks, we need to deal with a totally new paradigm.

You are way off topic.

"Commorn" as Hewit would say and give me the numbers on the election.


And who says global warming science is dodgey. Even if it is a little bit we need to deal with the fact that it may not be and that is the concern now of a lot of people, misguided or not, its the reality of the now. ouch off topic

 

[wayneL]

The discussions on this thread has scant to do with the election, its all about miserable views on political philosophies of the good old days. Well those days have gone folks, we need to deal with a totally new paradigm.

Yes, a paradigm of hidden Marxists and naive deceived muppets voting for them.

And who says global warming science is dodgey.

In toto, the science says IPCC/Gorist/Hansonist alarmism is dodgy. Their cherrypicked and compromised data should not be considered as science.

 

[explod]

Yes, a paradigm of hidden Marxists and naive deceived muppets voting for them.





In toto, the science says IPCC/Gorist/Hansonist alarmism is dodgy. Their cherrypicked and compromised data should not be considered as science.

You should check out Marx and Engels writings waynel, your obvious bias would get in the way of understanding though. China making so many widgets now they are running out of customers. Like massive US dollars, nobody wants em anymore. Marx; spot on.

Dodgy the climate stuff maybe pal but this is where we are at with the sentiment.

And both way off topic too ole pal, give me the numbers.

 

[wayneL]

You should check out Marx and Engels writings waynel, your obvious bias would get in the way of understanding though.

Explod, re bias:

Every human is biased, however only some understand that they themselves are biased. The unintelligent don't realize this, all the while accusing others of the same. In so doing, they delude themselves that they have delivered some sort of intellectual uppercut.

However, they appear fools as their own hypocrisy escapes their notice.

In your post I'm not sure of your point due to lack of clarity.

Are you:

1/ Denying that the Greens are in fact Marxists, or

2/ Admitting they are Marxists but accuse me of not understanding their virtue?

Next question - Are you biased?

 

[noco]

You can't seriously be wondering about this, noco? They'd just borrow more, of course. No worries. Toss it around, do anything as long as it saves their political skin in terms of unemployment numbers.


Well Julia, I look at like this- Joolya may only get one over the line because I believe Katter will go Coalition, so it would be 76-74 in her favor.

Now without the control of the Senate untill 01/07/2011, with the help of the Greens, there is not a lot Gillard can do in the meantime. She also has to face the fact that any one or maybe two of the independants could reject any legislation which she may be coerced into by the Greens.

If there happens to be a double dip recession, expected around April 2011, the Labor party will only dig a bigger hole for itself. Also given the fact that Arch Bevis states Kevin Rudd will resign in 6 months, a bi-election will result. My guess is with the turmoil and blood letting about to take place in the Labor Party, further resignation will occur and more bi-elections.

Although she says she will go the full term of 3 years, IMHO, parliament will become so disfunctional that they will have no alternative but to go to the GG for another election and if that happens, the Green Labor coalition will be decimated. The true colours of the Greens are now becoming more apparent each day and those who voted for the Greens in 2010 as a protest may will change their minds next time.

Now Julia, I would not like to see Tony Abbott go through what Gillard is about to enter, so I believe it will be a good one to lose for Abbott.

 

[explod]

Explod, re bias:

Every human is biased, however only some understand that they themselves are biased. The unintelligent don't realize this, all the while accusing others of the same. In so doing, they delude themselves that they have delivered some sort of intellectual uppercut.

However, they appear fools as their own hypocrisy escapes their notice.

In your post I'm not sure of your point due to lack of clarity.

Are you:

1/ Denying that the Greens are in fact Marxists, or

2/ Admitting they are Marxists but accuse me of not understanding their virtue?

Next question - Are you biased?

Yes waynel, I am biased.

We all want this election to go towards meeting our individual hopes, needs and desires for a better future.

However our question is beyond and off topic in this thread. Any answer, if it can be found, that can be settled between and to the satisfaction of the different parties/perspectives involved is probably improbable.

Because such a question ought to be tackled and resolved within each individual context, or if you like, within its intrinsic seperate human layers, then the defining of sentiment, judgement, control and bias as it may effect investing or trading, then perhaps we should meet in a more appropriate thread for that purpose.

As my superior on this forum wayneL, I seek your lead.

 

[noco]

You can't seriously be wondering about this, noco? They'd just borrow more, of course. No worries. Toss it around, do anything as long as it saves their political skin in terms of unemployment numbers.


Well Julia, I look at like this- Joolya may only get one over the line because I believe Katter will go Coalition, so it would be 76-74 in her favor.

