Is dual nationality a rort and a joke?

[Garpal Gumnut]

Does anyone have any thoughts on the following , ABC today from Senate estimates committee.?



Govt unlikely to recover Lebanese evacuation expenses

The Federal Government spent more than $30 million evacuating Australians from Lebanon during the conflict with Israel last year, but says it is unlikely to get much of the money back.

A Parliamentary hearing has been told the cost of evacuating people by sea from Beruit topped $10 million, while others were flown back to Australia and put up in emergency accommodation on Cyprus.

Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade spokesman Rod Smith says efforts are now under way to recoup some of the money from people who had travel insurance or dual nationality.

But he says the department only expects to get hundreds of thousands of dollars back, rather than millions.

"Individuals were caught up in extraordinarily difficult circumstances and it was seen as very much a reflection of the Government's consular role for those costs to be covered by the Government," he said.

 

[Buster]

Does anyone have any thoughts on the following , ABC today from Senate estimates committee.?

Hey Gumnut..

This was a fairly hot topic (also in other countries) here for a while..

Check it out here..

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3978&highlight=lebanese

I for one thing we've been rorted, but I'm a bit of a 'black and white' man..

Cheers,

Buster

 

[CanOz]

Same argument is happening regarding Canadian/Lebanese dual citizens.

Difficult one for sure.

Cheers,

 

[chops_a_must]

Just send a bill to Israel.

Or we could just get into a Swiss bank vault and steal some of their gold...

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

So far what I'm hearing is that

33% of respondents say its a rort
33% say its not, and its Israels fault
33% say Canada has the same problem.

Only 3 respondents though so not statistically significant.

Garpal

 

[Bobby]

I have a comment about the low lives from that so called country, but can't talk about it !

ASF rules regarding derogatory statements of muslims or islam ~~~ ?

Don't know whats what with this______?"

Bob.

 

[wayneL]

I have triple nationality, and it's not a rort or a joke. I am entitled to each by law.

As far as the Lebanese situation... it's a tough one innit. No question some individuals spuriously claimed allegiance to Australia via citizenship rather than deed. There were also very genuine cases.

How do you separate the two when a belligerent is reducing the country to rubble?

 

[chops_a_must]

33% say its not, and its Israels fault

Oh come on... I'm in pretty good company there! Lol!

Seriously, in this case I don't think it is a rort. If I was in a war zone that I hadn't knowingly been in, I would want the government to help me out as well. The real rort the Kiwis and Poms getting the dole...

 

[rederob]

Hey Bob
Those A........ans are to blame for our woes.
That's what I reckon.

But I thought dual nationality was a "birthright".
And an accident of citizenship.
As well as a rort.

The joke is the ability of countries supported by the US to wage war willy nilly.
And because they are really the "good guys", it's ok.
I thought the most cunning act of that war was when the Israelis took out a UN observation post so that they could continue their slaughter of Lebanese as they pleased.
Of course the media focussed on the few from the UN that were killed, rather than the hundreds of civilians....

But I digress, as an Israeli try and travel around the Middle East on your passport.
Rather, I suggest you don't. follow your birthright and get a passport from the country of one of your parents.
It's kosher.

 

[happytown]

Dual nationality was a gift "enacted" by the government, favouring a particular class of people (those eligible for it), whose reasoning was laid out in the dabates and reading speeches of the enacting legislation available in the relevant hansard for perusal.

I am of the firm belief that one essential role of government is providing assistance (in whatever form that may need to be) to Australian citizens, who find themselves (rightly or wrongly) in a situation requiring assistance (generally where the balance of power - as it were - is not conducive to the citizen successfully assisting themselves).

This finds its clearest expression in the case of warfare.

If the government does not like it, and remembering the balance of power in both houses resides with them, repeal, substitute, or generally 86 the law.

But don't waste taxpayer's money talking about it.

As should be extracted from above, I don't consider legitimate expenditure in successfully extracting Australian, including dual national, citizens from a war zone, as Lebanon was at the time, a waste of money.

As to legitimate expenditure, AWB style expenditures (if taxpayer money) not legitimate.

If it is a rort and a joke, we only have a small group of Australian citizens (who may or may not be dual nationals), who don't eat peanuts and aren't monkeys to thank for it.

cheers

 

[Bobby]

Hey Bob
Those A........ans are to blame for our woes.
That's what I reckon.

But I thought dual nationality was a "birthright".
And an accident of citizenship.
As well as a rort.

The joke is the ability of countries supported by the US to wage war willy nilly.
And because they are really the "good guys", it's ok.
I thought the most cunning act of that war was when the Israelis took out a UN observation post so that they could continue their slaughter of Lebanese as they pleased.
Of course the media focussed on the few from the UN that were killed, rather than the hundreds of civilians....

