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Perhaps they could bring in a tax payer funded behavioural physchologist to distinguish and present the differences between their actual actions and their subconscious actions and how these characteristics influenced or directed their crimes . It might sound particularly callous but I am waiting or looking forward to the day when a disgruntel victim walks in with a shotgun , oops sorry without meaning to be politically incorrect , a bucket of ice water and tips it over the head of our moderate and conservative left wing judges . I wonder if Robert Hulls has a behavioural physchologist ?



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The Qld Attorney-General today provoked outrage by saying that some rapes aren't all that serious compared with others. Unbelievably tactless remark.

I can see what he was meaning, i.e. rape with home invasion, assault, injury and violence would have to be worse than a woman saying no after she's said yes, and he's right with the point he was making about the sentence being dictated accordingly.

Sometimes I think there's a case for mandatory sentencing to counteract the wussy pathetic sentences deemed appropriate by some of these soft judges.
 
Julia said:
The Qld Attorney-General today provoked outrage by saying that some rapes aren't all that serious compared with others. Unbelievably tactless remark.

I can see what he was meaning, i.e. rape with home invasion, assault, injury and violence would have to be worse than a woman saying no after she's said yes, and he's right with the point he was making about the sentence being dictated accordingly.
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No Julia, it's a bit different to that.

Men can now be charged and convicted with "rape" if a woman agrees to have consensual sex, and later withdraws "consent" after the deed.

There is one case over here that is well known within the "scene", where the girl was all over this guy at a local club here that has a lot of musos etc. And despite her initiating basically everything... and witnesses backing this up, and prepared to in court, he is almost certain to be jailed under the new laws.

Fair to say her and her friends are not highly regarded, and most people have been warned off getting anywhere near them.

So no, not all "rapes" are the same at all any more. Some are just complete bull****.

But the law is just insane. A very very dangerous world out there for young men, with the laws now in place...
 
MrBurns said:
Very dangerous for women too, I agree the Judiciary are a failure in todays society.
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In a lot of cases now, it isn't the judiciary that's the problem, it's the legislation and the way it HAS to be interpreted in a lot of cases.

I mean, you can get a heavier penalty for cybering with a minor, than you can get for having thousands upon thousands of child pr0n images. Hell... you usually get less for killing someone.


Even in this atrocious rape case, he still has got more than the drop kick aboriginal in Gero that hit the father in the back of the head with a cricket bat. :confused: I don't know... but I'd think killing someone would get more than rape... but that's just me...


BTW, trying to find the article about the new rape laws. Absolutely scary when you look at it...
 
chops_a_must said:
In a lot of cases now, it isn't the judiciary that's the problem, it's the legislation and the way it HAS to be interpreted in a lot of cases.

I mean, you can get a heavier penalty for cybering with a minor, than you can get for having thousands upon thousands of child pr0n images. Hell... you usually get less for killing someone.


Even in this atrocious rape case, he still has got more than the drop kick aboriginal in Gero that hit the father in the back of the head with a cricket bat. :confused: I don't know... but I'd think killing someone would get more than rape... but that's just me...


BTW, trying to find the article about the new rape laws. Absolutely scary when you look at it...
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You're right it's not the judiciary so much as it is the law, BUT the judiciary should be up front and leading the charge for reform of the law but they dont , They powder their wigs and pounce into Court , shame on them.
 
MrBurns said:
Very dangerous for women too, I agree the Judiciary are a failure in todays society.
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I don't actually agree Mr Burns. The laws have jumped way way in favour of the women in the majority:
But, the most significant change to sexual assault law has been the introduction of a legal definition of consent. New South Wales is the latest state to adopt the reform after Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia. Victims' advocates say it's long overdue.

HOWARD BROWN, VICTIMS' ADVOCATE: All these changes in effect achieve is a reversal of the burden, so that no longer does it fall to the victim to prove that they were not giving consent. It now falls to the accused to prove that they believe that they did have consent.

ADRIAN RASCHELLA: Until recently, jurors had to use common sense when trying to decide if there was consensual sex. Under the new definition, consent isn't as simple as "yes" or "no". For example, in NSW, if a woman is under the influence of alcohol and agrees to have sex, a jury can still find she was assaulted because her capacity to say "yes" was affected by the alcohol. And this has defence lawyers worried.

STEPHEN ODGERS, BARRISTER: It does mean that a person who believes - honestly believes that there's consent, honestly believes that there's "free and voluntary agreement" - to use the new language - can still be convicted.

ADRIAN RASCHELLA: Stephen Odgers is a high-profile Sydney barrister. He believes the introduction of a legal definition of consent will result in innocent people going to jail.

STEPHEN ODGERS: You may well have people who most members of the community don't regard as criminals being criminalised.

NICHOLAS COWDERY, NSW DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS: Alarmist statements that innocent people will be convicted and sent to prison as a result of the change in the law are simply that: alarmist at this stage.

ADRIAN RASCHELLA: Nicholas Cowdery has been the NSW chief prosecutor for 14 years.

NICHOLAS COWDERY: People have been warned: if you now have sex with somebody else, you'd better be sure that that person is consenting to what is going on.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2008/s2422124.htm
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So basically, if it becomes a she said, he said type argument, the accused will lose EVERY single time. Even if there are witnesses to the preceedings like in the real life example.


And the problem is, you may well have consent. Your mates, their mates may well know everything that is going on. But if the girl wakes up in the morning, regrets it etc. says she was drunk and therefore my "yes" meant "no", you are completely ****ed with absolutely no leg to stand on.

Seriously seriously dangerous to the point where you are going to have to have legal waivers next to your bed, just in case... :rolleyes:


And it isn't alarmist, it is already happening. Young, innocent men are having their lives ruined by stupid princesses who think it's funny.
 
MrBurns said:
You're right it's not the judiciary so much as it is the law, BUT the judiciary should be up front and leading the charge for reform of the law but they dont , They powder their wigs and pounce into Court , shame on them.
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The magistrates of the children's court in Perth have spoken out on multiple occasions...

Get in the paper heaps with their thoughts and concerns...
 
Julia said:
The Qld Attorney-General today provoked outrage by saying that some rapes aren't all that serious compared with others. Unbelievably tactless remark.

I can see what he was meaning, i.e. rape with home invasion, assault, injury and violence would have to be worse than a woman saying no after she's said yes, and he's right with the point he was making about the sentence being dictated accordingly.

Sometimes I think there's a case for mandatory sentencing to counteract the wussy pathetic sentences deemed appropriate by some of these soft judges.
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comment later.
 
The Judiciary have just lost the plot. This can happen in any circumstance when people just fail to follow the rules or the law. In the end they get lost completely with decisions being made all over the shop.
 

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