Should Tony Abbott Be Forced To Resign?

[hangseng]

Gaff ? I thought Rudd just annouced the highest results from public opinion polls ... sort of like Australian Idol results except the singers are replaced by policy or current stance on something ...

Says a lot for the polls!

People have short memories, why didn't labour do all they are promising now when they were in for so long?

Get prepared for 17% rates.

 

[Julia]

Whilst I find Tony Abbott a singularly unappealing individual, to suggest he should resign on the basis of today's, umm, misadventures, is simply ridiculous.

I have considerable trouble in imagining Ms Roxon in the important Health portfolio, but did think she capitalised on his non- appearance today with skill and humour.

 

[MS+Tradesim]

WTH has Malcolm Fraser got to do with it? Last I checked he's not trying to be PM this election. I certainly won't be voting for Labor and there's not much choice. We need a new viable third option - balanced, progressive, economically responsible and prepared to implement policy for the big issues.

 

[Scuba]

Says a lot for the polls!

People have short memories, why didn't labour do all they are promising now when they were in for so long?

Get prepared for 17% rates.

Hangseng, whilst I find alot of your posts interesting...

Short memories? 17% rates? How about the %21 rates under Howard the Treasurer?

 

[Boggo]

While I have no special like for Abbott, personally I would trust and respect LESS a man who gets drunk overseas and ends up in a strip club....yet it appears everyone wants him to be PM. This country is headed for a disaster.

Decision time... which is the biggest offence.
An Aussie who goes to a strip club and downs a few beers or one who sends our troops overseas looking for non-existing weapons of mass destruction.

I am not taking sides here but if it was a starting point as to which is most un-Australian.... well you would'nt really need to be employed by NASA to work out who is the massager , although if you could'nt work it out maybe you are employed by NASA

 

[weird]

When was the last time we had a P.M. who was at least bi-lingual?

Bi-lingual? I would personally be more impressed by a PM who said he actually didn't skip through all the poetry parts when reading The Lord of the Rings. Heck I couldn't do that !

Bi-lingual ... that's nice. Running all the facets of our country without having to check an opinion poll before parting his hair, that is even better.

 

[Scuba]

Wierd, can you define "poerty" parts please?:

 

[weird]

http://www.cep.unt.edu/songs/tolkien.html

Thank goodness for editing

 

[2020hindsight]

Perhaps we all will, if I understand your post.

and if I understand your post weird - you condone telling a man (and a dying man at that) that he's pulling a stunt when he requests govt assistance in getting medication for people like him.

thought for the day m8 - "never apologise - your true friends don't need it, and the rest won't believe you anyway".

imo, abbott will be a much nicer person after some time in opposition.

I don't mind that because I'm a politician and I can take it," he said.

perhaps if you were a politician with asbestos-related terminal illness, then you would learn some manners as well

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/31/2076645.htm

Abbott apologises to asbestos campaigner
Posted Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:34am AEDT
Tony Abbott says he phoned Bernie Banton this morning and apologised.

Video: Abbott apologises to asbestos campaigner Banton (ABC News) Federal Health Minister Tony Abbott says he has called anti-asbestos campaigner Bernie Banton to apologise for accusing him of conducting a political stunt.

Yesterday Mr Banton, who has asbestosis, led a group trying to present a petition to Mr Abbott calling for subsidies on a drug that treats the condition.

Mr Abbott later called the delegation's trip a "stunt".

But today Mr Abbott said he had said sorry to Mr Banton.

"I've called him this morning," he told Sky News.

"I've said I'm sorry, he accepted that apology, and he very graciously said he was sorry for exploding," he added.

"I am very sorry, I am very sorry for in any way impugning Bernie's character or motives."

"He is a good bloke, he's passionate about the cause it's an important cause."

Earlier this morning Mr Abbott said Mr Banton had also made "aggressive comments" to him.

"I don't mind that because I'm a politician and I can take it," he said.

"Certainly I think that Bernie has been a fine advocate for people who have been cut down by asbestos-related diseases."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/31/2076505.htm

Apologise to asbestos campaigner, Abbott told
Posted Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:23am AEDT
The Federal Opposition is demanding that Health Minister Tony Abbott publicly apologise for not meeting with noted asbestos campaigner Bernie Banton yesterday.

Mr Banton, who suffers from asbestosis, was leading a group trying to present a petition to Mr Abbott calling for a drug that treats the condition to be subsidised.

"I'm absolutely infuriated that this man has so consistently refused to meet me," he said.

Mr Abbott later called it a stunt.

 

[CanOz]

today wasnt much, but he should resign for being tony abbott. he is an A grade twit.

Now that i agree with!

Why do politicians always look and act like politicans?

It must be a certain breed that is attracted to this career?

Cheers,

 

[hangseng]

Hangseng, whilst I find alot of your posts interesting...

