Michael Jackson Dead

[Garpal Gumnut]

He died bald, a belly full of tablets, skin peppered with needle marks and weighing 51k.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,25705511-5019114,00.html

 

[theshadow]

this little gem is what makes me laugh..

the woman is obviously not with it.. and the thought that MJ selected this brood mare to inseminate is hilarious

Rowe, 50, married Jackson at the Sheraton Hotel in Sydney in 1996, later giving birth to "Prince" Michael Joseph Jackson Jr, 12, and Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, 11.

She gave Jackson full custody of the children when the couple divorced in 1999 but stayed silent on their marriage until his death last Thursday.

Rowe, who lives on a ranch in California, said she would not fight for her two children in the wake of Jackson's death because she never developed an attachment to them.

"I was never a good mother ... It was a better feeling giving them to him than it was keeping them as my own," she told News of the World.

"I know I will never see them again. I was never cut out to be a mother - I was no good.

"It's just like I impregnate my mares for breeding. It was very technical,'' she said.

"Just like I stick the sperm up my horse, this is what they did to me. I was his thoroughbred.

"I don't want these children in my life. My children are my animals now."`

that last line, imho she got that wrong, the children would probably yearn for their mother and wonder wtf happened and why she does not care about them right now.. even if what this wacko says is true, its not something you would want these children to know read or even understand of their real mother..(or foals in her case as she mentally sees these children)

this is a real sad story, tragic and humorous in its content

Wow people still believe this crap. This was from like 5 years ago and she denied this. The media are really getting desperate for news. Do your research and Don't believe everything you read guys. Especially from tabloid newspapers from Britain.

 

[bunyip]

Blindmelon has a song called "No Rain" and Shannon Hoon was the lead singer who died of a drug overdose in 1995. The song was a bit of a hit in 1992 and I kinda liked it cause the lyrics touched me in the right cerebral cortex. It also had a Beegirl kinda thingy jumping around. Don't know why but it looked good and the tune was catchy.

Anyways ... the point is that this guy was truly musically gifted and should have gone onto bigger and better things rather than jabbing a needle in his eyeball and croaking basically.

Was he truly musically gifted and talented though, or did he possess only 'artifical talent' that was heavily dependent on all the jazz and glitter and aerobic moves and stage effects and all the other performers on the stage with him?
If he'd got up on the stage with a guitar in his hand and just three other blokes like the Beatles and some of the other bands of old, minus all the jazz and glitter and stage effects, would his performances have got the same rave reviews?

 

[Tink]

Wow people still believe this crap. This was from like 5 years ago and she denied this. The media are really getting desperate for news. Do your research and Don't believe everything you read guys. Especially from tabloid newspapers from Britain.

well said Shadow...

The media is going to have a field day with Michael Jackson
The rubbish they are going to dredge up just for a scoop is going to be never ending..

The shock factor doesnt work with me ..

 

[MrBurns]

Did you look under it to see what was there?

No way, it looked brand new, never seen anything like it on the street, spooky only a few days after MJ dies.

 

[Tink]

Was he truly musically gifted and talented though, or did he possess only 'artifical talent' that was heavily dependent on all the jazz and glitter and aerobic moves and stage effects and all the other performers on the stage with him?
If he'd got up on the stage with a guitar in his hand and just three other blokes like the Beatles and some of the other bands of old, minus all the jazz and glitter and stage effects, would his performances have got the same rave reviews?

I think numbers speak for themselves Bunyip...

Jackson's 1982 album Thriller remains the world's best-selling album of all time, and four of his other solo studio albums are among the world's best-selling records: Off the Wall (1979), Bad (1987), Dangerous (1991) and HIStory (1995)

One of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice
Multiple Guinness World Records — including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time"
13 Grammy Awards,
13 number one singles in his solo career,
and the sale of 750 million records worldwide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson

He sold out 50 concerts just in London and he hasnt played since 2000, says enough..

 

[Julia]

I really dont want to remember him as he died, just the music legacy he left.

Agree, Prospector. I don't get what it is that compels some people to want to ferret for every potential unpleasant fact or suggestion that they can find.

