More Religious Nuts

[trainspotter]

Hey ktrianta, what is it you can't face? Your inability to make a decision is making me indecisive, but now I am not so sure ?

 

[darkside]

Just for you darkside:-

Let me sail, let me sail, let the Orinoco flow.
Let me reach, let me beach on the shores of Tripoli.
Let me sail, let me sail, let me crash upon your shore.
Let me reach, let me beach far beyond the Yellow Sea.
De de de de de...
Sail away,...
From Bissau to Palau in the shade of Avalon.
From Fiji to Tiree and the isles of Ebony.
From Peru to Cebu, feel the power of Babylon.
From Bali to Cali, far beneath the Coral Sea.
De de de de de...
Sail away...
Turn it up...Adieu, ooh.
From the North to the South, Ebudae unto Khartoum.
From the deep Sea of Clouds to the Island of the Moon.
Carry me on the waves to the lands I've never been.
Carry me on the lands I've never seen.
We can sail, with the Orinoco flow.
We can sail away...
We can steer, we can near with Rob Dickins at the wheel.
We can sigh, say good-bye Ross and his dependencies.
We can sail away (repeat and fade).

Right, back to work you lot. Musical interlude is over.

Great, now everyone knows , i told Tink not to tell anyone, it was our secret, now i will be a mockery on ASF.

 

[trainspotter]

LOLOLOL ... when I get the appropriate amount of red wine down my gullet I have been know to play the "Enya" CD. Mind you I am in a very, very bad place when it is placed into the Marantz.

 

[knocker]

Anyone help me out here. I see these two young guys walking and riding around. blue pants white shirt tie . What/who ar they trying to sell? More to the point are they legal to harass me or anyone else with there bs?

 

[gooner]

Anyone help me out here. I see these two young guys walking and riding around. blue pants white shirt tie . What/who ar they trying to sell? More to the point are they legal to harass me or anyone else with there bs?

I remember some Jehovah witnesses coming to our house and my flatmate answered the door. As soon as they started their spiel, he said he was not interested.

Jehovah witness - "But you don't know what we are about?"

My flatmate - "you're about to f*** off"

Sound of door closing and me ROFLMAO

 

[trainspotter]

Brilliant. I like the ones that drag around the little cute children with their hair in pig tails and the lovely summer polka dot frock. I ask them to read Psalm 137 chapters 8 & 9 OUT LOUD in front of the kiddies.

8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-

9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

The sheer look of terror on the little darlings is delightful on so many levels ! Then I ask the parents if they are happy to dash their little ones against a rock. They don't hang around much after that for some reason?

 

[knocker]

I remember some Jehovah witnesses coming to our house and my flatmate answered the door. As soon as they started their spiel, he said he was not interested.

Jehovah witness - "But you don't know what we are about?"

My flatmate - "you're about to f*** off"

Sound of door closing and me ROFLMAO

ok so why do they bother? are they preying on victims?
if so am i in my rights to seek legal action against them?

 

[trainspotter]

Legal action for what knocker? For trying to convert you to their way of thinking? Just shut the door on them. Change channel, do whatever or politely say "No thank you, I have my own religion today".

 

[knocker]

Legal action for what knocker? For trying to convert you to their way of thinking? Just shut the door on them. Change channel, do whatever or politely say "No thank you, I have my own religion today".

Ok but they approached me in th shopping mall and were very persistant

 

[trainspotter]

Ok, shopping mall is a bit different due to it being a public place. Technically they have as much right to be there as you do. If they tend to be a bit aggresive and persistent my usual trick is to feign a massive heart attack and attract as much attention as possible to myself. The godbotherers soon take evasive action when you are throwing yourself on the floor and clutching at your chest squawking "I can't breath, I can't breath". You should try it some time. An epileptic fit is another beauty. But there is always some dogooder who wants to hold your tongue so you don't swallow it halfway through your "fit".

OR .... just walk into a shop. You then advise the shopkeep that you are intending to buy something from the store and these people are bothering you. 9 out of 10 times the shopkeeper will remove them from the store because he/she/it wants to make a sale.

 

[refined silver]

No i take offence at you people brainwashing your kids and trying to ram your ridiculous beliefs down our throats , your religion is of no interest to me, all i can do is hope you get better.

Having lived 7 of the last 12 years in ex Soviet states, let me help you with some facts.

