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Due to the amount of hot air being bantered around elsewhere I thought I'd do a specific Elliott Wave strategy that people can clearly understand and replicate. I will show the specific rules here and you can apply them when you see similar patterns. I will update charts and examples on an ongoing basis but will do so only after the setup is triggered so my subscribers are not disadvantaged.

I have no use for time.
I have no use for cycles.
I have no use for intra day time frames.

If you do. Great. Go use them elsewhere.

My point is that over time we'll make very good profits with ease and without stress. Anyone can do this in a bull or bear market, on any time frame, in any market and without expensive software or a degree in rocket science. Let me also stress that EW is not making the money.

As usual I'll be happy to answer questions.

Let's lay out the rules, the pattern and the setup using recent price action in CBA. This pattern example is an A-B-C but I will also trade triangles, flags and rectangles.

Chart 1:
You can see here that CBA advances strongly off the January low. We know its a strong move because its quite a clean swing higher that contains a gap. Subscribers will know why that gap is important but for our example it simply shows good buying pressure. We do not know, and need not know, if the high set on Feb 13 was a wave-1 or -A. All we need to know is that its the end of an impulse and after every impulse a 3-wave counter trend move will occur.

Next note the 3-wave counter down to the Mar 9 lows. This is what you need to watch out for. This is the setup. It should retrace now more than 70% of the prior advance and it should contain 3 clear waves.



Chart 2:
Now we determine an entry level or trigger point. We do this by measuring from the Feb 13 high down to each successive low point. In this example you would have started on Mar 3, then Mar 4, 5, 6 and 9. So you take the high point to the absolute low point. We do not know how far down this swing will be so we keep adjusting each day until the market swings higher again.

The trigger point is a 25% swing up off the lowest low which occurred on Mar 10 entering us long at $27.67. At no time in the preceding 5 bars did the market swing off an EOD close of 25%. An entry would have been setup on Mar 4th had prices swung higher that day - but they didn't, indeed they opened lower. This swing entry technique is outlined in my book, pages 99 - 118.

Therefore we are long at $27.67. We place our protective stop 1c below the lowest point which is $26.43. Our risk is therefore $1.24



Chart 3:
To set our target we measure the length of wave-1 or -A and add that distance to the recent low of $26.43. Our target is therefore $33.80 which if met will offer a risk/reward of 4.94. We trail a stop behind or take profit at the target.

Will the target be met? Who knows. In theory it should but with a risk/reward of almost 5 I will take these trades any day of the week even if they only succeed 30% of the time.





This post may contain advice that has been prepared by Reef Capital Coaching ABN 24 092 309 978 (“RCC”) and is general advice and does not take account of your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before acting on this general advice you should therefore consider the appropriateness of the advice having regard to your situation. We recommend you obtain financial, legal and taxation advice before making any financial investment decision.
 
Due to the amount of hot air being bantered around elsewhere I thought I'd do a specific Elliott Wave strategy that people can clearly understand and replicate.
Yes good idea. lets hope we get trading setups, real ones, not endless (worthless) "we have 4 things can play out here" type of post.
 
Yes good idea. lets hope we get trading setups, real ones, not endless (worthless) "we have 4 things can play out here" type of post.

hear hear

p.s and no offense intended as understand your obligation to your subscribers getting a heads up /direction b4 the other readers BUT theres already enough "hindsight" entry points given in this forum to choke a cow ... as in drawing a chart then marking an ideal entry afterwards .... would be nice for a direction to be noted as a probability at the time or even pointing out the trade entry at the time .NOT once it has moved and one can draw in the entry afterwards

i can do that too

i post entrys here AT time RIGHT OR WRONG at least i cant be accused of picking entrys in hindsight

like i said no offense intended just bored with seeing at what price ppl SHOULD or DID enter AFTER the fact

have a great day
 
Your point is taken nunthewiser however:

1. Its pretty cut and dried from an entry perspective. 3-waves down with a 25% swing back up. Its hardly a hindsight entry. It is posted after the fact but its hardly a hindsight when the specific entry trigger is almost systematic.
2. I also won't put the setup here because I will be liable.
 
i post entrys here AT time RIGHT OR WRONG at least i cant be accused of picking entrys in hindsight

Hey Nun

I am a subscriber to Nicks service, and have seen how he uses EW real time with great results. That being said, I'm glad he doesn't post his set up here for free :)
 
as in drawing a chart then marking an ideal entry afterwards .... would be nice for a direction to be noted as a probability at the time or even pointing out the trade entry at the time .

