Australian Federal Election - 2022

[sptrawler]

Not going to happen.

If not what was the election about, a change of window dressing? Something has to be done.

 

[sptrawler]

Only thing I have to say is a Labor / Greens government such a beautiful thing ??

Que Murdoch propaganda machine.

Absolutely, it will be a nice change.

 

[Knobby22]

If not what was the election about, a change of window dressing? Something has to be done.

Some things will but that was ruled out. Not policy.

 

[sptrawler]

Some things will but that was ruled out. Not policy.

It will be an interesting three years IMO.
A lot less boring than the last three.

 

[moXJO]

Only thing I have to say is a Labor / Greens government such a beautiful thing ??

Que Murdoch propaganda machine.

I'm setting up to buy an ev (if it ever hits our shores). So I'll take advantage while it's here.

 

[moXJO]

It will be an interesting three years IMO.
A lot less boring than the last three.

Covid and WWIII didn't do it for you?

 

[sptrawler]

Covid and WWIII didn't do it for you?

IMO, you aint seen nothing yet.
Ive wedged in a 28 day cruise in Oct, booked a 3 month holiday next year, ordered the new EV car, spend it while its worth something. Lol
Next job do an @IFocus , sell the unit buy a house on the canals and apply for the pension.

 

[The Triangle]

It looks as if Kristina Kennealy ( nobody's girl ) is in huge trouble in attempting to move from a posh house on the coast to commish in Fowler.

gg

Thankfully gone and trust it's for good this time. Hope she and her family get on the next flight back to America.

Maybe labor actually knew exactly what they were doing parachuting her into that electorate... She's certainly up there on the list of hated politicians and I'm sure a lot of people in the labor party are relieved she lost.

 

[SirRumpole]

Once the jubilation of a win wears off the reality of the economic nightmare they've taken should (but it probably won't) set in at labor party HQ. Interest rates are going up inflation is skyrocketing and I doubt in 3 years time the unemployment rate and commodity prices will be in a better place than they are today. Could very likely see labor get obliterated next election through no fault of their own. Liberals in a way dodged a bullet here.

But good to see a big swing towards independents and small parties across the land.

Amazing how Labor could get there (almost) on a primary of 31%, they can thank the Greens when they form government.

I think it shows that Labor is losing its traditional base, ie the unions which are becoming less relevant to working people.

Somehow they need to be more broadly based and put out feelers to professionals, tradies and aspirational business people.

Anyway they made it , and if they don't stuff it up they should be in for a few terms.

 

[Smurf1976]

Victoria was set to not matter but its the Liberal safe seats in doubt now.

Victoria's an interesting one.

Not intending to throw any stones or be parochial but it's at the extremes.

Second largest population state.

Second, almost first, largest capital city.

A net contributor to taxation revenue via GST with redistribution to the other states.

But.... Per capita it's the actual worst performing state in terms of it's trade balance and is so by a significant margin. A big population sucking in imports but the state just doesn't produce all that much.

Politically a government needs Victorian votes in order to win an election.

Economically though, WA and Qld are carrying the nation to considerable extent.

 

[SirRumpole]

Victoria's an interesting one.

Not intending to throw any stones or be parochial but it's at the extremes.

Second largest population state.

Second, almost first, largest capital city.

A net contributor to taxation revenue via GST with redistribution to the other states.

But.... Per capita it's the actual worst performing state in terms of it's trade balance and is so by a significant margin. A big population sucking in imports but the state just doesn't produce all that much.

Politically a government needs Victorian votes in order to win an election.

Economically though, WA and Qld are carrying the nation to considerable extent.

I wonder how much Frydenburg's trashing of Daniel Andrews played into the loss of otherwise safe Liberal seats in Victoria.

Just a thought.

 

[StockyGuy]

ALP won in my area. Should I be looking out for new cool stuff we'll get in my area? New hospital facilities and whatnot

 

[SirRumpole]

ALP won in my area. Should I be looking out for new cool stuff we'll get in my area? New hospital facilities and whatnot

Are you in a marginal seat ?

 

[StockyGuy]

Are you in a marginal seat ?

Just moved from marginal to likely 'fairly safe' so we get nothin'

 

[Smurf1976]

Somehow they need to be more broadly based and put out feelers to professionals, tradies and aspirational business people.

I think Tanya Pilbersek is on the right track there and presumably that means the party is.

She made comments to the effect that Australia has become far too fractured into lots of groups all in conflict with each other and that this wasn't at all helpful to, well, anything really.