Under communism which at one stage over half the world lived, Communism rammed its atheism down everyone's throats. It was illegal to take kids to church, illegal to have church. Illegal to believe in God, if you did, you lost your job, home, children. Compulsory in every single university degree were courses in dialectic materialism and Marxism. Every single educated person in a communism country went through anti-religious indoctrination at the highest possible level. Yet when communism fell in Russia the church exploded.

The biggest church in Europe now is in the Ukraine with 35,000 members. In China which still persecutes Christians, there are now over 100 million Christians. (Not our agnostic, sleepy, Western church attenders, but radical, whole-hearted, passionate believers).

Jesus, who split history when He entered it, stands at the end of history for every man and woman. Believe or not, it makes no difference, one day you get to speak to Him face to face.

Remember though, that the Apostle John who had been one of Jesus' closest disciples on earth, when he saw Him in his glorified state, with, "hair white like wool, and his eyes as a burning fire, his feet like bronze glowing in a furnace...and his face like the sun shining in all its brilliance." The Apostle John fell at his feet as though dead. It will not be a frivolous thing.

 

[darkside]

Having lived 7 of the last 12 years in ex Soviet states, let me help you with some facts.

Under communism which at one stage over half the world lived, Communism rammed its atheism down everyone's throats. It was illegal to take kids to church, illegal to have church. Illegal to believe in God, if you did, you lost your job, home, children. Compulsory in every single university degree were courses in dialectic materialism and Marxism. Every single educated person in a communism country went through anti-religious indoctrination at the highest possible level. Yet when communism fell in Russia the church exploded.

The biggest church in Europe now is in the Ukraine with 35,000 members. In China which still persecutes Christians, there are now over 100 million Christians. (Not our agnostic, sleepy, Western church attenders, but radical, whole-hearted, passionate believers).

Jesus, who split history when He entered it, stands at the end of history for every man and woman. Believe or not, it makes no difference, one day you get to speak to Him face to face.

Remember though, that the Apostle John who had been one of Jesus' closest disciples on earth, when he saw Him in his glorified state, with, "hair white like wool, and his eyes as a burning fire, his feet like bronze glowing in a furnace...and his face like the sun shining in all its brilliance." The Apostle John fell at his feet as though dead. It will not be a frivolous thing.

I can't agree more, fundamentalisim regardless of motive is plain wrong, and no one should suffer for it. I suppose that also includes brainwashing the kiddies with fairytales and horror stories from the bible.

Parents have an obligation to educate their children on the history of religion and to encourage critical, independent thinking and scepticism.

Unfortunately we live in a world that is still under the influence of religion and many religions are actively pursuing the recruitment of new members a bit like Macdonalds only way more sinister.

We need to tell our kids the difference between science and religion, reason and faith, material and the supernatural, myth and fact, religious morality and humanist ethics

 

[Tink]

Anyone help me out here. I see these two young guys walking and riding around. blue pants white shirt tie . What/who ar they trying to sell? More to the point are they legal to harass me or anyone else with there bs?

Door to Door salesmen should be banned - one of my pet gripes..

Havent had religion in ages, but roof tiles, telstra, optus, real estate agents, the list goes on and on and on.....

Finally got rid of the telemarketers and now they come hassling you at the door

Stick in my letter box for Gods sake, I am not interested

As for in the shopping centre, that doesnt bother me as they are in the right environment to be selling...

 

[ktrianta]

Oh, enough of this cryptic, obscure stuff, ktrianta. Let's get this sorted out.
So that we can all move on, you should yourself define what is right and wrong to you.

Hopefully that will then allow you to finally answer the question originally posed in this thread.

If that's all too hard (translation: you prefer to continue avoiding the issue) then might be best if you withdraw from the thread, given that your contribution really is not contributing in any constructive fashion.

However, I'd much prefer to see you outline your moral views as suggested above.

With thanks.

Obviously no one has been able to answer the question I have posed about what is right and wrong. Reason I asked this is that this thread is I would assume made of athiests who revel in the excesses and abuses of religion whilst ignoring predominantly the evils perpetrated by those with an athiestic world view and ignoring the good that is done by religious people and organisations aligned to religion.

I have already answered the question, but few failed to pick up on it, when I said that morals without reference to absolutes is meaningless. Simply put unless you appeal to a creator God who is the creator of all and to whom we all owe our existence, then how can you say anything is wrong.
If God created us, and has said it is wrong to murder, then yes it is wrong and that is indeed my position.

