Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[Julia]

Too loony left for Mr. B

Timmy, One Nation the loony left? You're putting Mr Burns to the Right of One Nation???? That's a bit unkind!

Below is part of the transcript from tonight 7:30 report


With regard to the bit highlighted in bold it's clear Godwin Grech had knowledge of the email given that it was sent to his home account.

What if it was organised such that there was only oral communication between the politicians and treasury with treasury then constructing the email and passing it onto Gretch. That way written evidence directly linking the politicians is avoided.

Yes, but what is not clear is whether Mr Grech was implicated/complicit in the sending of the email from Treasury to his home, and if it was not his own work, then who was the originator of the email.

This affair is far from over, imo, despite the Turnbull haters already jumping for joy.

 

[Bafana]

Bring back Keating...

LOL are all our politicians so soft today?

 

[rederob]

Yes, but what is not clear is whether Mr Grech was implicated/complicit in the sending of the email from Treasury to his home, and if it was not his own work, then who was the originator of the email.

This affair is far from over, imo, despite the Turnbull haters already jumping for joy.

Again laughable.
You could get a job as Turnbull's tactics advisor!
The email Grech testified about was sent from his Treasury computer to his home computer, yet he could find no evidence of it. Yet you believe it's not clear if he was implicated or complicit in these events?
Martine saved Grech from inflicting significant Departmental embarrassment, and almost from Grech digging for himself a hole that would become his career grave.

 

[Quincy]

''One, ... I have been advised that neither I nor my office have ever spoke to Mr Grant in relation to OzCar; and two, neither I nor my office ... have ever made representations on his behalf; and three, I've not been aware of any representations on his behalf made by anyone in the Government,'' Mr Rudd said.

"I have been advised that neither I nor my office have ever spoke (sic) to Mr Grant"

Mr Rudd needs to be advised whether or not he has personally spoken to Mr Grant about OzCar ?


"and three, I've not been aware of any representations on his behalf made by anyone in the Government,'' Mr Rudd said"

Didn't Wayne Swan's office make representations ?


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/political/car-bombshell-hits-rudd/1546105.aspx

"Canberra Times" by DANIELLE CRONIN - 20/06/2009

 

[rederob]

"and three, I've not been aware of any representations on his behalf made by anyone in the Government,'' Mr Rudd said"
Didn't Wayne Swan's office make representations ?

Your comprehension skills can't make the connection about the lack of a connection?
There is no evidence that Rudd knew of Swan's dealings with Grant.
Were such evidence available then Rudd would be in the firing line.

 

[noco]

Given Kevin Rudd's history of cunningness and with his previous bureaucratic history in the Queensland Goss Government, it would not surprise me in the least, that he himself engineered this "FAKE E-MAIL" and set up the inexperienced Malcolm Turnbull just to discredit him. Malcolm Turnbull took the bait and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. It was Rudd's way of taking the heat off Wayne Swan and himself over the Grant UTEGATE and turned it back on Malcolm Turnbull.

Rudd was declaring this "E-Mail" a fake and a fraud long before the AFP discovered the deleted E-Mail on Mr Grech's computor and did anyone note how quick the AFP released this information before the investigation was complete in comparision to the lack of statements relating to the fire on the SIRV refugee boat killing seven people. That report we are still waiting for to the best of my knowledge. Mr. Grech was consistantly gagged from telling the truth by Labor Senators, the Lady Chair person and his boss Mr Martines.

Rudd would make sure somebody else did his dirty work for him so he would come out "SQUEAKY CLEAN".

The AFP must establish the author of this fake E-Mail and where it originated from; that will be the key to this enquiry and if the AFP do their job and dig deep enough, you can bet your boots it will go back to RUDD or SWAN.

It's DOG EATS DOG in politics. A dirty business indeed.

 

[Calliope]

There is no evidence that Rudd knew of Swan's dealings with Grant.

Do you think he didn't know? Grant is Rudd's friend and constituent...not Swan's, and Rudd is a control freak.

 

[Quincy]

"and three, I've not been aware of any representations on his behalf made by anyone in the Government,'' Mr Rudd said"

Didn't Wayne Swan's office make representations ?

Your comprehension skills can't make the connection about the lack of a connection?
There is no evidence that Rudd knew of Swan's dealings with Grant.
Were such evidence available then Rudd would be in the firing line.

Being aware of Wayne Swan's dealings with John Grant does not in itself put Kevin Rudd "in the firing line".

There is nothing on the record that shows Kevin Rudd was aware of Wayne Swan's dealings with John Grant at the time (February, 2009). However at some point Kevin Rudd was made "aware" of the matter (we are all aware of it now). He made that statement earlier this month (nearly 4 months later) that "I've not been aware of any representations on his behalf made by anyone in the Government''. What I am saying is it the timing of that statement that may come under question at some stage.

