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Trump 2.0

If this works, the world will be changed and a better place. If it fails, it will be more of the same.

It has been tried before, in the 1970's, but the UN failed.

What choice do we have, but to wait and see.

Netenyahoo did a little second look when that was announced. Not sure if he was really in on it.

The Leftards are going to go absolutely bananas on this one.

Two state solution? From the River to the sea? The UN is going to explode.

Haven't seen Bandt throwing a tantrum just yet. Can't wait.
 
Believe his son in law is going to get the best beach location for a development! Win win.
Just got to get rid of the inhabitants. Maybe they could set a Palestinian State in the desert region of Egypt adjacent?

It will be good to see some private money for business development start, might get the Saudi's involved, starting with the royal family.
 
It will be good to see some private money for business development start, might get the Saudi's involved, starting with the royal family.
You reckon the Israeli's would let them? I doubt it.
Plenty of US and Jewish money anyway. Would have thought there would be big profits to be made.

Just saw this:

The Saudi Arabian government, a major US ally and regional power in the Middle East, has released a very strong statement following Trump's press conference, stating a few "non-negotiables" on the status of Gaza.
  • It rejects any attempts to displace Palestinian people from their land.
  • It will not establish formal relations with Israel without the creation of an independent Palestinian state.
  • The support of such a state is "firm and unwavering" and is not be interpreted otherwise.
 
The Leftards are going to go absolutely bananas on this one.

TBH its the conservatives that are going nuts over it, they remember the consequences of war in the middle east.

You would have to be a cult follower to believe it, if it happens then Australian lives will be likely lost supporting another bad adventure in the middle east.

Irony is we still get hammered by the Trump tariffs
 
You reckon the Israeli's would let them? I doubt it.
Plenty of US and Jewish money anyway. Would have thought there would be big profits to be made.

Just saw this:

The Saudi Arabian government, a major US ally and regional power in the Middle East, has released a very strong statement following Trump's press conference, stating a few "non-negotiables" on the status of Gaza.
  • It rejects any attempts to displace Palestinian people from their land.
  • It will not establish formal relations with Israel without the creation of an independent Palestinian state.
  • The support of such a state is "firm and unwavering" and is not be interpreted otherwise.

I reckon nothing, I wait and see before making assumptions.

So far, we have heard that Trump's tariffs were going to kill the world economy, then we see that Canada and Mexico negotiated a deal.

We heard that if Trump won the presidency the end of the world was nigh, instead we have seen orderly transition, and the promises made during the election process are now being implemented.

I will comment, but I will not assume on what will happen during the negotiation phases.
 
TBH its the conservatives that are going nuts over it, they remember the consequences of war in the middle east.

You would have to be a cult follower to believe it, if it happens then Australian lives will be likely lost supporting another bad adventure in the middle east.

Irony is we still get hammered by the Trump tariffs
I am sure there is clever way out of this.
For instance, Israel takes the best land to the north to build the resort and provides new 30 storey apartment living for the Gaza dwellers (my friend says there are no such thing as Palestinians) over a much smaller area.

You can put parkland on top of these buildings nowadays so it won't be that cramped. They might be able to see the sea from the top. And if they revolt, it will be over far more quickly.
 
TBH its the conservatives that are going nuts over it, they remember the consequences of war in the middle east.

You would have to be a cult follower to believe it, if it happens then Australian lives will be likely lost supporting another bad adventure in the middle east.

Irony is we still get hammered by the Trump tariffs

Everyone should be going nuts on this one, it's way out of the box. But, the Left will be particularly rabid.
 
So far, we have heard that Trump's tariffs were going to kill the world economy, then we see that Canada and Mexico negotiated a deal.

Unless there is further movement what's been announced mostly was already agreed to last year under Biden.

So what is the point other than ego grandstanding?

Problem with Trump and more so with his administration is when you cannot measure the risk then the risk is open ended i.e. extreme.

How can companies commit capital under those circumstances?
 
Unless there is further movement what's been announced mostly was already agreed to last year under Biden.

So what is the point other than ego grandstanding?

