Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid dead!

[numbercruncher]

The Police in the article make a good job of justifying why they had too shoot this kid - BUT the bit ive never got is why they have to shoot them dead, why not the leg or shoulder ??!!

Three cops fired on this knife wielding teenager at once.

Why not a stun gun or hell even throw a fishing net over him.(or something)

I think the shoot to kill policy is wrong and needs changing, the option of the death penalty should be given to our judges not out police officers ESPECIALLY considering the technolgy we have today.

Police have shot dead a 15-year-old boy who they say threatened them with two knives following a brief standoff in a skate park in Melbourne's inner north.

Police said they fired warning shots and used two hits of capsicum spray to subdue the boy, with no apparent effect

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=695956

 

[Fitzroy]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Sorry NC have to disagree.

I live just round the corner from All Nations and I regularly take my 2 year old and 8 week old to this park. If it deters any other teenagers from going around with knifes then the policy works for me.

And being a pommie, we could always have a UK system where police have no power other then to risk themselves to arrest the kids and then have them back on the street after a short period in youth detention!

I feel for the family don't get me wrong, but I can't seem to get carried away defending someone knowingly in the wrond. If the police feel it's the best defence then so be it.

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

I can accept that opinion ....

This guys a kid though, what age would change your mind ..... 14 ... 10 ..... 8 ?


Its easy to subdue somene with todays technology and be non lethal.

If we want to embrace the death penalty on the streets why not in our court rooms ?


AND what sort of example does this set to the rest of society ?? If someone threatens you , you kill them, thats the example and lesson it provides ...

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

I can accept that opinion ....

This guys a kid though, what age would change your mind ..... 14 ... 10 ..... 8 ?


Its easy to subdue somene with todays technology and be non lethal.

If we want to embrace the death penalty on the streets why not in our court rooms ?

I've never understood why Vet tranquilliser guns/darts couldn't be used - even in preference to the other option of front line tasers?

They seem to work just fine and dandy in subduing any number of dangerous "maneaters"!

Of course, Police are trained to kill. I guess we can't take away that ultimate rush for them by issuing pi$$y Tasers or dart guns eh?

 

[tech/a]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Put the knife down!
Put the Knife down!
Put the knife down!

This is why police shoot people with knives.

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?...uries&um=1&hl=en&lr=&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENAU268&sa=X

 

[sam76]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

only shift sargeants etc are issued with Tasers (not sure about Vic).

Front line police are expected to "contain" the situation until the senior cop arrives.

tell that to the iced up ******** coming at you with a syringe/knife.

how many chances did the kid need? Capsicum and warning shots? AFAIK cops aren't supposed to give warning shots.

Spare a thought for the police officers in this situation.

 

[Fitzroy]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Unfortunately we don't know the circumstances of the incident and each is different. Have you seen the size of some of these teenagers these days!!!!

I agree I may have been a bit hasty in my reply but how do we stop it happening?? They are not going to commit a 15yr old to the chair for carrying a knife(s) in a park. And with all the political correctness going on I doubt anyone would actually get the penalty, the appeals and then human rights etc etc etc... by 20 years by the time it happens.

Bring back compulsory cadets and 2yr military service I reckon. Get some real skills and discipline.

 

[wayneL]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Thanks, I really wanted to see that.

Looks more like a machete or Samurai sword attack though to be honest.

 

[tech/a]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Thanks, I really wanted to see that.

Looks more like a machete or Samurai sword attack though to be honest.

Yeh sure does It was a knife!

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Thanks, I really wanted to see that.

Looks more like a machete or Samurai sword attack though to be honest.

Yes Tech that really pretty gross not really needed ??


So if we support shooting Kids with knifes dead , why not apply it to other " crimes " ?

Example a drunk driver who refuses to stop his Car is a hell of a lot more dangerous , could possibly take out a dozen people - instead of trying to pull them over maybe we should send the police helicopter equiped with sniper after them ?

My issue isnt with shooting him its the shoot to KILL policy - three cops shot him in the chest, witnesses report 5 shots - they are administerig the death penalty.

Im all for the death penalty in our courts !

