2010 Federal Election

[Dumdumdumdum]

Now we know The decision who to vote for on the 21st August is now easy. Gillard stands for everthing that is good for hard working Australians going forward.

Abbott stands for everything that is bad for hard working Australians going backward.

Let me guess, someone who earns over 150k a year isn't a 'hard working australian' ?

 

[drsmith]

A balanced article from The Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ser-of-two-evils/story-e6frg6zo-1225892968027

THE stage for the election campaign has been set...... But for voters the choice between the major parties won't be an easy one. Neither side inspires confidence to become custodians of the national interest for the three years ahead.

On the one hand people don't think Tony Abbott is ready to become prime minister, and his team isn't ready to sit confidently around a cabinet table. Even some Liberals think a return to government this year would be too soon.

But after a full term of bungled policy implementation by the Labor government, voters know the incumbents aren't worthy of holding on to office either.

Kinda sums it up really.

 

[So_Cynical]

James

They cant organise FA - Same as the Lib/Nats then...Howard did almost nothing over 10 years.
Look at the mining tax - All sorted
The insulation debacle where 4 died - Action in the courts has been taken against the dodgy installation company's
The asylum seekers where Timor wont agree - Big deal..Nauru is keen
Not to mention the schools where excess money was spent - Stimulus worked
all at a cost to US the tax payers - Pretty sure we are getting a tax cut.

 

[So_Cynical]

Let me guess, someone who earns over 150k a year isn't a 'hard working australian' ?

Unless there a tradie or working in the mines etc...no there not hard working just over paid and well qualified.

 

[Julia]

Look at the mining tax - All sorted

All sorted?? They simply gave in to the big miners and in the process grossly distorted the figures which are only now becoming clear.
The miners, other than BHP, RIO and XStrata are not at all happy so it's definitely not 'all sorted'.

The insulation debacle where 4 died - Action in the courts has been taken against the dodgy installation company's

A bit late for the dead young men, wouldn't you say? Proper supervision of the training process would have prevented this.
And then we have all the hundreds who have rorted the payments. Hardly an appropriate use of taxpayer funds.

Then there's all the rorting in the BER, Ms Gillard's own program.
And in today's paper there is a report of enquiries also being held into the computers in schools program, an investigation by the Auditor-General into a 2.5billion program to set up trade training centres in schools, and a potential audit into the "My School" website.

The auditor also plans to probe the administration of $2bn a year in childcare subsidies to families, as well as the Council of Australian Governments' agreement to provide a preschool place for every Australian child by 2013.

All the audits implicate the sweeping portfolio of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations which Ms Gillard managed before she wrested the prime minister's job from Kevin Rudd last month.

The asylum seekers where Timor wont agree - Big deal..Nauru is keen

Yep, a Howard government initiative.

Not to mention the schools where excess money was spent - Stimulus worked

With huge waste of taxpayer funds, resulting in over-stimulus to the economy and the obvious sequelae that we have seen in several interest rate rises.

The only thing I can think of that the government has got right is the well timed announcement of the government guarantee for the banks at the early stages of the GFC.

 

[Dumdumdumdum]

Unless there a tradie or working in the mines etc...no there not hard working just over paid and well qualified.

yeh..... an analyst putting in 60-80 hour working week isn't working hard is he...

oh yeh i forgot, its not hard unless you are using your hands

 

[Calliope]

Look at the mining tax - All sorted
The insulation debacle where 4 died - Action in the courts has been taken against the dodgy installation company's.
The asylum seekers where Timor wont agree - Big deal..Nauru is keen
Not to mention the schools where excess money was spent - Stimulus worked
all at a cost to US the tax payers - Pretty sure we are getting a tax cut.

I see you have reverted back to So_Gullible.

 

[wade]

Unless there a tradie or working in the mines etc...no there not hard working just over paid and well qualified.

thanks for that ignorant generalisation

 

[noco]

Now we know The decision who to vote for on the 21st August is now easy. Gillard stands for everthing that is good for hard working Australians going forward.

Abbott stands for everything that is bad for hard working Australians going backward.

LOL Calliope, you are being facetious. I think we all know you better than that.

 

[So_Cynical]

yeh..... an analyst putting in 60-80 hour working week isn't working hard is he...

oh yeh i forgot, its not hard unless you are using your hands

Hard work can be painful in my experience, its work that can require personal risk, work that can take you out of your comfort zone...as far as im concerned if your not sweating and or in some kind of discomfort then your not working HARD.

Working long hours doing whatever in a office is never ever hard, im sure it can be demanding in its own way but if you call any type of office work hard then what do you call physical work 500 meters underground in temperatures over 35c ?

 

[Dumdumdumdum]

so essentially what you are saying is that if you aren't sweating you aren't "working hard"?

such a battler's attitude

 

[So_Cynical]

so essentially what you are saying is that if you aren't sweating you aren't "working hard"?

such a battler's attitude

Its a realistic attitude..one that comes from a life of more than 15 different jobs often requiring working outside my comfort zone.

If we divide work into 5 category's of ease, and undergound mining fits into the Hard category...where to you think analysing fits?

• Very easy
• Easy = analysing, anything in a office.
• Moderate
• Hard = under ground mining, extended off shore fishing, roof installation.
• Very hard

 

[explod]

so essentially what you are saying is that if you aren't sweating you aren't "working hard"?

such a battler's attitude

Churchill laid bricks for leasure. Working effects the male ego of protector and provider. Peace of mind gives ballance and time for decisions and ideas to gestate.