I'd have thought that his drug habit was pretty sad and entirely personal.
Ditto his sexual preferences, if any.
No need for it and/or his baldness to be splashed all around the world.

I don't recall any such salacious commentary when Heath Ledger died of a prescription drug overdose.

It's my guess that Michael Jackson, for various reasons, suffered a good deal in his lifetime. Might be good to just leave his memory alone.

And bunyip, it's not just his musical talent. He could dance like no one else I ever saw.

 

[MrBurns]

Agree, Prospector. I don't get what it is that compels some people to want to ferret for every potential unpleasant fact or suggestion that they can find.

I'd have thought that his drug habit was pretty sad and entirely personal.
Ditto his sexual preferences, if any.
No need for it and/or his baldness to be splashed all around the world.

I don't recall any such salacious commentary when Heath Ledger died of a prescription drug overdose.

It's my guess that Michael Jackson, for various reasons, suffered a good deal in his lifetime. Might be good to just leave his memory alone.

And bunyip, it's not just his musical talent. He could dance like no one else I ever saw.

Like school children they poke cruel fun because he was different.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Agree, Prospector. I don't get what it is that compels some people to want to ferret for every potential unpleasant fact or suggestion that they can find.

I'd have thought that his drug habit was pretty sad and entirely personal.
Ditto his sexual preferences, if any.
No need for it and/or his baldness to be splashed all around the world.

I don't recall any such salacious commentary when Heath Ledger died of a prescription drug overdose.

It's my guess that Michael Jackson, for various reasons, suffered a good deal in his lifetime. Might be good to just leave his memory alone.

And bunyip, it's not just his musical talent. He could dance like no one else I ever saw.

Like school children they poke cruel fun because he was different.

At the risk of getting blown away by two people who I admire for their courageous posts, I must say that I saw Michael Jackson as a very weird product of a very dysfunctional childhood, manipulated by his parents, numerous hangers on, producers, doctors and an insatiable fan base.

His behaviour around children, were it not for his fame and money would have earned him in excess of 50 years in jail.

He destroyed his life with hypochondriasis, useless plastic surgery and the tolerance of professionals who should have known better.

I'm not a fan of pop and have never been able to dance, so cannot comment on his skills as an artist.

gg

 

[Prospector]

At the risk of getting blown away by two people who I admire for their courageous posts, I must say that I saw Michael Jackson as a very weird product of a very dysfunctional childhood, manipulated by his parents, numerous hangers on, producers, doctors and an insatiable fan base.

His behaviour around children, were it not for his fame and money would have earned him in excess of 50 years in jail.

He destroyed his life with hypochondriasis, useless plastic surgery and the tolerance of professionals who should have known better.

I'm not a fan of pop and have never been able to dance, so cannot comment on his skills as an artist.

gg

GG, to all that I simply say you cant have the talent and genius and expect a normal person. He burnt his face and hair in an accident filming a Pepsi ad, and he did have Vitiligo - those drugs were found in his room. Hypochondriasis is hardly a reason not to admire someone, nor is his childhood his fault - in fact his songs were a cry for help and understanding. As for the allegations of Pedophilia - MJ was a child himself, none of the allegations proven and parents being bought off suggests they were manipulating him. No person would accept payment for the abuse of their child.

Close your eyes for a while and listen to the words of his ballads, maybe you might 'hear' the real Michael Jackson.

 

[wayneL]

...the tolerance of professionals who should have known better.

This is particularly disappointing and there are numerous similar examples over the years.

 

[trainspotter]

No way, it looked brand new, never seen anything like it on the street, spooky only a few days after MJ dies.

Hmmmm ... now that is kinda spooky. Never ever open the door to the attic I say !!

 

[MrBurns]

I must say that I saw Michael Jackson as a very weird product of a very dysfunctional childhood, manipulated by his parents, numerous hangers on, producers, doctors and an insatiable fan base.
His behaviour around children, were it not for his fame and money would have earned him in excess of 50 years in jail.
He destroyed his life with hypochondriasis, useless plastic surgery and the tolerance of professionals who should have known better.
I'm not a fan of pop and have never been able to dance, so cannot comment on his skills as an artist.
gg

Yes he had a bad childhood, all work no play.
He was unique, how many 11 year olds could perform like he did ?

