Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[todster]

Isn't that jumping to conclusions about Abbott?

Here's an article quoting what Abbott's neighbours think about him.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/el...ht-up-our-street/story-fn5zm695-1225898197721



When it comes to policy, I would think he will have to toe the line with party policy. Turnball lost the leadership when he tried to run with his own ideas on ETS.

Tony has been in politics for a while and should know there is a certain discipline to leadership. If he does start running his own ship, I suspect his days would be numbered as leader.

When Minchin and Nutt dont have there hands up his butt we will see the arrogance and lack of discipline return dont you worry about that as Joh would say!

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Either way is going to provide a good laugh,Abbott unleashed would be something.

But current labor and the potential of the greens to turn this country into a basket weaving country is far worse. It will be hell.

The fiscal recklessness has to be stopped first. Liberal is the solution.

 

[Calliope]

Sails, I'm surprised that you are ignoring the old adage;


Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[sails]

When Minchin and Nutt dont have there hands up his butt we will see the arrogance and lack of discipline return dont you worry about that as Joh would say!

Only time will tell if you are right or just jumping to conclusions.

And, don't forget, Joolya has Swan nipping at her heels (shudder).

Anyway Todster, what do you reckon has happened to deputy PM Swan? Has he fled the country? Being muzzled??? If labor win (shudder), this is the guy who will run the country if Joolya is o/seas and yet he is not actively part of the election campaign? What are Labor trying to hide?

I think the answer is obvious, but willing to hear a different view point...lol

 

[pilots]

The thing that worries me most is if Labor gets in again:the Libs won't want to govern the country after them, as we will be so far in the red, what have we borrowed to date, and at what interest rate is it.

 

[sails]

Sails, I'm surprised that you are ignoring the old adage;


Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

lol Calliope - I see it more as having differing view points rather than an argument. Although, I have let my frustration out at times too.

Sometimes a level headed conversation can do more good than a full scale attack. Once an argument starts, both sides put their defences up and it becomes a waste of words - IMO, of course...

 

[todster]

The thing that worries me most is if Labor gets in again:the Libs won't want to govern the country after them, as we will be so far in the red, what have we borrowed to date, and at what interest rate is it.

I thought you were into borrowing?

 

[todster]

Sails, I'm surprised that you are ignoring the old adage;


Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I fly out this arvo old mate so get your carer to change your nappy and relax
Gone for two weeks no internet ok

 

[pilots]

I thought you were into borrowing?

The last loan we paid off was at 17%, will not need any more loans again.

 

[drsmith]

If you missed the "Insiders" this morning you didn't miss much, The panel was stacked with two Labor supporters and one Abbot critic.

Criticism of the Coalition's costings by one of the panelists was particularly scathing. This was on the basis of lost revenue from ditching the ALP's RRT but still counting tax cuts that flowed from it as savings.

More on costings from the SMH,

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/coalitions-promises-in-search-of-costings-20100805-11kqw.html

 

[Julia]

If you missed the "Insiders" this morning you didn't miss much, The panel was stacked with two Labor supporters and one Abbot critic.

The interview with Gillard by Barrie Cassidy was a farce. He let Gillard run off at the mouth with her usual waffle. You would have thought that after her stage mannered meeting with Rudd yesterday Cassidy could have asked some searching questions. But no, he let her take over the interview.

I don't think I've ever seen a more passive, 'let her say whatever she wants' interview! She just ran off at the mouth about Tony Abbott with no interruption from Barrie Cassidy at all. Unbelievable.

I would like to have known what Cabinet job she offered Rudd. I can't imagine him joining the team without a firm offer.

The saintly Mr Rudd having a personal strategy rather than nobly swallowing his humiliation for the good of the mighty Labor Party? You must be joking, Calliope, and completely maligning the motives of Messiah Rudd.

Seriously, yep it will be Foreign Minister at the very least, perhaps Deputy PM? Move over Mr Swan. Could that happen?

