University killing in USA

[2020hindsight]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900952.htm
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261951
hatred of the wealthy etc etc
not sure how that fits with accusations of photographing girls legs etc under uni desk which incidentally is what one of his lecturers (lady prof) said on PM last night )

presumably a wealthy person can afford to pay someone else to take the photos

I'll let others comment further.
One sick dude.
You're not OK (hence I judge you unworthy to live), I'm not OK (bang)

what a shame he didn't reverse the order
I'm not OK... end of story.

PS I notice he took off his glasses for this photo before his final killing spree - hopefully he missed a few people as a result

 

[2020hindsight]

Poor form to joke at a time like this but ....

the masochist and the sadist ....

the masochist says to the sadist " HIT ME, HIT ME!!!"

and the sadist grins back and replies "noooo, I wonnn't "

 

[wayneL]

I have had to delete some posts here.

Please, stick to the debate without making personal insults.

Thanks

 

[bel532]

Calm down Bel 352...We only get dial up in our area so I have not got a line open constantly.
Now ,I quickly searched through "Middle East set for disaster' posts and you are right ,as far as I can see you did not advocate bombing Iran.If I did misrepresent what you said ,I unreservedly apologise.
However,I did get the picture of one very aggressive person...pleased with the bombing campaign in Bosnia,aggrieved that the USA had to do the "heavy lifting" in Afghanistan and calling people cowardly.
Do you know how many countries the USA has bombed since WW2?

Do you know how many innocent people have been killed by fanatical Muslims in the last thirty years, starting with the Munich Olympics?

I suppose you consider the bombing of Sebrenica by the Americans (because the Euros didn't have the guts) unacceptable? You obviously would have preferred more slaughter of Bosnian Muslims by the Serbs. And the Dutch received medals for their cowardice!

 

[wayneL]

Do you know how many innocent people have been killed by fanatical Muslims in the last thirty years, starting with the Munich Olympics?

I suppose you consider the bombing of Sebrenica by the Americans (because the Euros didn't have the guts) unacceptable? You obviously would have preferred more slaughter of Bosnian Muslims by the Serbs. And the Dutch received medals for their cowardice!

Probably about 1% of those blown up by fanatical Americans.

 

[nizar]

Bel.
Why cant you just answer the question?

If you dont know, i'll give you a clue, its SEVERAL.
They just done get the same media coverage.

 

[bel532]

Bel.
Why cant you just answer the question?

If you dont know, i'll give you a clue, its SEVERAL.
They just done get the same media coverage.

Save me time. Repeat the question.

 

[bel532]

Bel.
Why cant you just answer the question?

If you dont know, i'll give you a clue, its SEVERAL.
They just done get the same media coverage.

What's the question? Give me a clue.

 

[nizar]

Do you know how many countries the USA has bombed since WW2?

Bel, I mean this question.

 

[happytown]

I remember this as being worded slightly differently, however Elbert Hubbard (US author) at least once exclaimed:

"So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private citizens will occasionally kill theirs"

cheers

 

[Wysiwyg]

I remember this as being worded slightly differently, however Elbert Hubbard (US author) at least once exclaimed:

"So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private citizens will occasionally kill theirs"

cheers

How long do you think man has been killing man?

The mind is a complex distortion of reality.

 

[stoxclimber]

I'm very impressed by the level of maturity shown by all parties.

 

[siempre33]

the plan is to take guns away from the people, I'm convinced of that...

"The so-called Port Arthur massacre, which we were told was carried out by the "lone nut gun man", Martin Bryant, was used to implement National Gun Laws in Australia."

Virginia Tech, another manufactured massacre?
look at this in-depth study of guv black-ops in this regard....

http://www.shootersnews.addr.com/snportarthur.html

 

[happytown]

How long do you think man has been killing man?

string and the question of length

The mind is a complex distortion of reality

particularly to those susceptible to deception, manipulation et al

cheers

 

[2020hindsight]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900952.htm
For the record, although it's serious "diatribe" as they say.
[di·a·tribe = n. A bitter, abusive denunciation].

