Australian Federal Election - 2022

[SirRumpole]

More bull$hit spending on 'the mates' ?

What on earth is this all about ?

Charity director remains tight-lipped about how $18m program will run with no current staff, website or office

A mystery foundation established less than a year ago by a businessman with connections to the royal family has managed to secure more than $18 million in federal funding, but the man behind it is refusing to outline how the program will run or outline when it will launch.

www.abc.net.au

 

[moXJO]

Meaning of "woke" Webster Dic

: aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)

The extreme right took that and poisoned it into an insult used here by many who clearly misunderstand its meaning unless you subscribe to extreme right views..

Uh no, "wokesters" are indeed wankers. If anything it seems to mean "hypocrite d1ckbag". The lefts mental disorder turned it into a joke.

 

[IFocus]

The new left, pigeon hole people, tag them with a label, then commence the bullying.
You guys must be running some sort of school, you have the format down pat.
I don't see many in the thread, that actually make personal comments, as to who people vote or don't vote for apart from you and your mate.?
I've actually stated I was hit by robo debt and I've stated I wont be voting for Morrison and I've also stated I voted for McGowan, so why the niggle?
Just because a Government isn't to my taste, doesn't mean everything they did was appalling and it also doesn't mean that all the blame laid at their feet by the media was accurate and unbiased.
So as always, I take the pragmatic approach and vote for who I feel will offer the best options for Australia, why not keep the snide comments out?

Sorry SP didn't mean to offend, how ever you continue to blame the media for Morrisons failures which I don't understand.

 

[IFocus]

Uh no, "wokesters" are indeed wankers. If anything it seems to mean "hypocrite d1ckbag". The lefts mental disorder turned it into a joke.

Again if you subscribe to the extreme right then that's what it means poison politics 101.

 

[moXJO]

Again if you subscribe to the extreme right then that's what it means poison politics 101.

I haven't seen much "truth" or even reality from alleged "woke". If by "extreme right" you mean people without mental issues then yes.

 

[sptrawler]

Sorry SP didn't mean to offend, how ever you continue to blame the media for Morrisons failures which I don't understand.

I don't blame the media for Morrisons failures, he has to own them, what I blame the media for is for never acknowledging achievements and it isn't just Morrison this has really been going on since Howard.
We have had a revolving door of P.M's since 2007 and it has been driven by a media focusing on the negative aspect of politics and policies, there is never any reporting on the positives that actually give Australians one of the best lifestyles in the World.
People wonder why we have a huge growing problem with mental health issues and suicide, maybe if the media gave equal time to reporting on positive outcomes as they do negative outcomes, our youth may feel life actually is worth living.
So it isn't so much a Morrison thing as a media thing with me, Albanese will have the same problems and I will say the same things.
Albanese can't be held responsible for every issue that happens in Australia, if he can be we don't need elections and departments to look after various functions, we just need one person.
The media have made it that difficult for Morrison to function, he just has to go, it is only his stubbornness that has seen him do a full term, which is the first for a P.M since 2007.
That fact in itself tells us something, all of the P.M's can't have been that bad that none managed a full term and it is public opinion that usually overturns a P.M, who drives public opinion?
I certainly hope the media cuts Albo some slack, because I can't see anyone behind him, that I would like driving the big chair.
You don't have to apologies, just ask me why I think something, I like to challenge my beliefs and I don't blindly follow one party and I can actually change my mind on an issue.
That's why I'm still married to the same lady after 45 years.

 

[IFocus]

I haven't seen much "truth" or even reality from alleged "woke". If by "extreme right" you mean people without mental issues then yes.

You still fail to understand the meaning of 'woke" and attribute the extreme rights poisoned meaning which unfortunately makes you look like a real stooge. (apologies if it offends )

Ironically its this sort of stooge behaviour that best describes the reason poor whites in the US that vote Republican, you know turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[moXJO]

You still fail to understand the meaning of 'woke" and attribute the extreme rights poisoned meaning which unfortunately makes you look like a real stooge. (apologies if it offends )

Ironically its this sort of stooge behaviour that best describes the reason poor whites in the US that vote Republican, you know turkeys voting for Christmas.

I understand it. Not sure the "poison" left do.
It's the stooge behaviour of the left in the US that led us here.

 

[Smurf1976]

You still fail to understand the meaning of 'woke" and attribute the extreme rights poisoned meaning which unfortunately makes you look like a real stooge. (apologies if it offends )

Whilst I'm aware of the original meaning, I'll argue that it's one of those words where an alternative meaning has become the predominant one in practice.

Wrong or right, if I hear the term used in 2022 then odds are I'll be correct if I assume it's being used in the more extreme, negative context.