 

[ColB]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

To all the bleeding hearts/sympathisers:

-Have you seen how big some of these 15 year olds are these days?
-As Techa stated there probably would have been several commands for the "YOUTH' (not kid) to drop the knife! (No two knives)
-Capsicum spray used to no effect
- warning shots fired

What more do you want the Police to do. They have a responsibility to contain the situation and no Police force have trained marksmen driving around in the divvy van ready to shoot a knife out of someones hand or pop their kneecap. They are trained to shoot for the main body mass not trained to kill.

As has been said, you have to feel sorry for the offenders family, but then it appears that they have failed to. But I am happy that there is one less of this type of person that could have taken out some innocent person who wouldn't have had the capacity to defend themselves from a person with 2 knives

 

[sam76]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Yes Tech that really pretty gross and not a knife wound. !

looks like one to me.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Maybe we could all arm ourselves with .45 Magnums for protection.

Imagine that! Make my day! No more punks to annoy US!

Works a treat for Unca Sam?



PS: One could consider this a form of "Protectionism"?

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Shows how cultures differ ....

In Greece the nation goes ballistic and riot after Police shoot a 15 year old kid dead ....

Should we shoot people armed with sticks dead too ? how about armed with bare hands, I mean they can snap necks in a secod ?

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Maybe we could all arm ourselves with .45 Magnums for protection.

Imagine that! Make my day! No more punks to annoy US!

Works a treat for Unca Sam?



PS: One could consider this a form of "Protectionism"?

Good plan I feel like I need protection from fellow ASFers lol





Another thing why is it always Victorian Police shooting people dead ? are Victorians more violent or are Victorian police more trigger happy ?

 

[wayneL]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

It was a knife!

Only according to a bloke that claims that he takes carbon fibre bowie knives onto planes.

I'm sure a knife could easily do that sort of damage, but still looks like a sword attack to me... ***not to diminish the seriousness of knives in any way mind you.

BWTFDIK

 

[ColB]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Originally posted by AussieJeff "...Maybe we could all arm ourselves with .45 Magnums for protection.

Imagine that! Make my day! No more punks to annoy US!

Works a treat for Unca Sam?

And what would you do with a 45 magnum aussiejeff when you or you're wife, son, daughter are confronted and asked to give up your mobile or cash or Nike shoes?

Are you going run, talk to him, tell him you'll get his mum and that its going to be alright or is the gunslinger cowboy from Wodonga going to use his 45 to try and disable the thug.

Well if you miss or do not disbale the man with the knife your chances of staying alive are pretty slim.

 

[Panacea]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

What more do you want the Police to do. They have a responsibility to contain the situation and no Police force have trained marksmen driving around in the divvy van ready to shoot a knife out of someones hand or pop their kneecap. They are trained to shoot for the main body mass not trained to kill.

Exactly right. The adrenaline dump that happens in those few seconds is enough to make your hands shake, pulse race, etc. Trying to shoot someone in the leg or arm is unrealistic and dangerous. It's a sad thing, but it has to be done.

 

[Bushman]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Victorian mental health program fails another poor kid. Guaranteed it is either substance abuse (ice, chroming, meth) or he was suffering from schizophrenia or the like. System has so many holes because it is still a taboo subject (to a degree).

Not the cops fault - imagine how scary it would be to have some kid wielding knives approaching you. Also, to be fair to the Victoria police force, the incidence of fatal police shootings have decreased dramatically over the last decade or so. I have thought about nets and the like but how would you apply it?

Also where were the parents? He was 15 years old...

I live in Fairfield (next suburb across from Northcote) and it is a bit close to home.

 

[numbercruncher]

Re: Victorian cops shoot 15 year old kid Dead @!

Exactly right. The adrenaline dump that happens in those few seconds is enough to make your hands shake, pulse race, etc. Trying to shoot someone in the leg or arm is unrealistic and dangerous. It's a sad thing, but it has to be done.

Cops that shake should be issued with Shot guns not Glocks, thats dangerous.


What if our Knife weilding bandit was a Girl with blonde hair and angelic eyes ? Still ok to squeeze 5 rounds into her chest ?