I think the whole point here is to show examples of specific "trades" using Elliot Wave,without hindsight and proving it as a valid method.I think Nick Radge has done this with his earlier post.

Everything is in place from how to identify the set up through to entry, exit and trade management.


NOT once it has moved and one can draw in the entry afterwards .

Well this can't happen in this case because the trade has been viewed by his subscribers so no after the fact labelling is going to occur.

Posting "real time" isn't going to happen for the reasons Nick has mentioned.Also how many are going to follow his trades because they know he has a positive expectancy, ie he knows what he is doing and how to make a profit ? Plenty I would suggest.
 
Hey Nun

I am a subscriber to Nicks service, and have seen how he uses EW real time with great results. That being said, I'm glad he doesn't post his set up here for free :)

I respect and understand that hence my previous part of my post . I too would be piiised off IF i was paying for something he was giving out free elswhere .....

i think my post has kinda been lost in translation . i have no probs with his responsibilities and my hindsight entrys was mainly a generalization of what does happen in the forums .

i do not subscribe to him or antone actually , i follow my own methods .good and bad ...... i take your word on it that he gives u the heads up AT trade entry time etc etc .......... never doubted his sincerity OR ability ..just pointing out that trades are a lot easier to impress and look good after the fact :)

hey .. if it was joe bloggs or foo man choo etc that posted these charts and entrys here AFTER the fact would u guys say the same thing ?
 
It's funny that people jump on and say that Nick's post is worthless because it is in hindsight. If you want the setups then subscribe.

The analysis hasn't even played out yet. :confused:
 
It's funny that people jump on and say that Nick's post is worthless because it is in hindsight. If you want the setups then subscribe.

The analysis hasn't even played out yet. :confused:

um ithink you need to reread the posts . no one mentioned worthless, no one jumping on nick radges posts actually .... i have no doubt as to his abilitys as he would not be in the position he is now without ability and sound financial management


so if it was me or some other unrespected poster that posted a chart and added an entry that happened in the past it would be ok and you would cheer me on also .OR would it be viewed with a slanty eye and wonderment at why i did not point out the entry at the time?
 
aw bugga it no need to reply , the ppl that viewed my posts have already answered and we have discussed it ... no need to batter up this fine thread with anymore bullsheet

sorry nick all yours
 
um ithink you need to reread the posts . no one mentioned worthless, no one jumping on nick radges posts actually .... i have no doubt as to his abilitys as he would not be in the position he is now without ability and sound financial management


so if it was me or some other unrespected poster that posted a chart and added an entry that happened in the past it would be ok and you would cheer me on also .OR would it be viewed with a slanty eye and wonderment at why i did not point out the entry at the time?

You've just started out playing basketball.
You are in the gym after school/work shooting hoops.

Michael Jordan and some random bloke both approach you and attempt to teach you how to play. Who do you listen to?

I'd listen to the one with the reputation.

We know michael can shoot hoops and do it consistently.

You are probably right, i wouldn't hold just any post by anyone in high regards just from looking at a trade in hindsight. Nick has a reputation, he posts his trades live and his subscribers had access to this before it had even played out this far.

I think his analysis is pretty fair.