He was artistic and sometimes in extreme cases that can lead to eccentricity which it did in this case, he wasn't a strong personality and had a lot of money, therefore the hangers on moved in, it was all down hill from that point.
I really don't think he had sex with anyone including children but related to them more than adults.
If he was having sex with kids he wouldn't have made the statements about sharing his bed.
I agree his attitude toward them was weird but he was completely honest about it , naive.
Once again he was a part of my early adult life and I remember him fondly for that, I don't even know if I have any of his music at present.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

GG, to all that I simply say you cant have the talent and genius and expect a normal person. He burnt his face and hair in an accident filming a Pepsi ad, and he did have Vitiligo - those drugs were found in his room. Hypochondriasis is hardly a reason not to admire someone, nor is his childhood his fault - in fact his songs were a cry for help and understanding. As for the allegations of Pedophilia - MJ was a child himself, none of the allegations proven and parents being bought off suggests they were manipulating him. No person would accept payment for the abuse of their child.

Close your eyes for a while and listen to the words of his ballads, maybe you might 'hear' the real Michael Jackson.

I take your point. The second Mrs Gumnut was a fan and left some of her collection in the boat shed. I plan on listening to them after reading you guys expressing such respect for his art.

gg

 

[bunyip]

I think numbers speak for themselves Bunyip...

Jackson's 1982 album Thriller remains the world's best-selling album of all time, and four of his other solo studio albums are among the world's best-selling records: Off the Wall (1979), Bad (1987), Dangerous (1991) and HIStory (1995)

One of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice
Multiple Guinness World Records ”” including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time"
13 Grammy Awards,
13 number one singles in his solo career,
and the sale of 750 million records worldwide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson

He sold out 50 concerts just in London and he hasnt played since 2000, says enough..

Tink

The numbers only tell us what we already know - that he was immensely popular. What they don't tell us is how much of his popularity was due to his musical talent, and how much of it was due to the razzmatazz, the way out costumes, and the co-performers that were all part of his show.

I'm not passing judgement on his ability as an entertainer....I'm just trying to look at it objectively.

 

[Trembling Hand]

I think what killed him was the realisation that he made a big mistake,

 

[bunyip]

And bunyip, it's not just his musical talent. He could dance like no one else I ever saw.

Julia.......You haven't seen me dance yet!!

 

[Tink]

I'm not passing judgement on his ability as an entertainer....I'm just trying to look at it objectively.

well only time will tell Bunyip, but I dont think if you are buying a CD, you are going with razzamatazz, you are enjoying the songs...

 

[Julia]

At the risk of getting blown away by two people who I admire for their courageous posts, I must say that I saw Michael Jackson as a very weird product of a very dysfunctional childhood, manipulated by his parents, numerous hangers on, producers, doctors and an insatiable fan base.

gg, that's entirely correct. What I'm trying to say is that his peculiarities would have been as a result of his life experiences, especially a sort of non-childhood, probably a sense of never fitting in, being like his peers etc.

I'm not suggesting that he was a 'normal' person (whatever that is).
He seemed to be obsessed with never growing up, and probably his very unusual predilection for children as companions was connected with this, rather than any paedophilia.

I don't know, and don't really care. He gave a lot to the entertainment world and it just seems a poor exchange to me that on his death we can't leave him in peace, rather than behave like vultures around the entrails.
It all just seems a bit grubby to me.

Julia.......You haven't seen me dance yet!!

Hmm. That's a pleasure I just might postpone for a while, Bunyip.

 

[bunyip]

well only time will tell Bunyip, but I dont think if you are buying a CD, you are going with razzamatazz, you are enjoying the songs...

Some people were fans of Jackson's music, others were fans of his showmanship and the razzamatazz that went with it, some were fans of both.
Either way, they bought his music and will continue to do so.

My personal opinion is that Jackson's popularity was due largely to his considerable ability as a showman. Without the showmanship, his success may have been limited if he'd relied solely on his musical talent.
In terms of pure musical ability I don't think he was in the same league as The Beatles, The Delltones, The Beach Boys, Johnny Cash, and a number of other artists I could name. These fellers were pure musical talent with very little showmanship to dress it up.