A political party can't possibly gain 50%+ of the vote in a situation like that where it's male versus female, blue collar versus white collar, city versus country, rich versus working class, those of British descent versus Aboriginals versus those from somewhere else, and so on. Under that scenario there's simply no individual grouping that represents more than a tiny portion of the population.

We really need to get to a point, and I do think it's achievable, where most of that's irrelevant. We'll probably never erase some level of divide based on wealth but there's no rational reason why city versus rural, blue collar versus white collar, gender or heaven forbid race ought to be a factor.

I mean if you're a white collar professional woman living in a city well then you do want the farmers to be successful, right? You want food to eat yes? You do want trucks running, you do want utilities to function and so on. Same if you're out in the bush, ultimately you do want things in the cities to keep working and you're in at least some degree of trouble if they don't. You might not be in any way involved with it, you might not know a PTO* from SCATS*, but you're outright stuffed if it all stops working so rationally you'd care rather a lot that someone's looking after it.

If there's one thing I hope the new government achieves, it's to put an end to manufactured division in Australian society and seek to unite the Australian people at least within reason. We'll always have our differences but there's far too much division that's been artificially created for purely political purposes in recent times.

For those not familiar:

*PTO (Power Take Off) - you'll find this on a tractor.

*SCATS (Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System) - software that controls and synchronises road traffic signals not just in Sydney but in most urban areas.

 

[Smurf1976]

I wonder how much Frydenburg's trashing of Daniel Andrews played into the loss of otherwise safe Liberal seats in Victoria.

Just my perception but those in in WA didn't like ScoMo threatening the state government over borders and those in Vic didn't like the hostile approach toward their state's government and indeed the state itself.

 

[Smurf1976]

Business is pretty good right now. Probably the best I've seen it for construction. Labor needs to be very careful with their penchant for bureaucracy and red tape dribble.

So far as the general economy is concerned, I take elections more as an indicator than a cause.

Government in any country shifting from the more "Right" of the major parties to the more "Left" of its major parties not always but often occurs around the time of a peak in business, markets and so on.

Likewise a shift to the "Right" often occurs somewhere near the depths of doom and gloom.

As with any indicator it's imperfect but:

Howard won just as the 1990's recession was really ending. Statistically it might've ended earlier but in practice it hadn't really.

Rudd elected just in time for the GFC.

Albo elected at a time when economic risk seems firmly to the downside regardless of who's in government.

Or going back even further, Whitlam was elected just in time for the economic wheels to fall off due to circumstances completely beyond the control of any Australian government.

It's an imperfect correlation but when the economy's doing nicely the concerns of the population shift toward more "Left" issues. When the economy's not doing well the concern comes firmly back to the economy and often sees a shift to the "Right".

Right now, among other risks, some really obvious ones:

Inflation

Interest rates

Housing market

Building industry looks to be shaky at best

Unemployment at 3.9% can't realistically go much lower

Energy supply and price is a bomb ready to blow up

Situation with China in particular.

Etc. There's a lot more risk to the downside than the upside at the moment.

 

[Mohammed Hazabig'un]

Scott Morrison will be remembered as a bumbler. The first time he touched something, he'd have to come back a second time to fix it.

The image of the campaign. No one has mentioned Tames jacket. Makes me think it was all planned

 

[qldfrog]

I have the same reservations. Throwing big ideas at us is one thing. Getting it done is another.

However, scomo and Dutton were walking down the wrong path. They continually stomped on rights and flushed the "government shouldn't be in your life" liberal mantra down the toilet. And started pushing us towards to many conflicts.

Now it's about navigating through having a "houso" as pm with a bunch of batsht crazy supporters screeching and pushing their "victim barrows" front and centre. The whole "he has empathy" shtick is just code for "cash splash my way incoming".

God help us and let's give albo a chance. But the libs needed a clean out. Let's hope Dutton is gone.

Oh i have no love lost on the lnp,the capitulation to syates during covid was a disgrace,keeping us in jail during covid was a clear no go.
Freedom is now gone forever here ,at least my lifetime but people will tell me that freedom to buy eat read travel what where you want is not freedom?
This is just a copycat of the wider movement which tackled first europe nesrly 4 decades ago and lately the US.
Cronyism socialism is hete
Another domino falling in the West

 

[qldfrog]

While i dislike the current Labor puppets, i see one good point: beside the obvious social media/media bias on News ltd and their ABC, etc:
i do not believe that vote has been rigged so that election is still kind of old style democracy representative of the Australian. People.
We need to celebrate that as many in the west have lost even that.