Problem with Trump and more so with his administration is when you cannot measure the risk then the risk is open ended i.e. extreme.

How can companies commit capital under those circumstances?

I don't know, and these are issues that no one outside of the USA can have any influence on.

As for companies having difficulty committing capital, well there has been no major capital investment from companies for the past 3 or 4 years. They can't compete with governments throwing vast amounts of money at every vote buying exercise available.



 
“You have to learn from history, you just can’t let it keep repeating itself,” Trump said. “I don’t want to be cute, I don’t want to be a wise guy, but ‘the Riviera of the Middle East.’” Trump, a longtime global property developer, said he wanted it to be done “world-class” and said a future development could be “so magnificent.”


Five takeaways from the Trump-Netanyahu press conference

President Donald Trump hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House on Tuesday for the first bilateral press conference and Oval Office meeting with a foreign leader of his second term.
Here were the top takeaways on the Middle East:

Future for Israel and developing Gaza

Trump, likening Gaza to a demolition site, repeated his sentiments from earlier in the day that millions of Palestinians should leave Gaza for neighbouring countries, perhaps permanently, doubling down on a proposal that has been rejected by Arab countries and the Palestinians themselves.

“The US will take over the Gaza Strip … level the site, get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area,” Trump said at the press conference.

Trump also didn’t rule out sending US troops to the Gaza Strip. During his meeting with Netanyahu ahead of the press conference, Trump called for Palestinians to be permanently relocated out of Gaza, which he has described as “hell.” Trump said the developments in surrounding nations will result in “thousands of jobs and they’ll be jobs for everyone, not just a specific group of people but jobs for everyone.”

“I have a feeling that the king in Jordan and the general in Egypt will open their hearts and give us the kind of land that we need to get this done,” Trump said.

‘Riviera of the Middle East’

Trump said he envisioned a redeveloped Gaza Strip, where people from all nations lived, including Palestinians. He said the current situation, with both Israel and Palestinians seeking to live in the area, was unsustainable – as evidenced by the fighting for the past year. Asked if that meant he didn’t support a two-state solution, Trump said: “It doesn’t mean anything about a two-state or one-state or any other state, it means that we want to give people a chance at life because the Gaza Strip has been a hell hole.”

“You have to learn from history, you just can’t let it keep repeating itself,” Trump said. “I don’t want to be cute, I don’t want to be a wise guy, but ‘the Riviera of the Middle East.’” Trump, a longtime global property developer, said he wanted it to be done “world-class” and said a future development could be “so magnificent.”

More pressure on Iran

Trump said that the two world leaders would continue to push back against Iran developing nuclear weapons by “enforcing the most aggressive possible sanctions” to drive Iran’s oil exports “to zero.” Trump said that without oil purchases, Hezbollah would become weakened. Trump took credit for weakening Iran during his first term, and on Tuesday signed a memorandum reimposing tougher policy on Iran.

Trump said that he “hated doing it” but that it needed to be done to restrict terrorism.

“They cannot have a nuclear weapon, it’s very simple.”

“We’re both committed to rolling back Iran’s aggression in the region and ensuring that Iran never develops a nuclear weapon,” Netanyahu said.

What’s next for ceasefire

The meeting between Trump and Netanyahu comes at a critical moment for the Middle East. Negotiations for a second phase of the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas are expected to begin soon.

Trump said that he hopes the delicate ceasefire in place between Hamas and Israel holds.

“I’m hopeful that this ceasefire could be the beginning of a larger and more enduring peace that will end the bloodshed and killing once and for all,” Trump told reporters. He said that he was working to build American strength in the region, and noted that the US on Tuesday withdrew from the United Nations Human Rights Council and ended support for the UN Relief and Works Agency.

No love lost for Biden

Both leaders offered digs – some implied, others overt – at former President Joe Biden.

Trump, with Netanyahu occasionally nodding alongside him, blamed his predecessor Joe Biden for “not so many victories in the past four years, ” saying that “the horrors of October 7 would never have happened if I were president.” Netanyahu, in response, called Trump “the greatest friend Israel has ever had in the White House,” noting that in his first term, Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv and brokered the Abraham Accords, which established diplomatic relations between Israel, Bahrain and the Emirates.

