University killing in USA

[nizar]

And who cares anyway? They are Americans. It's not like we are grieving for the 50 or so Iraqis the yanks are killing each day.

Solid point.
I agree.

 

[2020hindsight]

Well, maybe the question is why is the US so different from other countries who have just as high a percentage of gun ownership. eg Canada, Germany.

I have always thought the main threat to US security will come from within and not from external terrorist threats.

Yep I'd agree prospector.
No question rampant gun ownership makes it easier for the rabid baddies to be armed, end of story. To argue guns because "it means that the goodies can also be armed" has gotta be crazy.
I mean, it's not as if you'll get the first shot in (you can bet on that one!)

As for assault weapons, automatics, semi automatics sheesh - madness. You don't need a semiautomatic to shoot a deer - I mean it's unlikely to shoot back for chrissake - take a lead from "the Deerhunter" and only use one round

And surely we in Aus are on the right track - surely we have a better chance of rounding up criminals (incl terrorists I guess) if all we have to do is find them in possession of an illegal weapon and that carries a substantial jail term - although
a) that's rarely reported I concede, and
b) it is the same principle as disarming the Solomon Islanders using unarmed Aussie policemen - they have more effect that armed ones - but try telling that to an American

PS I'm told the term "redneck" is illegal in USA. -
PS maybe that should read a very "ill eagle "

 

[bel532]

Lol! Yeah, but in Australia we give nutjobs guns. They are called soldiers.

And who cares anyway? They are Americans. It's not like we are grieving for the 50 or so Iraqis the yanks are killing each day.

Just another "caring contest"!

Get it right. The Iraquis are killing each other, Sunni v Shia etec etc..

 

[chops_a_must]

Get it right. The Iraquis are killing each other, Sunni v Shia etec etc..

So why are we compensating families for the people we are killing?

Get it right. Geez.

 

[bel532]

I can think of two economic policies - GST and workplace reform. Aside from those, what significant policy has the government enacted to support this boom? To my mind, they're riding on the coat tails of the changes put in place by Keating and previous labour governments.


Howard's liberals have squandered a fantastic opportunity, control of both houses of parliament, by not taking on the big issue facing Australia's economy - the inefficient, unweildy tax system. The tax act makes a fantastic door stop, but for everything else its many times too big. I'd love to see a simpler tax system - lower rates of tax offset by fewer deductions, and the resulting reduced collection costs.

Lets not get too carried away. Politicans are faced with much worse every day. Keating-esque insults like that are part of their business.

But they are TWO very IMPORTANT changes to our econonmic policies and should not be dismissed so lightly. And, of course, you have not mentioned the Trade Agreement with the USA, which, over time, will benefit OZ.


Everyone wants a simple tax system, but it seems beyond the capabilities of any political party to achieve. Do you remember the Simple Tax system introduced by Keating that was anything but simple and, accordingly, was aborted before it was born?

 

[bel532]

I can think of two economic policies - GST and workplace reform. Aside from those, what significant policy has the government enacted to support this boom? To my mind, they're riding on the coat tails of the changes put in place by Keating and previous labour governments.

Howard's liberals have squandered a fantastic opportunity, control of both houses of parliament, by not taking on the big issue facing Australia's economy - the inefficient, unweildy tax system. The tax act makes a fantastic door stop, but for everything else its many times too big. I'd love to see a simpler tax system - lower rates of tax offset by fewer deductions, and the resulting reduced collection costs.

Lets not get too carried away. Politicans are faced with much worse every day. Keating-esque insults like that are part of their business.

Yep thats so true.
Those Yanks are so obsessed about anti-terrorism and airport checks etc, but if all they did was put security at the school gate they wouldve been able to stop so many deaths.
I mean, they had 2 hours notice...

And they sent an email? LOL wat a joke.

Are you really suggesting that there is no threat from fanatical Muslim terrorists? If you are, then you must be living in cuckoo land, or, like an alcoholic, living in denial.

 

[bel532]

So why are we compensating families for the people we are killing?

Get it right. Geez.