 

[Calliope]

Yes, but what is not clear is whether Mr Grech was implicated/complicit in the sending of the email from Treasury to his home, and if it was not his own work, then who was the originator of the email.

The AFP were only called in by Rudd to implicate Turnbull in the phony email. If they fail to do that their job is done.

 

[dan-o]

did anyone see the 7:30 report last night? Kevin Rudd is a truly scary man. It was stressful listening to him!

 

[MACCA350]

did anyone see the 7:30 report last night? Kevin Rudd is a truly scary man. It was stressful listening to him!

Reminds me of that speech "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Rudd "I did not have dealings with Mr Grench"

This comes to mind "And I'm not so optimistic. We spend 250 billion dollars a year on defense. And here we are. The fate of the planet is in the hands of a bunch of retards I wouldn't trust with a potato gun."

cheers

 

[Julia]

Rudd was declaring this "E-Mail" a fake and a fraud long before the AFP discovered the deleted E-Mail on Mr Grech's computor and did anyone note how quick the AFP released this information before the investigation was complete in comparision to the lack of statements relating to the fire on the SIRV refugee boat killing seven people.

Yes, it's very unusual for such an announcement to be made so quickly by the AFP.

That report we are still waiting for to the best of my knowledge. Mr. Grech was consistantly gagged from telling the truth by Labor Senators, the Lady Chair person and his boss Mr Martines.

Ah, but Rudd disciple, Rederob, has explained this was purely an altruistic move to protect Mr Grech, nothing more.

The AFP must establish the author of this fake E-Mail and where it originated from; that will be the key to this enquiry

Completely agree. If the matter were to be left as is, there are unanswered questions imo.

And btw, Rederob, your views are clear enough, your command of the language sufficiently competent, that I'd have thought simply expressing what you want to say would be adequate without the gratuitous insults.
As I've observed previously, this says more about you than anyone you are insulting.

 

[drsmith]

Yes, but what is not clear is whether Mr Grech was implicated/complicit in the sending of the email from Treasury to his home, and if it was not his own work, then who was the originator of the email.

This affair is far from over, imo, despite the Turnbull haters already jumping for joy.

A question which comes to my mind is, What would Mr Grech have to gain from faking an email ?

 

[Sean K]

A question which comes to my mind is, What would Mr Grech have to gain from faking an email ?

How could anyone have thought they could get away with faking an email to cause this? Truly bizaar.

 

[Beej]

A question which comes to my mind is, What would Mr Grech have to gain from faking an email ?

I don't think he faked it himself. Some "helpful" Liberal insider working at the Treasury will have done it, and then have spread rumours about the existence of said email around making sure that Turnbulls office learned of it. Grech's involvement exactly is unclear, but I reckon as he seems to have connections to Turnbull advisers and the Liberal party himself, he may well have simply believed the email was genuine and helped spread the rumours of it's existence, or perhaps he even was the one who leaked it to News Ltd?

The person who did fake the email will likely get caught now and might well go to jail. And in addition they made their glorious political leader look like a complete dill! Well done Mr Helpful Liberal supporter working at Treasury!

I mean honestly, Turnbull should have known better. It's not like this sort of faked "evidence" hasn't occurred in political situations before! If you are going to call for the resignation of the Prime Minister, in Parliament, you had better be 100% sure of your facts and evidence!

Cheers,

Beej

 

[Gamblor]

Think of the big picture Gumby, people were much better offf under the Libs, they thought they hated Howard so they gave him the **** but they hadn't experience Rudd and Labor, live and learn.

People are basically rooted at present, until the libs get back into action and suppost small business and get employment moving it will just get worse.

You have got to be kidding Have you noticed this little thing called the credit crunch? Of course people were better off under Howard - the system hadn't broken down yet.

There are so many holes in your statement it's not even worth going into.

 

[Calliope]

did anyone see the 7:30 report last night? Kevin Rudd is a truly scary man. It was stressful listening to him!

Yes, he refused to answer any questions, he talked over O'Brien and he even told O'Brien at one point that he got the question wrong. Rudd prefers to answer his own questions.

Turnbull on the other hand was polite, but not very convincing.

 

[sunshineboy]

People must do good things.

 

[Calliope]

From The Punch;

ratter says:

Forget this crazy theory of a Peter Costello comeback being behind Utegate.

Consider Machiavelli.

Who has gained the most from this episode?
Who had 6 senators enagage in theatrics to suppress reference to the fake email in the Senate enquiry?
Who knew with such confidence on Saturday that the email would prove a fake?

June 23rd, 2009 at 12:32pm

 

[GumbyLearner]

Timmy, One Nation the loony left? You're putting Mr Burns to the Right of One Nation???? That's a bit unkind!

That's a hilarious statement Julia.

Coming from someone who harps on about correct expression and grammar use. Yet you ignore the unrelenting right wing bias prose of a poster without a political clue.

Good call Timmy