"You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today," Cho Seung-Hui said in one of 29 video files included in a package of writings, pictures and videos mailed from Blacksburg where Virginia Tech university is located. "But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off.

"Thanks to you I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenceless people," he ranted.

The 23-year-old English major appears to be wearing different clothes and filming himself in different locations in the various clips. "I didn't have to do this. I could have left. I could have fled. But no, I will no longer run. It's not for me. For my children, for my brothers and sisters that you (expletive). I did it for them," Cho said on one of the videos.

He also railed against wealthy students: "Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats? Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs? Your trust fund wasn't enough? Your vodka and cognac weren't enough? All your debaucheries weren't enough? Those weren't enough to fulfil your hedonistic needs? You had everything.

"Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive? Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled on a cross and left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life." NBC said it had turned the material over to the FBI.

You wonder was he the victim of some sort of bullying as a youth maybe? - something ingrained from pre-seven year old memories. ? Shame he didn't pick up on Jesus' message about forgiveness leading to mental health.

 

[Wysiwyg]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900952.htm
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261951
hatred of the wealthy etc etc
not sure how that fits with accusations of photographing girls legs etc under uni desk which incidentally is what one of his lecturers (lady prof) said on PM last night )

presumably a wealthy person can afford to pay someone else to take the photos

I'll let others comment further.
One sick dude.
You're not OK (hence I judge you unworthy to live), I'm not OK (bang)

what a shame he didn't reverse the order
I'm not OK... end of story.

PS I notice he took off his glasses for this photo before his final killing spree - hopefully he missed a few people as a result

Interesting 2020 that in a western or "civilised" society that the killing of humans is more newsworthy or shocking than in an (for example) an African nation where life is considered, duh, less important.

 

[bel532]

Interesting 2020 that in a western or "civilised" society that the killing of humans is more newsworthy or shocking than in an (for example) an African nation where life is considered, duh, less important.

The reason is obvious. In Africa the massacre, mutiliation and killing of 'innocents' is almost a daily occurence, and, unfortunately, to a certain degree, we become immune to it. Prime examples are :

Ruanda, .

Darfur,

Somalia and, last, but not least

Zambia

It is a very sad fact that, compared to Western countries, the killing of humans on a comparatively large scale is quite common in Africa and to a lesser degree in parts of South America and Asia.

This daily occurence dulls the senses and we assume it is all a part of living in those countries. This is the reason that some people in the West suffer, from what is known as 'aid fatigue', especially in regards to Africa. What has the billions of dollars donated to that continent ever achieved except to line the pockets of brutal dictators?

 

[Wysiwyg]

The reason is obvious. In Africa the massacre, mutiliation and killing of 'innocents' is almost a daily occurence, and, unfortunately, to a certain degree, we become immune to it. Prime examples are :

Ruanda, .

Darfur,

Somalia and, last, but not least

Zambia

It is a very sad fact that, compared to Western countries, the killing of humans on a comparatively large scale is quite common in Africa and to a lesser degree in parts of South America and Asia.

This daily occurence dulls the senses and we assume it is all a part of living in those countries. This is the reason that some people in the West suffer, from what is known as 'aid fatigue', especially in regards to Africa. What has the billions of dollars donated to that continent ever achieved except to line the pockets of brutal dictators?

bel532... To send a U.N. army to these lawless nations and go through them like a dose of salts would have to be easier than trying to alter the psyche of Iraqis.

