University killing in USA

[bel532]

What a stupid comment, guns don't kill, people kill

I can't totally disagree with you, but possessing weapons, especially guns, makes killing easier!

 

[dhukka]

Sounds like emasculated DRIBBLE to me. It might be better to keep it to yourself and dhukka or it might be contagious and we will all be spouting the same dribble!

You and dhukka obviously do not have very good reading skills as I did not attribute all the benefits of the sound economy over the last eleven years to the Liberal Government. But to deny that its policies had a significant influence on the economy is to deny reality.

It would also be welcome if you did not use foul, abusive language.

Well what would be the point of a forum if we kept our opinions to ourselves? Even though your opinions sound like they come from the back of a cornflakes packet I welcome your views. More grist for the mill.

If my language offends your delicate sensibilities maybe you should put your bible down and pick up a linguistics book. I recommend Practical English Usage by Michael Swan. It has a whole chapter devoted to the use of swear words and their very practical application to the English language.

 

[doctorj]

But to deny that its policies had a significant influence on the economy is to deny reality

I can think of two economic policies - GST and workplace reform. Aside from those, what significant policy has the government enacted to support this boom? To my mind, they're riding on the coat tails of the changes put in place by Keating and previous labour governments.

Howard's liberals have squandered a fantastic opportunity, control of both houses of parliament, by not taking on the big issue facing Australia's economy - the inefficient, unweildy tax system. The tax act makes a fantastic door stop, but for everything else its many times too big. I'd love to see a simpler tax system - lower rates of tax offset by fewer deductions, and the resulting reduced collection costs.

It would also be welcome if you did not use foul, abusive language.

Lets not get too carried away. Politicans are faced with much worse every day. Keating-esque insults like that are part of their business.

 

[dhukka]

I can think of two economic policies - GST and workplace reform. Aside from those, what significant policy has the government enacted to support this boom? To my mind, they're riding on the coat tails of the changes put in place by Keating and previous labour governments.

Exactly, in the words of Paul Keating:

"Costello must wake up every morning and think there is a rainbow shining out of his ********" from the Latham diaries.

 

[bel532]

Well what would be the point of a forum if we kept our opinions to ourselves? Even though your opinions sound like they come from the back of a cornflakes packet I welcome your views. More grist for the mill.

If my language offends your delicate sensibilities maybe you should put your bible down and pick up a linguistics book. I recommend Practical English Usage by Michael Swan. It has a whole chapter devoted to the use of swear words and their very practical application to the English language.

The use of swear and abusive language is usually a sign of a person with very poor language skills and/or very poor logical thought. I wonder where you fit in?

If, in your opinion, my ideas come from the back of a cornflakes packet, your ideas, judging by your language, must come from the bottom of a garbage bin.

 

[wayneL]

The use of swear and abusive language is usually a sign of a person with very poor language skills and/or very poor logical thought. I wonder where you fit in?

If, in your opinion, my ideas come from the back of a cornflakes packet, your ideas, judging by your language, must come from the bottom of a garbage bin.

What's worse, a bit of colourful language, or extreme sycophancy/partisanship?

BTW the swearing => poor language skills link is a non sequitur. My best man at my wedding has an IQ of 150 and language skills I can only covet, yet drops the F word frequently and liberally.

It is just an entrenched part of Australian idiom. (and nearly everywhere else too)

 

[2020hindsight]

Keating-esque insults like that are part of their business.

Keating had people grovelling around in vomit as I recall . nothing if not vivid, lol.

IMO Johnny H did a good job getting rid of guns after Port Arthur (one of his first real tests), but obviously the gun lobby would disagree, and cripes, I wish they were paying as much attention to preventing "re-stocking" of pistols etc coming through customs - allegedly easily available for organised criminals

Final comment. Why o why do these people have to kill other happy, mentally healthy, onlookers before killing themselves. Why don't they just cut to the final act of the play , and skip the rest

Wayne, here's something to remind you of your best man - Mind you , trouble with being best man, you never get a chance to F***ing prove it

This bloke in the cartoon would give Billy Connolly a run for his money lol. Billy C without his F***ing vocab would be like Sampson without his F***ing hair lol.

 

[dhukka]

The use of swear and abusive language is usually a sign of a person with very poor language skills and/or very poor logical thought. I wonder where you fit in?

More grade school platitudes and easily the 2nd funniest thing I've read today. Keep them coming.

 

[Prospector]

Well, maybe the question is why is the US so different from other countries who have just as high a percentage of gun ownership. eg Canada, Germany.

I have always thought the main threat to US security will come from within and not from external terrorist threats.

 

[Boyou]

Hi all concerned citizens. Seems to me this thread has mostly gone off the rails.Started out as a response to yet another senseless act and has deteriorated into Right/Left political slugfest... Ho Hum.


I won't get involved that

But I would like to comment on wayne L's words...that guns greatly enhance our ability to kill. I think the operative word here is LEVERAGE.The gunman certainly had lots of that when he opened fire on (presumabely) unsuspecting pupils.He had the will and the gun supplied the leverage

It's a sad day..


Cheers Y'all

 

[drillinto]

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[Buster]

Hey Dhuk..