YOU get it right. By far the MAJORITY of deaths in Iraq are due to fantical Iraquis killing each other or, is your mnd so prejudiced, you can't see what's in front of very own eyes?.

 

[Kimosabi]

When will the Americans learn that guns kill?

Guns are cool, ban bullets...

 

[doctorj]

But they are TWO very IMPORTANT changes to our econonmic policies and should not be dismissed so lightly. And, of course, you have not mentioned the Trade Agreement with the USA, which, over time, will benefit OZ.

Two 'important' economic policies rolled out in the last 10+ years. I'm not sure that's anything to be ranting about.

Everyone wants a simple tax system, but it seems beyond the capabilities of any political party to achieve. Do you remember the Simple Tax system introduced by Keating that was anything but simple and, accordingly, was aborted before it was born?

My history on this isn't so good, but there is a Simple Tax System in the Tax Act that various people can qualify to use. I don't know if this was introduced by the Keating government, but good luck if he did.

There isn't a lack of political ability to simplify the tax system, but intead to my mind a lack of political will.

Are you really suggesting that there is no threat from fanatical Muslim terrorists? If you are, then you must be living in cuckoo land, or, like an alcoholic, living in denial.

There's also a significant threat from fanatical Americans (one has the keys to the oval office now, in my opinion), but that's beside the point. I believe the threat from Muslims is over represented as that's where the political will is right now. There are many other great threats to human rights going on at this very moment (Zimbabwe, much of North Africa, China etc etc), but we here about the muslims. Ironically, this aids the terrorists cause as innocent moderates caught in the cross fire are easily converted into angry extremists.

YOU get it right. By far the MAJORITY of deaths in Iraq are due to fantical Iraquis killing each other or, is your mnd so prejudiced, you can't see what's in front of very own eyes?.

There's a bigger issue at play here. There's significant evidence that particular groups within Iraq are being supplied and encouraged by Iran in sort of a proxy war with the US. Soldiers are dying, iraqis are dying and children are dying. I'd wager there wouldn't be anywhere near the number of deaths in iraq every day if the americans weren't there. For every 1 innocent american person that died at the hands of terrorists on september 11, dozens of innocent iraqis have died directly as a result of actions of the coalition fores. Who are the terrorists now?

One thing we can all agree on is this is a tragedy. 50 odd people had their lives ended or significantly affected by the actions of a single person a couple of days ago. A whole community will never be the same. I applaud Australian gun laws and if anything, believe they could go further. The american gun lobby has more blood on its hands this week.

 

[chops_a_must]

YOU get it right. By far the MAJORITY of deaths in Iraq are due to fantical Iraquis killing each other or, is your mnd so prejudiced, you can't see what's in front of very own eyes?.

You are right. I can't see fantics in front of my own eyes because I have no idea what the hell they are.

I don't care if Islamic groups are killing each other more than we are. The point was that western nations are killing civillians.

 

[ironchef]

LOL ITS BEL532 EVERYONE our young victim of right-wing rhetoric.

Bel532 will have you believe that before the Americans invaded Iraq, there was no electricity, water supply, daily massacres, basic standard of living in Iraq. (which are simply true!)

He'll also brand you as a terrorist/spy/idiot/non-patriot if you question his views and opinions (and rightly so!!! Damn you if you can't comprehend 'simple truth'). We should all remember that he's right and we're all wrong...

Don't you like the truth? Maybe it hurts too much.

Sounds like emasculated DRIBBLE to me. It might be better to keep it to yourself and dhukka or it might be contagious and we will all be spouting the same dribble!

Get it right. The Iraquis are killing each other, Sunni v Shia etec etc..

You and dhukka obviously do not have very good reading skills

The use of swear and abusive language is usually a sign of a person with very poor language skills and/or very poor logical thought. I wonder where you fit in?

you can't see what's in front of very own eyes?.

Are you really suggesting that there is no threat from fanatical Muslim terrorists? If you are, then you must be living in cuckoo land, or, like an alcoholic, living in denial.

