2010 Federal Election

[chrisalex]

How come its only the deniers, boat sinkers and in general right wing alarmists that seem to be resentful of the independents.:dunno: what is it that lives in the Psyche of the hard right that makes them so afraid of some independent thinking.

For the the 'right wing alarmists' part of the problem is the holy grail that the ALP is chasing. That wonderful fairyland, the utopia called Socialism.
It's been said before, the mining tax is a sly attempt to nationalise the industry, then the Banks, then any industry that makes a profit. Read the ALP constitution, it's all there in black and white.
[ I wish I knew how to work this stuff]

 

[Some Dude]

Well, it's happened sooner than I expected. A Green Labor Party alliance or coalition; what is the difference? We now have two coalitions.

No one will convince me this deal was not stitched up before the election. Today they just made it formal.

If voters had known this before the election, Labor and the Greens would have been decimated and we would not have a hung parliament we have today. For those who voted Green just as a protest vote,I guess they must now be regretting their actions.

I assume that by decimation, you don't mean 1 in 10 voters? What percentage of voters who voted Green, weren't going to preference ALP, and didn't think there was at least an informal or ideological coalition, do you think would have changed their vote?

 

[IFocus]

Abbott scraped in by one vote (with an abstinance I might add) whilst Gillard had huge numbers and would have won any ballot. Rudd pulled the pin before the party ballot knowing he would have suffered a crushing loss.

Gillard and Abott are the leaders of their respective parties, revisionist history wont change that. If only Costello had the guts Gillard did - we certainly wouldn't have a hung parliament now, that's for sure.

Australia elects the political party and the party elects the leader, the system is not presidential as some seem to think and the media portray.

 

[IFocus]

Below is good reason why Abbott couldn't debate Labor for the way they have handled the economy

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus – he's migrated from the North Pole to enjoy the good life in Australia, working in construction, investing in the mining industry, buying enough stuff to be running down inventories, growing fatter on the biggest rise in national income since 1973 and all this before capital investment really hits its stride this financial year.

The Doomsday brigade that's been so busily talking down the Australian economy should be feeling sheepish

http://www.smh.com.au/business/miracle-economy-defies-the-doomsayers-20100901-14msq.html

 

[Macquack]

Yes Gillard had the backing of the unelected faceless men; the Arbibs, the Howes and Shortens.

The faceless men now have names and faces?

Mark Arbib and Bill Shorten are elected representatives of the Labor Party, so what are you going on about Noco?

 

[noco]

I assume that by decimation, you don't mean 1 in 10 voters? What percentage of voters who voted Green, weren't going to preference ALP, and didn't think there was at least an informal or ideological coalition, do you think would have changed their vote?

The Oxford dictionary defines DECIMATE 'to kill tenth or larger proportion of'.

So yes, 1/10 or more would have made a difference to the outcome of the election.

IMHO, the Labor Party and the Greens have shown their true colours too soon, particularly if we are forced to another election. It also may sway the three or four amigos in their thinking as well. Another tactical blunder by Gillard.

 

[noco]

The faceless men now have names and faces?

Mark Arbib and Bill Shorten are elected representatives of the Labor Party, so what are you going on about Noco?

You don't mention Howes and perhaps other outsiders. The Labor Party Caucas and cabinet knew nothing about it untill it came out in the media. You know that only too well Macquack.

 

[Some Dude]

The Oxford dictionary defines DECIMATE 'to kill tenth or larger proportion of'.

So yes, 1/10 or more would have made a difference to the outcome of the election.

IMHO, the Labor Party and the Greens have shown their true colours too soon, particularly if we are forced to another election. It also may sway the three or four amigos in their thinking as well. Another tactical blunder by Gillard.

Ok, so that means they would have lost how many seats in the house of representatives? How many senate seats?

As to the 3 current independents, we shall see.

 

[noco]

Ok, so that means they would have lost how many seats in the house of representatives? How many senate seats?

As to the 3 current independents, we shall see.

That is hypothetical question you will have to ask the AEC.

I'm going to build a new house shortly so can you tell me how many nails and screws I will require.

 

[Some Dude]

That is hypothetical question you will have to ask the AEC.

I'm going to build a new house shortly so can you tell me how many nails and screws I will require.

And yet you were convinced enough earlier to state that we would not have had a hung parliament.

As for your nail question, sure thing. Tell me how many planks, beams, trusses, etc you will be using and I can give you an estimate. Mathematics and estimation is not that difficult. Although it is harder than making confident sounding emotional statements without needing to think them through.

I sometimes wonder if this is how people make their investment decisions.

 

[noco]

Who is she? I am assuming she has something to do with the Greens? Everytime there is an interview she has this same look of contrition on her face. She is guilty of something I am sure? Either that or she has gas.

She is guilty of having made the deal before the election as I said on a previous post 'she just made it formal today'.

 

[noco]

And yet you were convinced enough earlier to state that we would not have had a hung parliament.

As for your nail question, sure thing. Tell me how many planks, beams, trusses, etc you will be using and I can give you an estimate. Mathematics and estimation is not that difficult. Although it is harder than making confident sounding emotional statements without needing to think them through.

I sometimes wonder if this is how people make their investment decisions.

Yeah but not down to the last nail and screw. You don't seem to get the point!!!!

Mate, I had four business over 18 years and managed one fo 28 years and had been suceesful in all of them. It is a pity some of our so called politicians particularly the hacks that have come through the union movement did not have some business experience. They would go broke if they ran their busness like they try to run our Government.

