More Religious Nuts

[Garpal Gumnut]

For the Religious doubters amongst you.

Four of these taken religiously every day,and it all makes sense, even the nuts.



1/2 oz. Vodka
1/2 oz. Hazelnut Liqueur
1/2 oz. Coffee Liqueur
1/4 oz. Cream

Combine with ice, shake, strain and serve straight up in 4 oz. rocks glass.

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[spooly74]

What amazed me when i began to investigate it was that quite a few nobel prize winners in sciences were creationists not necessarily christian of course but creationist,

Al Gore won a nobel prize. They might as well hand them out with cereal boxes imo.
That said, what papers did these creationist scientists win their nobel prize for?
I haven't checked but I'll bet it was not for anything relating to Creationism, Earth is 6000 yrs old etc.
Can you clear this up with some references?

 

[refined silver]

Sorry WayneL .. I was drawing a long bow on that one wasn't I ?? I offer this euphenism instead .... I love it when instead of using logic and science to prove or disprove a valid point that we revert to an omnisicient being or just plain faith to shoulder our case point exchange of views and neither the twain shall meet.

What you've said here is the crux of the debate, BUT, it cuts both ways.

As the renaissance and enlightenment led to great scientific discoveries and we started to discover laws which governed astronomy, physics, biology, etc and then even in the social sciences too. People then said "God" is just a crux to explain what we don't understand yet.

Some then said, they would seek a natural explanation for everything. At this point God is excluded by assumption, from everything, (as everything must have a "natural" cause) so even the clearest miracle, fire from heaven, healing the blind etc, is not accepted as evidence of God, as by definition, this viewpoint excludes the possibility that God can exist or intervene in His universe. So it must just be some natural law we don't understand fully yet. This is no different from everything we don't understand must be God.

Both viewpoints rely on presuppositions to interpret the evidence.

 

[trainspotter]

Could be this?

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies ”” all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

Taken from the novel 1984 by George Orwell.

 

[nth brisbanite]

Simple logic proves that at least the Christian version of God does not exist. And it's probably only a matter of time before science proves it somehow. I'm not saying there's definately no super powerful being up there, (I don't think there is though,) I'm just saying he/she/it isn't anything like most religions claim he/she/it is.

Can you tell what that simple logic is as I know many believers who are brilliant academics, successful businessmen, elite sportsmen and just ordinary folks like me? Are you saying that these hundreds of millions of people throughout the world are illogical? I've got a son-in-law who was the top science student in his state but is a very keen Christian.

 

[imajica]

Like all forms of ideology - religious doctrines are linguistic/memetic viruses
that infiltrate and alter the thought processes of those who alllow themselves to be taken over by their influence. The social and ritualistic nature of church merely reinforces and normalises these new behaviours.

 

[nth brisbanite]

Re: More Religious Nut's

Bobby, I expect ASF members to show a little more sensitivity to the beliefs of others than you have demonstrated in this post.

You may not agree with the religious views of others but that is no reason to denigrate them in this way.

Totally agree with you, Joe Blow. Denigrating doesn't get us anywhere.

 

[gooner]

Re: More Religious Nut's

Totally agree with you, Joe Blow. Denigrating doesn't get us anywhere.

Nth brisbanite.

Freedom of speech vs denigrating other beliefs is always an interesting balance. Various religions and people believe the following:

- we are descended from aliens (scientologists)
- condoms cause aids (catholics)
- they are the chosen people (jews)
- dreamtime (aborigines, but not sure if dreamtime is considered a religion)
- God's name is Mohammed (muslims)
- Homosexuals should be killed (various christian religions)
- Holocaust is a myth (various catholic groups)
- Babies should have their penis mutilated at birth (jews and muslims)

Obviously people are entitled to these views. However, IMHO I am equally entitled to criticise these views. Freedom of speech is far more important than the sensitivity of individuals to criticism of their beliefs, religious or otherwise.

We have already seen with the ministry of fires case in Victoria the use of the legal system to suppress free speech. We have a duty to our children to ensure this does not spread further.

 

[Sean K]

Humans are animals.

Get over it.