I suspected that there might be a link between Islamic Barbarian Terrorist Killers (that hate freedom, candy and rainbows) and this 23 year Korean dude... bel532 has cleared it up for us... its no longer a suspicion.. its now FACT



This was all from this thread.... For all of you interested in bel532's other teachings and prophecies please visit: The Gold Mine of Unbiased Information... There is much to learn from this man.

 

[constable]

YOU get it right. By far the MAJORITY of deaths in Iraq are due to fantical Iraquis killing each other or, is your mnd so prejudiced, you can't see what's in front of very own eyes?.

Is it possible bel for you to debate seriously without stooping to personal insults to highlight your points? or was the whole thread set up for this reason? because it seems as though anyone who presents an opinion against yours you immediately ridicule them! Try a little more tact big fella!

 

[bel532]

LOL ITS BEL532 EVERYONE our young victim of right-wing rhetoric.

Bel532 will have you believe that before the Americans invaded Iraq, there was no electricity, water supply, daily massacres, basic standard of living in Iraq. (which are simply true!)

He'll also brand you as a terrorist/spy/idiot/non-patriot if you question his views and opinions (and rightly so!!! Damn you if you can't comprehend 'simple truth'). We should all remember that he's right and we're all wrong...


I suspected that there might be a link between Islamic Barbarian Terrorist Killers (that hate freedom, candy and rainbows) and this 23 year Korean dude... bel532 has cleared it up for us... its no longer a suspicion.. its now FACT

This was all from this thread.... For all of you interested in bel532's other teachings and prophecies please visit: The Gold Mine of Unbiased Information... There is much to learn from this man.

What on earth is all your babble about? I presume from this babble that you support terrorism. Is that right? Then please leave this country and live with those people (mad Muslim terrorists) you so admire. You could ask Hicks where to go, I am sure he can help you.

 

[bel532]

Is it possible bel for you to debate seriously without stooping to personal insults to highlight your points? or was the whole thread set up for this reason? because it seems as though anyone who presents an opinion against yours you immediately ridicule them! Try a little more tact big fella!

I suggest that you, and your mates on this site, learn some tact and stop abusing the English language!

 

[BIG BWACULL]

I suggest that you, and your mates on this site, learn some tact and stop abusing the English language!

No you stop it, no you stop it, no you stop it, MUMMY he wont stop it. Bel get to your room LOL

 

[junmonkey]

The guy wasn't american he was a chinese national on a student visa and attended that college...does that make a difference? At least this time an american didn't do it.

Actually, I think it was a young korean man who stayed in the US since 1992, meaning he was brought up in the US. I think if he was brought up in Korea, he would have just killed himself and not the others.

 

[2020hindsight]

I suggest that you, and your mates on this site, learn some tact and stop abusing the English language!

Well hell I think the english language is a F***ing joke for a start!!

 

[nizar]

Are you really suggesting that there is no threat from fanatical Muslim terrorists? If you are, then you must be living in cuckoo land, or, like an alcoholic, living in denial.

Oh yeh, on this point, if the bloke wasnt Asian, instead Arab or from Middle Eastern or Muslim background, he wouldve been labelled as a TERRORIST for sure.

Interestingly enough, i havent seen him mentioned with the word terrorist.

Gotta love the media

 

[robert toms]

Are you the same bel352 that advocates that the Americans bomb anyone that disagrees with them...or that they deem troublesome to them ?
If so,you must have a sneaking admiration for the gunman in this killing spree.He did not negotiate ...just shot the living daylights out of them.
Do you deem violence as a first resort acceptable?
Perhaps this murderer gained inspiration from Rambo,Bruce Willis,Arnie Schwarzenegger,the Coalition of the Willing,posts on ASF...who knows?
You wanted the Americans to bomb the Iranians as a first resort...blessed are the peacemakers....
I think that anyone that has had even a passing acquaintance with violence tries to avoid it ...there are some that are fascinated by it,as long as they are not on the receiving end of course !

 

[wayneL]

I reckon Bel's after Bill O'Reilly's job on Fox