Moving to Trump’s second nascent presidency, Netanyahu spoke of the recently brokered ceasefire – and Trump’s decision to send a supply of 2000-pound bombs to Israel that Biden had held back.

“Ladies and Gentlemen, all this in just two weeks,” Netanyahu said. “Can you imagine where we’ll be in four years?”

Dow Jones
 
I have misjudged Mr Donald Trump.
I thought with almost absolute power he would make decisions, get things done for good or bad and change the world.

I now realise he is just a thought bubble man. Nothing is going to happen. Tariffs to Canada and Mexico, Gaza, etc.

And now with poor Rupert forced to listen and smile, a sovereign fund.
It's purpose? To buy TikTok.
And how is it going to be funded?
"By tariffs and other smart things".

As this article says, What was Rupert Murdoch really thinking?

 
I have misjudged Mr Donald Trump.
I thought with almost absolute power he would make decisions, get things done for good or bad and change the world.


Hahaha no you didn’t, every post you wrote about Trump, before this comment, proves it.
 
I am still sitting on the fence with Trump.
He has certainly upended politics, which is to be applauded.
Watching some of the Liberals blowing up is always a good laugh.
His expose of the corruption that is endemic in US orgs like USAID, and in international ones like UNRWA, the WHO etc can only be a good thing.
His use of Tariff threats has indeed forced both Mexico and Canada into doing something about their porous borders.
Or maybe his quid pro quo with Ukraine where if you want our money, give us your rare earths in exchange.
the fact that so many of those rare earth deposits are now in the hands of Russian forces is but a small detail.
Its all in the art of making a deal, somewhat like the ambit claims that Unions put out to business safe in the knowledge that they will not get those claims, but the bosses will have to give them something.
His imbecilic idea that he could buy Greenland, or take ownership of the Panama Canal, and now Gaza is ridiculous.
Perhaps he has some negotiating trick up his sleeve time will tell.
But he promised to get US troops out of countries in which they don't belong (which is every country other than America) seems rather hollow.
Like his promise to close Gitmo, now he wants to send illegals who have committed felonies to Gitmo.
At the end of the four years, will the positives outweigh the negatives?
I don't really have much hope.
mick
 
The legal barrier to President Trump, a former real estate mogul, is the UN, whose charter prohibits the threat or use of force to transfer a population and calls for respect for the sovereignty of other states.
The Ottoman Empire, the last sovereign entity to legally own the territory, ceded ownership of Gaza via the Treaty of Lausanne, signed in 1923.

Can Trump really ‘take over’ Gaza? The international law examined
The question of who owns Gaza has been a complicated one for decades - since the Ottoman Empire, the last sovereign entity to legally own the territory, ceded ownership of the territory in 1923.

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Palestinians walk past collapsed buildings in the northern Gaza Strip. Picture: AFP.

Under international law, sovereignty means that a government possesses full control over affairs within a geographical area or territorial limit. Deciding whether Gaza is sovereign is not an exact science but a matter of diplomatic process.

Can Trump transfer Palestinians out of Gaza?​

The legal barrier to President Trump, a former real estate mogul, is the UN, whose charter prohibits the threat or use of force to transfer a population and calls for respect for the sovereignty of other states.

The Ottoman Empire, the last sovereign entity to legally own the territory, ceded ownership of Gaza via the Treaty of Lausanne, signed in 1923.

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Gaza in about 1900, during Ottoman rule. Picture: Getty Images.

Under international law, Israel is responsible for Gaza in a de facto occupation that has existed since 1967, and includes responsibility for facilities and services, including fuel, water and electricity.

No other sovereign entity subsists, because the territory is ruled by Hamas, which is considered a terrorist organisation by the United States, European Union and Britain.

It governs the territory through its own ad hoc bodies, including the police and civil service, whose members have been targeted by Israel since the start of the war. Israel’s occupation has left a vacuum in Gaza’s sovereign status. Control could be taken by force or diplomacy.