Like beauty, justice is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[2020hindsight]

Interesting 2020 that in a western or "civilised" society that the killing of humans is more newsworthy or shocking than in an (for example) an African nation where life is considered, duh, less important.

got me thinking here wysiwyg
1. I guess you're referring to their relative acceptance of such crazed behaviour - and I'm sure bel is right when he says they become, if not "immune to it", then certainly their senses are "deadened to the daily occurrence".
2. hence you'd think if anyone was entitled to go crazy, it would be these poor people in the refugee camps
3. same goes for the level of suspect sanity in detention camps in Aus of course,
4. the flip side also is the relative "newsworthiness CNN style" of one "western" life compared to one of "the third world"

e.g. when they write about something like the Tsunami in Aceh, compared to the EQ in San Fran for instance
apart from the fact that one was a 7.1 richter EQ compared to 9.1 (which I think is 100 times more powerful), there was several orders of magnitude more people killed. Needless to say, both were horrible things to hear about , but so often in the news "six killed in USA/Canada/Aus etc" takes headlines over "1600 killed in EQ in third world - even distant "cousins" in first world - such as regions around Turkey for goodness sake, and we are about to celebrate Anzac with them as brothers !

Partial list of earthquake dead released. Killed in (1989) San Francisco included Jeffrey Choi, 50; Yuk Lin Lau, 34; Scott Dickinson, 3 1/2 months; Donald McGlinchy, 59; and Diane Laufer, 40. Timothy Moss, 40, of San Francisco, was killed on the Cypress Freeway.

Portland Red Cross chapter shipped bread and other supplies to earthquake victims in San Francisco.

President Bush {senior} arrived at Moffett Field Naval Air Station to tour areas damaged by earthquake. He was briefed by civic leaders, including Mayor Agnos.

...Tass news agency reported that the Soviet government offered to send doctors, geologists and rescue workers to assist with San Francisco earthquake relief.
.......
October 24, 1989
USGS today revised upward the magnitude of the Oct. 17 earthquake, from 6.9 to 7.1 on the Richter scale, after checking data from 18 seismic stations around the world.

Bank America Corp. shares dropped $1.25 on the New York Stock Exchange on an unfounded rumor that the bank's California and Kearny Street headquarters building was damaged by the earthquake. A bank spokesman said that the structure was not harmed by the temblor and isn't owned by the bank.
...
Congress began debate on an earthquake relief bill. "We were hit by ten times the amount of explosive power of World War II, including the atomic bomb," said Rep. Nancy Pelosi, "Please give us a chance to rebuild." A Wisconsin congressman complained that the median home price in San Francisco is $350,000, and Californians don't need help because of their waste and affluence.

First major convention since the earthquake opened at the Civic Auditorium. Don Dowd, spokesman for the Computer-Aided Software Engineering Conference and Exposition said, "Our keynote speaker addressed a full house and our exhibits are open as scheduled, with about 1,500 delegates in attendance. No one here is talking about the earthquake - they're talking about improving their information technology systems."

October 25, 1989
USGS scientists said there was a 50-50 chance that an earthquake big enough to cause more damage will strike during the next two months and urges officials to prepare.

Evangelist Billy Graham toured the Marina District today. "I don't think we can say this earthquake was sent by God," he said. "We have to keep in mind that he is a God of love, mercy. Why this earthquake took place, I can't explain. I can only explain God gives grace, peace, and strength to those who trust in Him."

TSUNAMI IN ACEH. On 26 December 2004, a 9.1-magnitude underwater earthquake caused a tremendous tsunami that devastated Aceh Province, Indonesia, resulting in the deaths of some 128,715 people (as of 18 April 2005). This tragedy evoked great concern internationally. Governments, multilateral organizations, international, national and local NGOs, religious organizations, ethnic organizations, professional organizations, educational institutions and others have rushed to provide aid to the people of Aceh.

note estimate increased ..."More than 200,000 people were killed when an earthquake beneath the ocean sent giant waves crashing ashore". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4559404.stm

note "We were hit by ten (10) times the amount of explosive power of World War II, including the atomic bomb," hence..
"they were hit by 1,000 times the amount of explosive power of World War II, including etc,"

 

[2020hindsight]

This daily occurence dulls the senses and we assume it is all a part of living in those countries. This is the reason that some people in the West suffer, from what is known as 'aid fatigue', especially in regards to Africa. What has the billions of dollars donated to that continent ever achieved except to line the pockets of brutal dictators?

I have this discussion with my daughter on a regular basis - she is however still hell bent on going to Africa to work in an orphanage - so maybe the next generation are more open minded (hope so)