But I digress, as an Israeli try and travel around the Middle East on your passport.
Rather, I suggest you don't. follow your birthright and get a passport from the country of one of your parents.
It's kosher.

Hello Rob,

Liked your post young man, seems human life on this planet will follow the fundamental dogma of their tradition.

Always pleased to see you pounce

Thanks Bob.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Hey Bob
Those A........ans are to blame for our woes.
That's what I reckon.

But I thought dual nationality was a "birthright".
And an accident of citizenship.
As well as a rort.

The joke is the ability of countries supported by the US to wage war willy nilly.
And because they are really the "good guys", it's ok.
I thought the most cunning act of that war was when the Israelis took out a UN observation post so that they could continue their slaughter of Lebanese as they pleased.
Of course the media focussed on the few from the UN that were killed, rather than the hundreds of civilians....

But I digress, as an Israeli try and travel around the Middle East on your passport.
Rather, I suggest you don't. follow your birthright and get a passport from the country of one of your parents.
It's kosher.

Dear rederob,

You should audition for Little Britain

Who are the A........ans ???

Armenians
Aserbaijans
Andalusians
Arabians
Angolans
Abercrombians
Albanians
Anglicans
Africans


It must cause such sweet angst to conceal it.

Let us in on the secret ,

Garpal

 

[Rafa]

The real rort the Kiwis and Poms getting the dole...

Exactly...

Whilst ideally, i would like to see dual nationality scrapped completely...
in reality I think, for what its worth, if your paying your taxers in Oz, its all fair.

 

[Bobby]

Dear rederob,


Who are the A........ans ???


Let us in on the secret ,

Garpal

Its the Australians :

 

[joslad]

The real rort the Kiwis and Poms getting the dole...

.

I can't let this rediculous comment go unanswered!


Studies have shown that the vast majority of kiwis are tax payers in australia (that means they have jobs), and are not on the dole.

We are actually doing you a favour. As ex Prime Minister Muldoon quoted many years ago - when Kiwis goto australia, they increase the average IQ of both countries.

 

[rederob]

Garpal
A long list of omissions:
Asians?
Arabians?
Arians?
Are but a few.
Even Bob has discovered an answer, all by himself

I would like to think that I could return to the country of my mother's birth, but even she is frightened to return after 55 years of living in Australia.
Maybe it has more to do with the chance the American's might shoot another errant aeroplane out of the sky over Iran:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

 

[chops_a_must]

I can't let this rediculous comment go unanswered!


Studies have shown that the vast majority of kiwis are tax payers in australia (that means they have jobs), and are not on the dole.

We are actually doing you a favour. As ex Prime Minister Muldoon quoted many years ago - when Kiwis goto australia, they increase the average IQ of both countries.

Lol, this is true. But still, this means there are some kiwis on the dole....

 

[Julia]

Lol, this is true. But still, this means there are some kiwis on the dole....

Well, if there are, they've managed to sustain a considerable period (I think it's currently two years) of being here with no dole.

Certainly it used to be possible for Kiwis to swan over here and immediately access the dole, Medicare etc, but this was changed a few years ago.

I saw a bloke recently who came over here to take up what he understood to be a firm job (had the details in writing etc), sold his house in NZ, moved his family over, only to be told the job was no more, and he was unable to access any Social Security. I'm not saying this is unfair - people from either side of the Tasman shouldn't be able to have a tax payer funded holiday in either country - but it did leave this family in a tough situation.

Julia

 

[2020hindsight]

Muldoon quoted many years ago - when Kiwis goto australia, they increase the average IQ of both countries.

nothing if not colourful - seem to recall he didnt think much of the underarm incident either. and nobody mention today's cricket match for chrissake.
bookies will be laughing.
PS the IQ of the local sheep polulation went up as well lol.

 

[wayneL]

Well, if there are, they've managed to sustain a considerable period (I think it's currently two years) of being here with no dole.

Certainly it used to be possible for Kiwis to swan over here and immediately access the dole, Medicare etc, but this was changed a few years ago.

I saw a bloke recently who came over here to take up what he understood to be a firm job (had the details in writing etc), sold his house in NZ, moved his family over, only to be told the job was no more, and he was unable to access any Social Security. I'm not saying this is unfair - people from either side of the Tasman shouldn't be able to have a tax payer funded holiday in either country - but it did leave this family in a tough situation.

Julia

Just my observation - Most of the Kiwis I've met are very sharp people. They tend to be more entrepreneurial than speculative (not that there's anything wrong with speculation) In other words, they create and do interesting things.

I have a lot of time for them.