Now without the control of the Senate untill 01/07/2011, with the help of the Greens, there is not a lot Gillard can do in the meantime. She also has to face the fact that any one or maybe two of the independants could reject any legislation which she may be coerced into by the Greens.

If there happens to be a double dip recession, expected around April 2011, the Labor party will only dig a bigger hole for itself. Also given the fact that Arch Bevis states Kevin Rudd will resign in 6 months, a bi-election will result. My guess is with the turmoil and blood letting about to take place in the Labor Party, further resignation will occur and more bi-elections.

Although she says she will go the full term of 3 years, IMHO, parliament will become so disfunctional that they will have no alternative but to go to the GG for another election and if that happens, the Green Labor coalition will be decimated. The true colours of the Greens are now becoming more apparent each day and those who voted for the Greens in 2010 as a protest may will change their minds next time.

Now Julia, I would not like to see Tony Abbott go through what Gillard is about to enter, so I believe it will be a good one to lose for Abbott.

Julia Gillard's quest for power as explained by the Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-move-for-power/story-e6frg6zo-1225914022561

 

[Julia]

Although she says she will go the full term of 3 years, IMHO, parliament will become so disfunctional that they will have no alternative but to go to the GG for another election and if that happens, the Green Labor coalition will be decimated.

As I understand what I've been reading on this, she has guaranteed not to even leave open the option of a double dissolution election in her commitment to go the full three years. If the results of a Green/Labor/Independent parliament are as we anticipate, this could be horrible beyond belief.

The following is a letter to "The Age" on the subject:

An interesting exploration of the implications. On the matter of a fixed term being given legislative backing, it's unlikely such legislation would be constitutional if it impinged on the constitutional provision for a double dissolution.

Regarding this being a good time for the Opposition not to become government, I think there are some deeper layers involved , viz a lack of belief by the independents, and likely the wider population after the costings debacle, that the opposition is simply not up to managing government. It's possible this impression will remain in the minds of voters up to the next election.

I just can't help picturing an ongoing situation where Heffernan, Barnaby Joyce et al just can't help themselves taking frequent swipes at the Independents, so put out will they be at what they perceive as the usurping of power that should rightly belong to them. This will further cement in the view of the electorate that an Abbott-led government would be poorly disciplined.

However our question is beyond and off topic in this thread. Any answer, if it can be found, that can be settled between and to the satisfaction of the different parties/perspectives involved is probably improbable.

What? Could you provide a translation please, explod? The above would be a candidate for inclusion in Don Watson's treatise "Weasel Words".

Because such a question ought to be tackled and resolved within each individual context, or if you like, within its intrinsic seperate human layers, then the defining of sentiment, judgement, control and bias as it may effect investing or trading, then perhaps we should meet in a more appropriate thread for that purpose.

Where did you go for your holiday, explod? Did you perhaps suck on some mind altering substances?

 

[Calliope]

Because such a question ought to be tackled and resolved within each individual context, or if you like, within its intrinsic seperate human layers, then the defining of sentiment, judgement, control and bias as it may effect investing or trading, then perhaps we should meet in a more appropriate thread for that purpose.

Talk about gobbledygook!!! :silly::silly::dimbulb::dimbulb:

 

[Calliope]

Getting even or getting revenge is a strong motivating force for politicians. Wilkie has nurtured his hatred of the Liberal party for years, and you could read it in his face, when he showed his true colours, that revenge is sweet.

Tomorrow is the turn for the three Independents. An opportunity to get even with their old National enemies is too good an opportunity to be missed. They will defect as a group to Green/Labor.

It will be interesting to hear their justification for the decision. They will be most anxious to see that the government lasts three years otherwise their leverage is lost. A four seat majority give this a better chance of happening.

Rudd's turn will come later.

 

[robusta]

Getting even or getting revenge is a strong motivating force for politicians. Wilkie has nurtured his hatred of the Liberal party for years, and you could read it in his face, when he showed his true colours, that revenge is sweet.

Tomorrow is the turn for the three Independents. An opportunity to get even with their old National enemies is too good an opportunity to be missed. They will defect as a group to Green/Labor.

It will be interesting to hear their justification for the decision. They will be most anxious to see that the government lasts three years otherwise their leverage is lost. A four seat majority give this a better chance of happening.

Rudd's turn will come later.

Wish I got onto Centre Bet 2 weeks ago with this scenario. I think you have hit the nail on the head Calliope

 

[gav]

I was doing a bit of research on Comrade Gillard, and came across this document. It claims that Gillard was charged with treason in 2007, but it was suppressed by the Supreme Court of Victoria. It even contains a photocopy of the charge. Apparently if you are charged with treason you are ineligible to sit as senator or a member of the house of reps.

