The Albanese government

[JohnDe]

Just commenting on this bit and noting both are themselves consequences of the policies of successive governments.

Neither existed to any meaningful extent well within living memory.

No offence intended, but that is either a ridiculous statement or you have mistook my comment.

The current governments fear of losing votes from the extreme left, Greens, a Muslim political movement and not acting in the best interest of the country because of that fear has nothing to do with previous governments.

 

[Smurf1976]

The current governments fear of losing votes from the extreme left, Greens, a Muslim political movement and not acting in the best interest of the country because of that fear has nothing to do with previous governments.

The number of Muslims in Australia and thus their political influence is primarily a consequence of immigration isn't it?

From the Census, in 1981 76,792 people or 0.53% of the Australian population were Muslim. In 2021 that was 813,392 people or 3.17% of the population.

As I'm seeing it, that's almost certainly a consequence of immigration and thus government policy. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, only that it's a consequence of policy enabling that outcome.

As for the Greens, Labor has simply prioritised them over its traditional working class support base for long enough to have become aligned to that end of the spectrum. Anecdotally at least, Labor's core support base now tilts toward white collar professionals versus it's traditional support base that tilted firmly toward the working class especially blue collar.

 

[JohnDe]

The number of Muslims in Australia and thus their political influence is primarily a consequence of immigration isn't it?

And the influence of the Greens on Labor is a consequence of Labor having prioritised their demands ahead of it's traditional working class support base for long enough to have largely lost that working class support and become politically dependent on Green preferences?

Totally different issues.

I agree that immigration has been poorly handled, but to blame previous governments for Labor’s current grab for votes over morality is ridiculous.

The current Labor government has gambled Australia’s generations of religious and political civility for votes.

Trying to pass some of the blame onto others is just an excuse to try and save the silverware.

Anyone or any government that is more concerned in saving their seat over protecting our freedoms and peace needs to be voted out.

Goodbye Albanese and your ministers

 

[farmerge]

Totally different issues.

I agree that immigration has been poorly handled, but to blame previous governments for Labor’s current grab for votes over morality is ridiculous.

The current Labor government has gambled Australia’s generations of religious and political civility for votes.

Trying to pass some of the blame onto others is just an excuse to try and save the silverware.

Anyone or any government that is more concerned in saving their seat over protecting our freedoms and peace needs to be voted out.

Goodbye Albanese and your ministers

@john De I don't think matters what brand of politicians are firmly seated on their comfy leather lounge chairs.
Their main and only goal is to retain that seat no matter what.
So be it Labour, Liberal, Greens, Teals, Independents are all tared with the retain our seats at whatever it takes.

 

[JohnDe]

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“This (national cabinet) is a step that we called for in early December, and it is deeply saddening that the announcement comes in the wake of an arson attack on a child care centre,” Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chief executive Peter Wertheim said.​

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On Friday, the former eastern suburbs home of the ECAJ’s other co-convener, Alex Ryvchin, was targeted by attackers who doused it in red paint and torched two cars parked on the street.​

 

[farmerge]

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“This (national cabinet) is a step that we called for in early December, and it is deeply saddening that the announcement comes in the wake of an arson attack on a child care centre,” Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chief executive Peter Wertheim said.​

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On Friday, the former eastern suburbs home of the ECAJ’s other co-convener, Alex Ryvchin, was targeted by attackers who doused it in red paint and torched two cars parked on the street.​

This is far from good enough. The perpetrators of these cowardly actions when caught need to have the maximum penalty with no parole levelled at them and should also be publicly shamed to boot.
The cost to repair/replace the damage should also be leveled at them, even if it leaves them in debt till their dying day.

 

[farmerge]

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“This (national cabinet) is a step that we called for in early December, and it is deeply saddening that the announcement comes in the wake of an arson attack on a child care centre,” Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chief executive Peter Wertheim said.​

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On Friday, the former eastern suburbs home of the ECAJ’s other co-convener, Alex Ryvchin, was targeted by attackers who doused it in red paint and torched two cars parked on the street.​

As a rider to my earler post, I am just an average Australian bloke with a family who was brought up to give and take in a fair way.
I'm not a religious person but don't have an axe to grind with any religion as long as they observe what is legal in this country.
The attacks on the Jewish Community is against all that I was brought up to believe.
The hatred that has been brought into Australia by some immigrants cannot be tolerated under any circumstance, but it seems to be a world wide problem now.
These are not the kind of migrants that we need or want here at anytime.
End of rant

 

[Sean K]

As a rider to my earler post, I am just an average Australian bloke with a family who was brought up to give and take in a fair way.
I'm not a religious person but don't have an axe to grind with any religion as long as they observe what is legal in this country.
The attacks on the Jewish Community is against all that I was brought up to believe.
The hatred that has been brought into Australia by some immigrants cannot be tolerated under any circumstance, but it seems to be a world wide problem now.
These are not the kind of migrants that we need or want here at anytime.
End of rant

I'm not sure if they're majority migrants. They look feral Green to me. Would be interesting to know the break up. Quite a few have been arrested, the police should be telling us who they are.