 

[trainspotter]

We are getting nowhere. Religion, politics and sex should never be discussed my mother always told me. Seems I didn't listen very well??

 

[GumbyLearner]

Humans are animals.

Get over it.

But it's too difficult to get over.
I always considered myself a mammal until now.

 

[Sean K]

But it's too difficult to get over.

Yes, is the problem.



Once there are answers for everything, then gods will no longer have a place.

But, even then, the antique dogma will fight. And fight HARD!!!

There is SO much vested in their position that we should not expect the religious right to give up. EVER.

EVER!

OMFG!!!

What happens when the Catholic Church is proved bunk!!

 

[gooner]

What happens when the Catholic Church is proved bunk!!

kennas

It's the old black swan problem - you can not prove that something does not exist. You can only theorise that it does not exist.

And even if you could prove that God does not exist, some people will still believe that God does exist. Hell, the Pope believes that condoms cause Aids, when the scientific evidence proves otherwise.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Yes, is the problem.



Once there are answers for everything, then gods will no longer have a place.

But, even then, the antique dogma will fight. And fight HARD!!!

There is SO much vested in their position that we should not expect the religious right to give up. EVER.

EVER!

OMFG!!!

What happens when the Catholic Church is proved bunk!!

Certainly plenty of money vested

Another great South Park - Christian Rock Hard

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103772

 

[bellenuit]

.. this viewpoint excludes the possibility that God can exist or intervene in His universe. So it must just be some natural law we don't understand fully yet. This is no different from everything we don't understand must be God.

Both viewpoints rely on presuppositions to interpret the evidence.

There is a huge difference between the two viewpoints. The difference being - runs on the board.

As scientific knowledge progressed, much of what was not understood, became understood. Those who stuck to the scientific method eventually discovered the answers. Not to everything, of course. But the amount of progress has been enormous and is accelerating.

On the other side you have those who ascribed much of what was not understood to an interventionist God. In EVERY case, they have either lost out to science as scientific knowledge increased, or it still remains not understood.

It is like a tournament with hundreds of thousands of games being played, but only two sides participating. 90% of the games have being won by the same side and the remaining 10% are still in progress and yet to be decided.

 

[bellenuit]

Re: More Religious Nut's

Various religions and people believe the following:

.....
- God's name is Mohammed (muslims)

Muslims believe that Mohammed was a prophet, not God. God is Allah. They believe Allah made his revelations to the prophet Mohammed through the Quran

 

[Old Mate]

Can you tell what that simple logic is as I know many believers who are brilliant academics, successful businessmen, elite sportsmen and just ordinary folks like me? Are you saying that these hundreds of millions of people throughout the world are illogical? I've got a son-in-law who was the top science student in his state but is a very keen Christian.

Mate that is exactly what I am saying. The phrase "one million/50 million/etc people can't be wrong" is far from true. I think if there is a supreme being up there, down there or wherever he/she/it is, it's nothing like what we imagine. It is arrogant of any human to act as though they know what God is. We know absolutely nothing and as such forcing your beliefs on others in the name of this figure is completely wrong. Not saying every Christian pushes their beliefs by any means, but the group as a whole does, and I can't stand it.

 

[gooner]

Mate that is exactly what I am saying. The phrase "one million/50 million/etc people can't be wrong" is far from true. I think if there is a supreme being up there, down there or wherever he/she/it is, it's nothing like what we imagine. It is arrogant of any human to act as though they know what God is. We know absolutely nothing and as such forcing your beliefs on others in the name of this figure is completely wrong. Not saying every Christian pushes their beliefs by any means, but the group as a whole does, and I can't stand it.

There are 8 million scientologists. Given that many people believe that we are descended from aliens, it must be true.........

And all that scientific work on evolution that has found that animals evolve and that humans are descended from apes is obviously wrong.

Just watched the South Park Scientology episode on SBS - very funny. Amazing that in the 21st century some people still believe all this religious nonsense.

 

[Old Mate]

Haha Gooner just saw it as well, great episode. Gotta love South park.

 

[gooner]

Haha Gooner just saw it as well, great episode. Gotta love South park.

South Park is always good at laughing at establishment figures and sacred cows.

And children are always good at seeing through all the crap