The document is quite long - 57 pages - but this is due to the massive font used. It would probably only be about 10 pages long if a decent font size was used.

http://larryhannigan.com/articles/The_Constitution_and_The_Law_of_Treason.pdf

Does anyone know if there is any truth behind this? Or does this belong in the "Conspiracy Theory" thread?

 

[basilio]

I was doing a bit of research on Comrade Gillard, and came across this document. It claims that Gillard was charged with treason in 2007, but it was suppressed by the Supreme Court of Victoria. It even contains a photocopy of the charge. Apparently if you are charged with treason you are ineligible to sit as senator or a member of the house of reps.

The document is quite long - 57 pages - but this is due to the massive font used. It would probably only be about 10 pages long if a decent font size was used.

http://larryhannigan.com/articles/The_Constitution_and_The_Law_of_Treason.pdf

Does anyone know if there is any truth behind this? Or does this belong in the "Conspiracy Theory" thread?

Very, very good work Comrade Gav. Vith dis excellent brief Ve should be able to send Comrade Gillard to Ziberia az quickly as Comrades Noco, wayne, calliope et al put ze pen to ze paper.

Vell done. It is truly hiumbling to see how de great minds of our time can create zuch a beautiful piece of legal vork..

 

[Julia]

Entitled "Aussie democracy, a tale of Perversion", this from David Penberthy in today's "Sunday Mail" is pretty funny. He's suggested readers can choose their own ending.

Ending One: On Monday September 6, Julia Gillard announces the formation of a Labor Green minority government with the support of Independents Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor.

Gillard dispatches Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese to Tasmania to turn the sod on the construction phase for the very fast train linking Hobart, Tamworth and that little town outside Port Macquarie where they sell tasty mangoes in boxes. At his first weekly fireside meeting with Ms Gillard, deputy prime minister Bob Brown wins approval to turn Kirribilli House into a safe injection room for heroin users.

The national broadband network opens, but only in Tamworth, prompting several members of the NSW government to relocate immediately, declaring they've had an 'absolute gutful' of the slow downloads on pr0n sites at Macquarie Street.

Troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan and redeployed at the front of homes on bin night to make sure everyone rinses the milk cartons before putting them in the recycling. The first gay marriage is conducted on the steps of Parliament House, the national flag replaced with a rainbow coloured ensign as Peter Allen's I Go to Rio blares out on the forecort, with Tim Mathieson giving the happy grooms a complimentary haircut before they tie the knot.


Ending Two: On Monday September 6, Tony Abbott announces the formation of a Coalition minority government with the support of Independents Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor. Despite failing in his bid to offer Andrew Wilkie $1 billion for a new Hobart hospital, Mr Abbott forms government after offering Bob Katter $1B for the banana industry, Rob Oakeshott $1B for the Pacific Highway and Tony Windsor $1B to nip down the shop for a toasted ham sandwich.

The price of sugar reaches $148 kg as Katter demands the reintroduction of tariffs for cane farmers. Unemployment among dentists hits a staggering 87%. The Katter sponsored Quaint Rural Existence Bill 2010 is introduced, forcing all Australians to boil the billy, rstle a jumbuck, hump their swag and do some whittlin' on the front porch at least once a week.



Ending Three: On Monday September 6 Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott announce the formation of a Government of National Unity under the guidance of Independent MP Rob Oakeshott. Under a complex week around time sharing arrangement, Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott will be prime minister for 25 weeks of the year, with Bob Brown looking after the fortnight over Christmas.

Workchoices is reintroduced and then repealed and then brought in again and then scrapped, with agreement ultimately being reached so that workers receive a 17.5 % loading for being kind enough to clock on in the weeks Ms Gillard is prime minister, and then sacked for being low bludgers a week later when Mr Abbott is back in charge.

The boats are turned back, then turned around, then turned back, then welcomed with open arms, prompting frustrated people smugglers to declare that Australia has become so confusing they will take their business elsewhere. Question Time goes for seven hours, is held every day and ends with Rob Oakeshott, in chinos and bare feet, playing "I am, You are, We are Australian" on his guitar.


Ending Four: On Tuesday September 7, the 85% of Australian people who didn't vote for any of the above rubbish join me poolside at the swim-up bar at the Club del Sol, Acapulco, where the stability provided by the Mexican government provides a safe haven for Aussies on the run from this perversion of democracy.

Ay caramba.