 

[JohnDe]

@john De I don't think matters what brand of politicians are firmly seated on their comfy leather lounge chairs.
Their main and only goal is to retain that seat no matter what.
So be it Labour, Liberal, Greens, Teals, Independents are all tared with the retain our seats at whatever it takes.

I’m not as cynical as you, I still believe there is still good humanity.

There are too many socialist and leftist politicians, they all have a common goal to keep the centre right out of power. When people say what you did above it works in the favour of the Greens, Teals, Climate 200, and so on, which strengthens the left in Labor.

I still believe that Bob Hawke lead to improve the country, not himself. And the same with John Howard, they wanted a better country for all. Of course they needed to try and win seats, but they had principles.

A vote for an independent, is a win for the far left in the next government.

 

[IFocus]

I’m not as cynical as you, I still believe there is still good humanity.

There are too many socialist and leftist politicians, they all have a common goal to keep the centre right out of power. When people say what you did above it works in the favour of the Greens, Teals, Climate 200, and so on, which strengthens the left in Labor.

I still believe that Bob Hawke lead to improve the country, not himself. And the same with John Howard, they wanted a better country for all. Of course they needed to try and win seats, but they had principles.

A vote for an independent, is a win for the far left in the next government.

Who is far left in power?

Note its not the Labor Party who believe in neo neoliberalism...

Are you upset because Labor has increased wages and conditions for the lowest paid?

 

[sptrawler]

Just commenting on this bit and noting both are themselves consequences of the policies of successive governments.

Neither existed to any meaningful extent well within living memory.

Both play to Australians natural bent toward apathy, so the vocal minorities talk over the the introverted and generally insececure mainstream centre, it will come to an end when things get bad enough that even the meekest speak up.

 

[sptrawler]

Are you upset because Labor has increased wages and conditions for the lowest paid?

And at the same time made the pay rise a lot less than than the cost incurred, to the lowest paid, by the Government induced inflationary cost increases.

Just the same songbook as Hawke and Keating, give with one hand and take twice as much with the other.

It doesn't bother me, but it hurts those at the bottom a lot more, a short sharp recesion, can have better long term outcomes than giving people a 10% payrise while everything goes up 30% and rents and house prices double isn't good for aspirational Australians.

Hopefully Albo gets another term, he deserves it, Australia deserves it.

 

[JohnDe]

Who is far left in power?

Note its not the Labor Party who believe in neo neoliberalism...

Are you upset because Labor has increased wages and conditions for the lowest paid?

The Greens.

Which party did Labor make a deal with in 2010 to govern? The Greens.

Why do left wingers always fall for that line? “Upset blah blah blah”

The following article is a few years old but it is still informative /.

Not Dead Yet: Labor's post-Left future

Mark Latham considers the future for Labor. The nation has changed, but can the party? With wit and insight, Latham reveals an organisation top-heavy with factional bosses protecting their turf. At the same time Labor’s traditional working-class base has long been eroding. People who grew up in...

www.quarterlyessay.com.au

 

[wayneL]

Hopefully Albo gets another term, he deserves it, Australia deserves it.

Say what? In no sense does that chinless cretin deserve another term. The great dilemma being that neither does Dutton deserve government either.

 

[farmerge]

Say what? In no sense does that chinless cretin deserve another term. The great dilemma being that neither does Dutton deserve government either.

@wayneL I'll nominate you Wayne if you stand for parliament

 

[wayneL]

Haha,

@wayneL I'll nominate you Wayne if you stand for parliament

Haha, too many skeletons in the closet for that I'm afraid.

 

[farmerge]

Haha,

Haha, too many skeletons in the closet for that I'm afraid.

Well stocked refreshment arena in Parliament House though.

 

[IFocus]

And at the same time made the pay rise a lot less than than the cost incurred, to the lowest paid, by the Government induced inflationary cost increases.

Just the same songbook as Hawke and Keating, give with one hand and take twice as much with the other.

It doesn't bother me, but it hurts those at the bottom a lot more, a short sharp recesion, can have better long term outcomes than giving people a 10% payrise while everything goes up 30% and rents and house prices double isn't good for aspirational Australians.

Hopefully Albo gets another term, he deserves it, Australia deserves it.

So are you saying Labor shouldn't have raised wages and tighten conditions for the lowest paid?

Should they just continue the Coalition policy of lowest paid being part time with reduced safety provisions in their work place?

 

[JohnDe]

So are you saying Labor shouldn't have raised wages and tighten conditions for the lowest paid?

Should they just continue the Coalition policy of lowest paid being part time with reduced safety provisions in their work place?

Can we see proof for your comment please. "Policy of lowest paid and reduced safety".

Criminal elements still influential in CFMEU construction division, report finds​

 

[PZ99]

^ Good ole ADS in play here. LOL

Who cares what Jewish leaders want here ? The problem is on the other side of the planet, not here.