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nunthewiser said:
deep man ............

can you explain what it means ?
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LOL @ Nun. I am thinking that Scalpme has Industrial Disease ie to state the bleeding obvious. He is complaining that "newbies" get heckled but that is the whole point of being a "newbie". How else will you learn unless you ask questions? If they are genuine then they should be able to handle it. But as we all know we get a lot of transparent floggers that come in here and they get what they deserve. Slow hand clap was for the great job the mod squad does in sorting this kind of splenetic verbosity out when it comes to personal attacks. (massive @rse kissing exercise on my behalf ... oh chocolate lips)

Statler & Waldorf (experienced ASFers) VS Newbies asking inane questions
 

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Scalpme said:
I don't' make it up, its real. and instead of the high ranking members taking the issue seriously, they seem to love the drama.
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What is a "high ranking member"? This is Australia. We are all equal. There is no ranking, or pecking order. Some people may have more experience than others. But their experience will include many mistakes and some deep scars.

If the "more experienced" are still trading after a number of years, it is likely they have developed a plan and a strategy. It is unlikely that they will share this with anyone else. Not because they are selfish but most likely because it is flexible and still evolving and needs to change with the changing economic climate. Also because if they were to tell anyone else their strategy and it didn't work for the other person, there is an unwanted guilt trip for the other persons misfortune.

This is not an easy environment to flourish in. If it was simple and straightforward, everyone would be winners and there would be no losers, which would need an ever upward bull market. And we know that isn't going to happen.
 
This was how I behaved as a newbie, someone eventually said "turn your hat around d1ckhead", initially I thought it was agressive but really it was just cutting to the point and stating the obvious.

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Zaij said:
As I mentioned before, it's thanks to the mods that there's a low here. Notice how you (I think you're a moderator thanks to the fancy blue writing, I'm not sure) jumped right on it?
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Now that`s a bit of a smart alec remark yourself!

No one is claiming that *every* long time member is jumping on newbies and trashing them, just that there are a few occasions where people that should know better by now think it's OK to lash out at people.
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The guts of your complaint revolves around a few d.h`s who have either nothing constructive to contribute or think their poopy don`t pong. They are personalities found every day all over the world.

Cure = grain of salt ... The phrase comes from Pliny the Elder's Naturalis Historia, regarding the discovery of a recipe for an antidote to a poison. In the antidote, one of the ingredients was a grain of salt. Threats involving the poison were thus to be taken "with a grain of salt" and therefore less seriously.

and remember .... we are not perfect. ;)
 
nulla nulla said:
What is a "high ranking member"? This is Australia. We are all equal. There is no ranking, or pecking order. Some people may have more experience than others. But their experience will include many mistakes and some deep scars.
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No, this is Australia - we're capitalist and we're not all equal. The more efficient are better off. If we were in communist China, we'd be all equal :D
 
I rather think we're talking about two different types of newbie posts.

1. The ones where the poster is about to spend many thousands of $
on that supa dupa guaranteed million dollars in the first week scheme,
and which receives the scorn it deserves, or

2. The ones where inexperienced people genuinely don't know how
something works and are looking for the answer.

My own reaction here varies according to whether the obvious
avenue for finding the answer would be their broker in which
case I'm mildly
irritated, e.g. "What happens with Comsec if I don't have the money in my
account to meet the cost of a trade?"
Why post that on a forum? Why not simply ask the broker who surely is
likely to give you a more authoritative reply!

Or it can be a quite valid question which might be a bit difficult to find
via the Search function unless you know exactly what you're trying to
find.

I can remember asking some horribly dumb questions
when I was trying to find my way around the forum, and one in particular where someone made a very facetious and unhelpful
response but someone else understood what I was looking for and was
polite and helpful.

I don't think it's all that hard to be a bit tolerant and polite.
 
Zaij said:
have just been arrogant, dismissive and altogether unhelpful, more invested (ha) in making a zany one liner
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Wysiwyg said:
The guts of your complaint revolves around a few d.h`s who have either nothing constructive to contribute or think their poopy don`t pong. They are personalities found every day all over the world.
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Yep its a tough gig... but someone has to do it:D
 
My own reaction here varies according to whether the obvious
avenue for finding the answer would be their broker in which
case I'm mildly
irritated, e.g. "What happens with Comsec if I don't have the money in my
account to meet the cost of a trade?"
Why post that on a forum? Why not simply ask the broker who surely is
likely to give you a more authoritative reply!

I don't think it's all that hard to be a bit tolerant and polite
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No one is obliged to answer every question. ;) Sometimes it`s best to let them go.
 
Hey hey hey !!!! ... if you are wrong then admit that you are wrong. No harm in this is there? Yes it is easy to send thunderbolts down from the mount but it is also as easy to aplogise when you have called a spade a spade and it turns out to be a screwdriver?
 
tech/a said:
Ducati was the originator as far as I know.
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"Muppet" is a pretty common low level insult in the UK, has been for years.

I don't think either Duc or I can lay claim to originating that one.
 
Boggo love the hat pic!

As a newbie who is madly reading and learning as much as possible I have found some post answers a bit condescending from experienced members but then I've seen some really dumbass questions too. It goes both ways...

Perhaps a teaspoon of cement is in order?
(Harden the f!@K up!)

Grant
 
jono1887 said:
No, this is Australia - we're capitalist and we're not all equal. The more efficient are better off. If we were in communist China, we'd be all equal :D
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Some how I don't think the impoverished chinese watching the new rich in china would accept this.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Perhaps we should have a muppets thread.

Muppets 101.

How to search.
Finding a search engine
Typing in your question
Pressing enter
Scrolling down
Clicking on the most appropriate answer
Pressing enter
Read


Muppets 102.......


gg
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Or... judicious use of an appropriate link is fun.
 
Plankton summed it up well. Some comments are condescending. But some questions are dumb. Julia's right - not hard to be polite/civil. But have had some good lessons come from the replies.

A grandstanding newbie is asking to get chopped off at the knees. Respect is earned, not a given.

The forum's just great as it is.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaaah yes Nun ... but some people do not understand your eloquent style. The other thing in here is that it is black writing on a blue background. No inflection of the voice, no raised eyebrow, no facial expressions or tones of articulation to determine whether or not the person is being sarcastic or serious. The emoticons do help somewhat to get the point across but I believe that people will read what they want into the written word depending on their mood/amount of alcohol consumed/time of the month blah blah blah. My advice to the "newbies" :- Look, learn and read (at least twice) what is being written FIRST then post your response SECOND. :eek:
 
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