 

[Logique]

Yeah you got to love WA 2 weeks on 1week off 180k a year and practically illiterate imagine what i could earn if i was as smart as you the mind boggles

Two on and one off, would be brutal at my age. I do admire your stamina, but the salary looks ok! Might be wrong but Smelly Terror could be on a similar roster also? Working hard for the country and keeping our miners going. Caught vision of Twiggy in a box at the MCG this weekend, catching the footy.

Anyway feel free to come back on and let off some steam. I don't think think Calliope takes it too personally.

 

[Logique]

Seriously, yep it will be Foreign Minister at the very least, perhaps Deputy PM? Move over Mr Swan. Could that happen?

My tip would be Foreign Minister, playing Downer to Gillard's Howard, in Rudd's mind anyway. Rudd mouldering away in a junior domestic ministry would be too destabilizing for Labor.

 

[Calliope]

Anyway feel free to come back on and let off some steam. I don't think think Calliope takes it too personally.

I agree. No forum would be complete without one or two todsters.

 

[todster]

Two on and one off, would be brutal at my age. I do admire your stamina, but the salary looks ok! Might be wrong but Smelly Terror could be on a similar roster also? Working hard for the country and keeping our miners going. Caught vision of Twiggy in a box at the MCG this weekend, catching the footy.

Anyway feel free to come back on and let off some steam. I don't think think Calliope takes it too personally.

Not real hard you know 13x12 hour shifts then a full week to yourself,no traffic jams,hardest thing is doing your own washing at night,but have been known to sneak home in the shift to do it.
Not too many people work hard at the mine,drillers and co do, but starting to warm up that drains you even bludging lol

 

[IFocus]

Criticism of the Coalition's costings by one of the panelists was particularly scathing. This was on the basis of lost revenue from ditching the ALP's RRT but still counting tax cuts that flowed from it as savings.

More on costings from the SMH,

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/coalitions-promises-in-search-of-costings-20100805-11kqw.html

One panelist pointed out the paid parental leave scheme blowing out to $4 billion and George Megalogenis from the Australian has been pointing out for awhile about the black hole in Liberal savings around $9 billion I believe.



July 29th


"Liberals’ double counting staggers"

OUR first campaign lesson in economic comedy comes from Tony Abbott’s 1.5 per cent cut in the company tax rate.

He is pretending to pay for it by scrapping Labor’s 1 per cent cut to the company tax rate””a double counting exercise that has to be seen to be believed.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com...n/comments/liberals_double_counting_staggers/

 

[drsmith]

George Megalogenis from the Australian has been pointing out for awhile about the black hole in Liberal savings around $9 billion I believe.

Where ?

 

[IFocus]

Where ?

I thought that's what George said on the Insiders?

Try this I think you will understand the numbers better than me.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2010/s2976693.htm

 

[drsmith]

I thought that's what George said on the Insiders?

It was. He is saying the Coalition is claiming savings from scrapped programs linked to the Resources Rent Tax. It adds up provided the Coalition is not spending the proceeds of the RRT itself as obviously, there wouldn't be any.

If the Coalition has identified $24bn in savings, but $9bn is from RRT spending measures, then they have $15bn to spend themselves to balance the books.

Politically, I can understand why the Coalition would claim $24bn over $15bn because the $9bn RRT dependant programs is money the ALP plans to spend. I find it hard to believe though that the Coalition would then make the error of including RRT revenue as part of their own spending. Had they done that, the ALP could have simply torn the Coalition apart instead of tearing themselves apart.

 

[drsmith]

I have quickly added up the Coalition's savings and spending measures from the Liberals website and note the following,

1) Savings (minus programs linked to the RSPT/RRT) ~$14.8bn.
2) Funding from other programs cut and extra taxes ~$14.1bn. This includes $6.1bn in tax raised by the 1.5% corporate profit levy to fund their maternity leave scheme.
3) Cost of their programs ~$20.8bn.

That leaves ~$8.1bn in the kitty. Not all programs are there however with the 1.5% cut to the corporate tax rate in 2013/14 being one example. That will be more than $3.1bn as this is what the 1.5% maternity scheme levy is estimated to raise in the same year.