The truth? Well the truth can be relative but here is my version of it. John Howard is a lying, weak, emasculated whelp with his face firmly implanted in the illiterate chimp G.W. Bush's ********. He has consistently lied on various issues and went against public opinion to send troops to Iraq the justification for which was based on more lies.

Sounds like you've described pretty much any politician to me..

Little Johnny boy was in the right place at the right time and any suggestion that Australia's current prosperity has anything to do with Liberal party politics is a joke.

Can't agree here though, after seeing the mess the previous Govt made, and the tough calls that Johnny and Co initially had to make to turn things around, I think that some good calls (be them flukes/lucky timing or meditated) have been made..

No I'm not a sychophantic labour supporter.

Nor I, However I'm a firm believer of the 'if it aint broke dont fix it' and 'better the devil you know' Philosophy. Some may say there is plenty broken, but I believe not so much as in the past..

As I've said previously.. POLITICS = Poly (many) tics (blood sucking parasites)..

[on topic] Many years ago when I was (ironically) on a 'Advanced Gun Course' we had an American instructor flown out who made a comment during the 'Bryant' shootings in Tazzie, that this would'nt happen in the US as many people carry guns.. His mentality was the by the time the gunman (or woman) had shot 2 or 3 people, the little ol' lady (or man) in the next room/aisle/house would pull out her six shooter from the handbag and blow him away..

Couldn't get through to him that one armed nut every 4 or 5 years killing 20 - 30 is preferable to 20 -30 armed nuts killing 2 or 3 people every year..

And YES!!! We should grieve for the INNOCENT victims and the relatives/friends of those killed and wounded, it's a terribly sad and traumatic time for them.. can't believe anyone could be so blasé as to ask why..

Regards,

Buster

 

[constable]

Hi all concerned citizens. Seems to me this thread has mostly gone off the rails.Started out as a response to yet another senseless act and has deteriorated into Right/Left political slugfest... Ho Hum.


Cheers Y'all

sory boyou id woz all my folt , i just tryed to say dat johney wood be on the rocknroll wid out work and dat da yanks can take him ova , but dat bel bloke got real pooey an dafensiv on hes own fread ova it! i he wants da fight bout how com he's got gooda speling and wryting and betta than me im gonna meet him at da lock room at playtime

 

[Boyou]

Way too funny constable!


I am amazed ..and chagrined by your riposte!

BTW I note you are a Ballarat boy.I was born in that fair city.Spent the first 23 years of my life in Wendouree.Small world ..is it not? May I enquire of your history in in 'rat?

Cheers Ya'll

 

[insider]

You know what... this stuff never happens at TAFE... if you want to be safe go to TAFE...

 

[2020hindsight]

Interesting that Clinton stood up to the gun lobby, at least to stop imported assault weapons - but that it has since lapsed under Bush.
The problem in USA is obviously endemic. Does anyone still think that Lee Oswald acted alone for instance. Or that the assassinations of both JFK and of Martin Luther King weren't seriously sinister slurs on the entire establishment.

we have all seen countless westerns with a bunch of hombre blokes
who will shoot up any pest 'n who makes war zones look a hoax
when they're tired of their incestin, using bullet holes for jokes
then John Wayne or Charlton Heston use the corpse to put out smokes.

you'd have thought that in Australia , given our ancestral roots
we'd be equally a failure when it came to bar room coots
...
now they handcuff you and jail ya if you own a thing that shoots
...
now our menfolk use a dahlia to impress a girl. - and suits

 

[Halba]

The guy wasn't american he was a chinese national on a student visa and attended that college...does that make a difference? At least this time an american didn't do it.

 

[moXJO]

I was on reading an American forum board last night and they were 99% against banning guns(It was actually 100% but maybe I missed one post in a real long thread).Their argument was that if someone had a gun they could of shot him.Arguments also popped up that a criminal was less likely to come to your place of work or home if he knew you were armed.Also that the people if armed ,could rise up against the government if need be.Hitler disarming the people before slaughtering the jews was given as an example.

There were a few AUS and CADs trying to reason but it fell on deaf ears.They fully believe that guns protect their way of life.That and they believe they are the greatest nation on earth.And after a ribbing told aussie posters that AUS has just upgraded from mud huts, are a 3rd world country, need US to fight our battles and our broadband is gumtrees with wires with cups on the end.Well they got one right.

 

[chops_a_must]

Children need to be taught about how to stay mentally stable so these sorts of tragedies do not occur.

Lol! Yeah, but in Australia we give nutjobs guns. They are called soldiers.

And who cares anyway? They are Americans. It's not like we are grieving for the 50 or so Iraqis the yanks are killing each day.

Just another "caring contest"!

 

[nizar]

Well, maybe the question is why is the US so different from other countries who have just as high a percentage of gun ownership. eg Canada, Germany.

I have always thought the main threat to US security will come from within and not from external terrorist threats.

Yep thats so true.
Those Yanks are so obsessed about anti-terrorism and airport checks etc, but if all they did was put security at the school gate they wouldve been able to stop so many deaths.
I mean, they had 2 hours notice...

And they sent an email? LOL wat a joke.