 

[Calliope]

I just saw Gillard in her first election commercial. She was so sweet and charming how could anyone not trust her and follow her through thick and thin.

I guess I must be an old cynic. Her saccharine sweet act almost made me throw up.

 

[drsmith]

If we divide work into 5 category's of ease, and undergound mining fits into the Hard category...where to you think analysing fits?

• Very easy
• Easy = analysing, anything in a office.
• Moderate
• Hard = under ground mining, extended off shore fishing, roof installation.
• Very hard

Physical bias in those definitions.

 

[namrog]

Its a realistic attitude..one that comes from a life of more than 15 different jobs often requiring working outside my comfort zone.

If we divide work into 5 category's of ease, and undergound mining fits into the Hard category...where to you think analysing fits?

• Very easy
• Easy = analysing, anything in a office.
• Moderate
• Hard = under ground mining, extended off shore fishing, roof installation.
• Very hard

Dont waste your breath so Cynical, you're probably talking to a lot here who wouldn't have a clue what real work is about, I say real work not necessarily hard work, though hard work does usually equate to real work..
Work that contributes something of benefit to the world, whether by a service , manufacturing, growing produce, designing, planning, building, creating, scientific endeavour, education, medicine etc etc, work that gets things done....
As opposed to paper shufflers and pushers such as those in the financial industrys e.g. accountants, financial planners, annalists, bankers , professional traders, and the likes that use other peoples money and hard work to over pay themselves without having to guarantee anything of benefit to their clients, and certainly nothing or little of value to the world in general....also add in the majority of forum jockeys on ASF, who appear to kick with their right foot, and seem to have all the time in the world to contribute to this type of thread, and actually have the gaul to talk about doing something, anything for the benefit of Australia. It's laughable, because they certainly can't to be doing a lot of real work, they spend so much time in front of the puter..
Say no more...

 

[Julia]

Hard work can be painful in my experience, its work that can require personal risk, work that can take you out of your comfort zone...as far as im concerned if your not sweating and or in some kind of discomfort then your not working HARD.

Working long hours doing whatever in a office is never ever hard, im sure it can be demanding in its own way but if you call any type of office work hard then what do you call physical work 500 meters underground in temperatures over 35c ?

Churchill laid bricks for leasure. Working effects the male ego of protector and provider. Peace of mind gives ballance and time for decisions and ideas to gestate.

So Cynical, your comments above show little understanding of the effects of psychological stress and constant high concentration in a mentally demanding role.

Why do you think so many people turn to hard physical activity as a means of relaxation? Hard physical work/activity burns off stress, anxiety and depression. The nation's gyms are full of such people.

When the person who has engaged in hard physical work for the day finishes, he goes home, probably has a few beers, and doesn't give the job a thought until he clocks on again the next morning. The person working in a highly competitive, mentally demanding job, however, may likely get little sleep because of the anticipation of another stressful day ahead where the smallest lapse in concentration can have major effects.

Explod makes a good point. Repetitive, physical activity, often something as simple as walking or running with its endorphin release can indeed generate new ideas and solutions to problems.

 

[dutchie]

Dont waste your breath so Cynical, you're probably talking to a lot here who wouldn't have a clue what real work is about, I say real work not necessarily hard work, though hard work does usually equate to real work..
Work that contributes something of benefit to the world, whether by a service , manufacturing, growing produce, designing, planning, building, creating, scientific endeavour, education, medicine etc etc, work that gets things done....
As opposed to paper shufflers and pushers such as those in the financial industrys e.g. accountants, financial planners, annalists, bankers , professional traders, and the likes that use other peoples money and hard work to over pay themselves without having to guarantee anything of benefit to their clients, and certainly nothing or little of value to the world in general....also add in the majority of forum jockeys on ASF, who appear to kick with their right foot, and seem to have all the time in the world to contribute to this type of thread, and actually have the gaul to talk about doing something, anything for the benefit of Australia. It's laughable, because they certainly can't to be doing a lot of real work, they spend so much time in front of the puter..
Say no more...

So you don't think some of us might have already put in some hard years and are now reaping the benefits and relaxing a bit from hard physical work?

Are you not being hypocritical in hanging out with us "non workers" who contribute nothing??!!

 

[Aussiejeff]

Interesting how this ASF poll (started a few weeks aback) absolutely flies in the face of the latest main stream media polls.

Have they "moved forward" & fallen in love with Julia? :1luvu:

Perhaps we at ASF should also "move forward together" and have an update poll in a couple of weeks?

 

[bassmanpete]

So Cynical, your comments above show little understanding of the effects of psychological stress and constant high concentration in a mentally demanding role.

Why do you think so many people turn to hard physical activity as a means of relaxation? Hard physical work/activity burns off stress, anxiety and depression. The nation's gyms are full of such people.

When the person who has engaged in hard physical work for the day finishes, he goes home, probably has a few beers, and doesn't give the job a thought until he clocks on again the next morning. The person working in a highly competitive, mentally demanding job, however, may likely get little sleep because of the anticipation of another stressful day ahead where the smallest lapse in concentration can have major effects.

Explod makes a good point. Repetitive, physical activity, often something as simple as walking or running with its endorphin release can indeed generate new ideas and solutions to problems.

Totally agree Julia. For the first 10 years of my working life I did physically demanding work; then I became a computer programmer/analyst. However 'hard' the physical work was it never left me feeling drained in the evening like the mental work did.