If however, as many on this thread believe, we are nothing more than the result of a cosmic accident, then all morality is relative. Why is you morality more right than the muslim who chooses to blow up innocent people?
Was the murderous regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot any more wrong than these Muslims?

The simple and awkward fact for people on this thread and why no-one answered the question i posed was that it is exceptionally difficult to define right, wrong, wicked, pure evil etc. without reference to some transcendent moral authority of good or evil. As Mao said, " Morality does not have to be defined in relation to others... Of course there are people and objects in the world, but they are there only for me...People like me only have a duty to ourselves, we have no duty to other people."

 

[Sean K]

The simple and awkward fact for people on this thread and why no-one answered the question i posed was that it is exceptionally difficult to define right, wrong, wicked, pure evil etc. without reference to some transcendent moral authority of good or evil.

The transcendent authority you speak of is actually humans.

The books are not revelation, but merely the moral code of Western Asian culture transcribed by various men over centuries of time.

It was humans that determined what was right and wrong, not some old bearded bloke throwing lightning bolts.

We made Him in our image after all.

 

[Tink]

In other words, its humans being humans - bottom line

 

[Sean K]

In other words, its humans being humans - bottom line

Not entirely.

Dogmatic religion, a myth invented by humans, keeps certain people living in the year 500AD.

Or, maybe then it is just all humans being humans...

 

[bunyip]

Ok but they approached me in th shopping mall and were very persistant

They can't be persistent if you tell them you're not interested, then turn your back on them and walk away.

My aunty was doing her ironing on the veranda when the JW's turned up. She just continued with her ironing while they talked.
They asked her 'Do you realise that the Lord is returning to Earth one day'?
Her reply was 'Is that right? Well I hope he comes today - he can help me with all this bloody ironing'!

 

[awg]

Ok but they approached me in th shopping mall and were very persistant

Easy bro, use my approach suggested earlier.

Tell them you are a Satan worshipper, invite them back to your joint for some worship..ie orgy, drug taking and animal sacrifice.

If they are overly persistent.

I have also used the approach of giving them a boring debate on Christian Science, when they come to my place.

You are also entitled to answer the door in your undies.

I find this works well

All these approaches will get rid of them real quick.

I would add, that 9 times out of 10, I simply commend them on the good work they do, but explain I have my own beliefs, and do not elaborate.

I am always polite to Mormons, as when I was younger, my flatmates got into a fight with them, and they sure could look after themselves with their fists

The worst ever case I had, was a phone company saleswoman, they use very attractive young salespersons.

A gorgeous young Swedish backpacker was so incredibly rude and persistent to me that I took most of my clothes off, and invited her in for sex.

She scuttled off

 

[bunyip]

Obviously no one has been able to answer the question I have posed about what is right and wrong. Reason I asked this is that this thread is I would assume made of athiests who revel in the excesses and abuses of religion whilst ignoring predominantly the evils perpetrated by those with an athiestic world view and ignoring the good that is done by religious people and organisations aligned to religion.

I have already answered the question, but few failed to pick up on it, when I said that morals without reference to absolutes is meaningless. Simply put unless you appeal to a creator God who is the creator of all and to whom we all owe our existence, then how can you say anything is wrong.
If God created us, and has said it is wrong to murder, then yes it is wrong and that is indeed my position.

If however, as many on this thread believe, we are nothing more than the result of a cosmic accident, then all morality is relative. Why is you morality more right than the muslim who chooses to blow up innocent people?
Was the murderous regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot any more wrong than these Muslims?

The simple and awkward fact for people on this thread and why no-one answered the question i posed was that it is exceptionally difficult to define right, wrong, wicked, pure evil etc. without reference to some transcendent moral authority of good or evil. As Mao said, " Morality does not have to be defined in relation to others... Of course there are people and objects in the world, but they are there only for me...People like me only have a duty to ourselves, we have no duty to other people."

What a ridiculous load of bunkum!

If I hurt someone purposely, wantonly kill someone, steal, lie, cheat, or in any other way treat people with disrespect and a general lack of consideration, then I'm wrong in doing so. End of story.
Unlike you and your kind, I don't need go into some great mind-numbing post-mortem to work it all out. I don't need to be a declared atheist or a declared God believer either....I just need a reasonable level of common sense and decency.

All this religious, godly crap has twisted your mind.
You sound like some of the sermons I've listened to in church.

You wouldn't be a minister of religion by any chance, would you?
A Catholic priest perhaps?