 

[trainspotter]

And yet you were convinced enough earlier to state that we would not have had a hung parliament.

I sometimes wonder if this is how people make their investment decisions.

I offered a bottle of Vintage Moet to the unwashed masses on exactly this thesis. I predicted a Liberal victory by 4 seats ... NO TAKERS ??

I flip a coin ... you ?

 

[trainspotter]

She is guilty of having made the deal before the election as I said on a previous post 'she just made it formal today'.

Thanks noco .... but who or what is the woman in the dress that I pointed the arrow at? I wanna know? She is a "bonehead" ... interview Bob Brown and she is right behind him with that silly grin !! You can almost see the yellow feathers.

 

[Some Dude]

I offered a bottle of Vintage Moet to the unwashed masses on exactly this thesis. I predicted a Liberal victory by 4 seats ... NO TAKERS ??

I flip a coin ... you ?

I figured the result was to problematic for me to predict so I decided to spread the risk and "invested" some money on the outcome of 24 seats.

At this stage, I'm with you as to the outcome. All hail the inanimate coin!

 

[Some Dude]

Thanks noco .... but who or what is the woman in the dress that I pointed the arrow at? I wanna know? She is a "bonehead" ... interview Bob Brown and she is right behind him with that silly grin !! You can almost see the yellow feathers.

She was also in the group of 4 Greens last week (I think) who before the interview started walked across a garden. Quite ironic, that and the "Penalties Apply" painted on the walkway they were stepping over.

It's Sarah Hanson-Young.

 

[noco]

Who is she? I am assuming she has something to do with the Greens? Everytime there is an interview she has this same look of contrition on her face. She is guilty of something I am sure? Either that or she has gas.

That is Sarah Hanson-Young, one of Browns right hand men, I mean woman.
I tkink she is Brown's enviromental spokes person.

 

[trainspotter]

She was also in the group of 4 Greens last week (I think) who before the interview started walked across a garden. Quite ironic, that and the "Penalties Apply" painted on the walkway they were stepping over. One of those classic photos if you don't like them.

It's Sarah Hanson-Young.

Thanks Some Dude ..... Will do some research now that I have a name to work with. Rummage through her garbage, read her emails, check out her ex-boyfriends, see what kind of car she drives. The normal shake down.

The coin is still in the air BTW .....

Thanks noco .... see above ...... she is too naive to not have a skeleton in her closet for my liking.

 

[Whiskers]

Australia elects the political party and the party elects the leader, the system is not presidential as some seem to think and the media portray.

I was just mentioning that this afternoon in conversation about how our system has got 'mongrelised' and the likely result a similar mongrel.

 

[Julia]

On face value, I agree that tarrifs on overseas produce that compete with our own must be a good thing.

I get annoyed at having to check every label these days to make sure we are not consuming imported rubbish from countries who do not have comply to the same quality standards as our Aussie producers.

Free trade agreements have to go both ways. If Australia were to re-introduce tariffs, we should expect our trading partners to do likewise, restricting our capacity to trade freely.
Mr Katter is talking nonsense.

ANNIE GUEST: Mr Katter also holds strong views on protectionism.

He says deregulation cruelled the banana and dairy industries and didn't always make prices cheaper.

On the campaign trail, he told PM he wants a return to tariffs.

BOB KATTER: Every four days a farmer in this country commits suicide, because we've got no hope of competing. There should be a 15 per cent charge on everything coming into the country.

ANNIE GUEST: But Mr Katter's views have been rejected by the National Farmers Federation.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s2993407.htm

This is the same nutjob that wants to turn rivers inland and secede FNQ ?

Perhaps someone could explain to Mr Katter that suicide also occurs in the big cities. Every time this bloke opens his mouth, I think again how disastrous he would be in any alliance with the Coalition. He and Barnaby Joyce (with a bit of Warren Truss thrown in) would be at each other perpetually, much to the delight of the media. The Coalition would quickly lose credibility.

Yes Gillard had the backing of the unelected faceless men; the Arbibs, the Howes and Shortens. Rudd pulled the pin with the knife at his back. Come what may, it all back fired on Labor.

Why wern't the voters given the chance to judge Rudd who was the elected Prime Minister in 2007? Who knows Rudd may have done better than Gillard.
Too much spin and B##l S##t from both of them.

Um, not quite right, noco. We, the voters, did not vote for Rudd as Prime Minister. He was chosen by the Labor caucus. Therefore they have the right to dispense with him. As they did. Obviously.

Who is she? I am assuming she has something to do with the Greens? Everytime there is an interview she has this same look of contrition on her face. She is guilty of something I am sure? Either that or she has gas.

Ah, the most self righteous Sarah Hansen-Young. She has appeared on Q & A and other TV programs. She epitomises the idealistic young Greens politician - all ideals and rhetoric, coupled with zilch reality.
They have several clones of her.


Back to the agreement of today: I can't help thinking that if any of the independents were vacillating about which party to associate with, this agreement could well tip them toward Labor, purely on the basis of likely stability. Gillard & Co have demonstrated that they will do whatever it takes to remain in power, hence the complete about face on the carbon price, wiping of the community forum etc.
Bob Brown, on the 7.30 Report this evening, was unable to contain his jubilation.
There is little more scary than a zealot who is actually finding his demands met.