Trump has also said people “like the idea” of Israel claiming sovereignty over the West Bank, and that discussions with Israeli representatives will take place over the next month to decide on the fate of the land.

Is Gaza Palestinian territory?​

Both the West Bank and Gaza are part of land Palestinians seek as part of their future state, and are Palestinian territories under international law.

However, Trump’s proposal aligns with the vision of far-right Israelis and Jewish settlers who live in the West Bank, who call the land Judea and Samaria, the biblical name for the area that is seen by them as their homeland and birthright. Trump has removed sanctions that the previous administration imposed on violent settlers in the West Bank as one of his first moves in office this term, foreshadowing a policy that breaks with international law as it defines settlements in the occupied territories.

It is also a strategy that follows on from his first term, when he recognised a united Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Many consider East Jerusalem the capital of any future Palestinian state.
Trump’s plan goes against decades of American policy to push for a two-state solution and a comprehensive peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. To enact it, he would have to pay other countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan to absorb the Gazan population — “some place where they can live and not die”, according to Trump. Arab nations have rejected the proposal.
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A Palestinian child amid the rubble of destroyed buildings in the northern Gaza Strip. Picture: AFP.

Who owns Gaza?​

Gaza, a thin strip of land between Egypt and modern Israel that runs along the coast of the Mediterranean, was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire until 1923, when it was taken over by Britain during the Mandate era.
Between 1949, the year after Israel was created, and 1956, Gaza was under Egyptian military rule, its population living in refugee camps across the territory established to house Palestinians who had fled or been expelled during war.
At the time the rule was recognised as occupation. After the Six-Day War of 1967, Israel occupied Sinai in Egypt, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In Gaza, it built 21 Jewish settlements that went on to house some 9,000 Israeli civilians.
Under the Oslo Accords and the Arab-Israeli peace process, via agreements between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organisation, the Palestinian Authority was set up to rule the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
This was designed to cover an interim period, before permanent talks for a mutually negotiated two-state solution. No solution ever materialised.
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Arab recruits line up under the British Mandate of Palestine, 1940. Picture: Alamy.

How did Hamas come to control Gaza?​

Israel began restricting movement for Palestinians and in 1991 cancelled the “general exit permit” that had been available since 1970, enforcing strict permit regimes that subjected citizens in Gaza — and the West Bank — to ask Israel and its military for permission to enter and exit.

On May 4, 1994, Israel began withdrawing from Gaza, but with the breakdown of talks and the outbreak of the Second Intifada, the Oslo peace process came to a screeching halt.

The Israeli settlements were unilaterally evacuated in 2005 by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, removing the last of its troops and dismantling its infrastructure.

The following year, Hamas, a nationalist movement and Islamic militant group staunchly opposed to the Oslo accords, began ruling Gaza after winning elections.

Israel has carried out more than a dozen military offensives on Gaza since their takeover and imposed a land, air and sea blockade in a move to protect its citizens from Hamas rocket fire and border incursions.

The UN, which runs a large operation to protect the refugees in Gaza, considers the territory to remain under Israeli military occupation because of the 16-year blockade. More than 80 per cent of the 2.2 million residents in Gaza depend on humanitarian aid to meet basic needs.

A 1974 UN resolution recognised the right of Palestinians to self-determination.

The Times
 
The legal barrier to President Trump, a former real estate mogul, is the UN, whose charter prohibits the threat or use of force to transfer a population and calls for respect for the sovereignty of other states.
The Ottoman Empire, the last sovereign entity to legally own the territory, ceded ownership of Gaza via the Treaty of Lausanne, signed in 1923.
Yeah , well that did not stop the Russians in Ukraine, did not stop the Chinese in Tibet, or potentially in Taiwan, did not stop Indonesia in East Timor or West Papua, the Israelis in West Bank , Gaza and few other hotspots.

The UN is just another boondoggle for bureaucrats to wallow in their own self importance and scm money from countries stupid enough to pay them.
Mick
 
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