Short memories? 17% rates? How about the %21 rates under Howard the Treasurer?

Point taken but you refer to the then bank bill rate.
"Australia's interest rates reached a record 22 per cent when John Howard was treasurer.
Reality: There are many interest rates. The one that hit 22 per cent in Howard's time as treasurer was the 90-day bank bill rate. That is not set by the Reserve Bank, and is not paid by consumers.
The main interest rates Australians pay are mortgage rates. They peaked in 1982 at 13.5 per cent — well below the 17 per cent they reached under Labor seven years later."
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2007/10/21/1192940936609.html

What have we had since JH has been PM and a Costello as treasurer for the last 3 elections? Low rates, lowest since deregulation not even close to those rates.

I truly am concerned that this could end up in the hands of a bunch of unionists with no idea and learning on the run.

 

[Scuba]

:topic

Way away, but I remembered driving through Northants on my way somewhere listening to someone on the Beeb rattling on about how the area I was driving through was his inspiration for Midddle Earth many years before...

 

[2020hindsight]

weird
tell me please
you'd say that bernie banton was a master actor yes ? - in playing for the sympathy vote ??

 

[weird]

"I've said I'm sorry, he accepted that apology, and he very graciously said he was sorry for exploding," he added.

He said he was sorry, and he received forgiveness ... sounds like something others should practice on both sides of the equation more often. Great article of showing a message of repentance and forgiveness.

 

[2020hindsight]

"I've said I'm sorry, he accepted that apology, and he very graciously said he was sorry for exploding," he added.

He said he was sorry, and he received forgiveness ... sounds like something others should practice on both sides of the equation more often. Great article of showing a message of repentance and forgiveness.

weird

I much prefer "lead us not into temptation"

than

"forgive us our trespasses"

(at least on such matters as calling dying people political stuntsmen
but hey - if that sits ok with your code of ethics - then good luck to you - )

 

[weird]

"Father, forgive me,
for I know so often what I do,
if not before,
or during my offence,
then most certainly thereafter."

- Ted Burge

 

[Scuba]

Point taken but you refer to the then bank bill rate.
"Australia's interest rates reached a record 22 per cent when John Howard was treasurer.
Reality: There are many interest rates. The one that hit 22 per cent in Howard's time as treasurer was the 90-day bank bill rate. That is not set by the Reserve Bank, and is not paid by consumers.
The main interest rates Australians pay are mortgage rates. They peaked in 1982 at 13.5 per cent ”” well below the 17 per cent they reached under Labor seven years later."
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2007/10/21/1192940936609.html

What have we had since JH has been PM and a Costello as treasurer for the last 3 elections? Low rates, lowest since deregulation not even close to those rates.

I truly am concerned that this could end up in the hands of a bunch of unionists with no idea and learning on the run.

Just as I quoted you, you edited(?) a sI had a whole lot more stuff to reply to... OK on the rates, I needed more info anyway...

Main thing though... "What have we had since JH has been PM and a Costello as treasurer for the last 3 elections?"
1 War against terror (How do you delineate terror?)
2 Thousands dead in Iraq, where are the weapons and terrorists who bombed the WTC?
3 $6.6 BILLION contract to buy aircraft that don't match those they are intended to replace...
4 A bill for the Navy's Kaman Seasprites
5 Alexander Downer
6 A distinct lack of government support into renewable energy research (until the election was announced)
Could keep adding to the list but need to sleep at some point...

We have a population around 20 Million, do you really think anyone on the planet could hold our economy up while the rest of the 6 Billion inhabitants of this earth are experiencing a downturn?

C'mon HS, I've read your brilliance...

 

[2020hindsight]

"Father, forgive me,
for I know so often what I do,
if not before,
or during my offence,
then most certainly thereafter."

- Ted Burge

"may neither you, weird, nor Tony Abbott, ever be inflicted with an asbestos related disease"

- 2020

(PS - doesn't matter for me - asbestos can take the fires of hell )

 

[kivvygosh]

where are the weapons and terrorists who bombed the WTC?

The weapons were planes and the terrorists were inside them.

 

[2020hindsight]

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=171157&highlight=abbott#post171157

Tuckey's offence, as outlined in Parliament, was to write several letters on his ministerial letterhead to the South Australian Police Minister. He was asking for leniency on his son's $193 expiation notice, incurred for driving a truckload of seedlings for long distances without a logbook.

Prime Minister John Howard has not used his ministerial code of conduct to sack a minister since 1997. He said that, while Tuckey was "foolish" to use the letterhead, he would not be sacked.

Leader of the House Tony Abbott went further. "He is a man who quite rightly fights for the things he believes in and if, from time to time, this minister goes over the top in a cause in which he believes, that is his nature, that is the nature of the man, that is the way this fine Australian operates," Abbott told Parliament.