Thanks
Brad
 
evening all
it has been a interesting read..
but i don't know about the others, but i post my road map
hopefully to help traders..whether you believe in it or not..but it is my effort to help other traders out that to find there own level..as i know how hard it was in 1999..
most of the guys that post here all have there own technique's and all have merit, and have had
great success with it all..but for goodness sake..lets all learn from each other..
and don't let the hormones get involved, as it isn't a easy world out there for traders..and those that do survive are few and far between..

and hopefully those that read the posts on this forum and others..will start there own learning process..as that is half the fun of trading..if you don't put the time in to learn you will always be a lamb following the herd..knowledge creates freedom..
if this post is not in the right forum..please feel free to remove it
have a great evening
ac
 
2. I also won't put the setup here because I will be liable.

NICK


You know more about this than most.
If I as a contributor here post a chart with a setup as I see it with the intention of explaining and following a particular analysis or methodology which I have done many times---without the intention of recommending it or the methodology as a trade--could I be liable in some way?

Also if I post my own opinion of my analysis of a stock which is being followed in a thread---again without a recommendation of what I think people should do---do I have a liability?

Or do you mean because of your professional position you could be liable?
 
Tech,
The difference is that I am in a position and expected to know better, so yes we can call it a professional liability. Others need not worry.

Lets keep this topic on target and not drop it into the poop like others.

I won't post the chart until later this week. Those that are interested can look at CSL.

This post may contain advice that has been prepared by Reef Capital Coaching ABN 24 092 309 978 (“RCC”) and is general advice and does not take account of your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before acting on this general advice you should therefore consider the appropriateness of the advice having regard to your situation. We recommend you obtain financial, legal and taxation advice before making any financial investment decision.
 
I have been asked why I would trade like this if it only worked 30% of the time.

Simple.

3 wins at 4.94 units of risk = +14.82 units
7 losses at 1 unit of risk = -7 units

Net result is 7.82 units profit. Assume a unit is 2% risk of capital, therefore my return on capital is 15.64% for every 10 trades done. 200 trades a year for an EOD trader is well within reason over the longer term. Some short term periods, such as the last 5 months there are less (I think I have made 23 trades since November), but the shorting ban and lack of shortable stock has contributed to that.

Obviously these numbers will move around within a larger sample. Some times a 5R trade will not be forthcoming. Some times we have 10 losses out of 10. Other times the market will be very kind, maybe even throwing out 5 successive 5R wins and now losses. What the market throws out is up to the market.

All we need to know is that when the market throws out a trend we have to stay with it for as long as it goes our way.

In stronger trending environments I would not use a target as in this example.
 
Nick,

If this is practical Elliot wave then it’s ambiguous at best.

Take CBA as an example.

You don’t know C is a wave until price moves away from C, as it isn’t
hard-coded into the methodology. As most EW traders could, would, or
might not have done the same thing

You’ve reacted to the price action and are trading the price action
rather than using EW to make any entry decision.

Your entry isn’t based on EW, but rather price action, and now your
potential target is based on a fibonacci extension pattern.

In my opinion you’ve just applied different strategies to trade CBA, but
then optimized Elliot wave into the equation afterwards

Which makes much more sense to me, and illustrates why EW is
constantly lagging and being optimized afterwards.

Then the question begs, why would you use EW in the first place if you
are relying on other variables to make trading decisions based on entry.

You might as well just find set-ups in the market, optimize your
entry strategies and apply fibonacci extensions techniques, instead
of constantly curve fitting EW.

It would be make much more sense in saying... "I use certain trading
set-ups that are unique to myself and some others, and then I optimize
my trading using Elliot wave afterwards:- Practical Trading
"

This is why EW is illusory to the majority because each entry taken is unique the individual trader and then curve fitted to suit the methodology, resulting in different counts and wave structures and confusion based on an individuals interpretation of the trend…..

Or in your case the trade.
 
Frank.

No illusion from me.

Just let the man do his thing.
 

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is that trade closed tech?

just out of interest, why did you close before Nick's target $33.80, if u dont mind? i'm assuming u r using his stuff!

interestingly, my target is $31.70 (if reached on Monday/ $31.90 if Tues . . . )
 
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