It's not the only word where the meaning has been radically changed, indeed some have been reversed within my lifetime thus far ("dropped" is a good example there), but it's an unwinnable argument.

I'll focus on what's really being said not the words as such.

 

[Smurf1976]

Ironically its this sort of stooge behaviour that best describes the reason poor whites in the US that vote Republican, you know turkeys voting for Christmas.

It's the stooge behaviour of the left in the US that led us here.

When anything goes to an extreme the usual result is it then swings firmly in the opposite direction.

Current politics seems to be full of that on multiple issues. One side takes an extreme position then the opposing side responds with an even more extreme position in the other direction.

That seems to be happening with everything from biology to physics and isn't helping society at all. It's a tug of war, half the people on one side of the rope and half the people on the other side all pulling frantically, expending great amounts of energy going nowhere.

Meanwhile in the real world there's a housing crisis, government deficits, energy supply, climate change, that we're having floods now and will have drought in due course, wage stagnation, war in Ukraine, diplomatic relations with China, underemployment and intergenerational poverty, sexism / racism / ageism, environmental degradation, education, health, roads and many more.

We'd be far better off to stop pulling society apart with extremism and collectively walk forward.

 

[sptrawler]

When anything goes to an extreme the usual result is it then swings firmly in the opposite direction.

Current politics seems to be full of that on multiple issues. One side takes an extreme position then the opposing side responds with an even more extreme position in the other direction.

That seems to be happening with everything from biology to physics and isn't helping society at all. It's a tug of war, half the people on one side of the rope and half the people on the other side all pulling frantically, expending great amounts of energy going nowhere.

Meanwhile in the real world there's a housing crisis, government deficits, energy supply, climate change, that we're having floods now and will have drought in due course, wage stagnation, war in Ukraine, diplomatic relations with China, underemployment and intergenerational poverty, sexism / racism / ageism, environmental degradation, education, health, roads and many more.

We'd be far better off to stop pulling society apart with extremism and collectively walk forward.

It isn't going unnoticed @Smurf1976 the state of Australian politics at the moment is a disgrace, the infighting, tit for tat public finger pointing by members of a both parties, just shows the lack of quality politicians currently in parliament.
Why would a self respecting, honest and patriotic person even put up for pre selection. Canberra is more like a soap opera, than the political heart of Australia, where our future is decided and guided, it's a bloody appalling situation IMO.

‘Riddled with factionalism’: Ex-RBA board and Liberal member blasts both parties

The next government must begin reforming the Australian economy, according to Roger Corbett, but the major parties are riddled by factionalism which is holding change back.

www.smh.com.au

One of Australia’s most respected businessmen has blasted both major political parties for being “riddled with factionalism”, warning internal disputes are putting desperately needed economic reforms on hold.

 

[SirRumpole]

Why would a self respecting, honest and patriotic person even put up for pre selection. Canberra is more like a soap opera, than the political heart of Australia, where our future is decided and guided, it's a bloody appalling situation IMO.

Exactly. While I may have sympathies for the general policies of the ALP , I could never join the Party because of the browbeating by union heavies and their distrust of anyone who doesn't have "the right stuff" according to them which means going through the process of being union organisers and climbing that particular tree. They don't even let people in unless they are union members.

So inclusive, not.

 

[sptrawler]

Exactly. While I may have sympathies for the general policies of the ALP , I could never join the Party because of the browbeating by union heavies and their distrust of anyone who doesn't have "the right stuff" according to them which means going through the process of being union organisers and climbing that particular tree. They don't even let people in unless they are union members.

So inclusive, not.

Politics has gone the way of many other careers that were referred to as "callings" eg nursing, teaching etc, it is now about what people can get out of it, rather than what they can give to it IMO.
They can't even get consensus amongst themselves, without dragging it out into the public arena, how the hell do they expect to bipartisan agreement.
Both sides are as bad and it boils down to the fact there aren't common goals to further Australia's cause, there are only personal goals, which involves keeping the paypacket and the perks IMO.
Politics is attracting, exactly the opposite type of person, it needs to attract IMO. A third want to be movie stars, another third want to sit down the back and say FA and the rest are trying to keep their $hit together and work out a plan then implement it and hope it's right before the next election. ?
There is a reason that some really good politicians pull the pin when they are at their prime, dealing with the rest of them must do their heads in, much easier just to leave and go into the private sector, more money, less crap and if the idiot sitting next to you is useless they are sacked rather than having to be voted out.

Some that come to mind are Crean, Ferguson, Costello, Wyatt, Gillard.
It is really coming to the fore in State politics IMO, like the guy from Tassie, everyone is shocked, he's doing a great job, apparently on top of his game then pulls up stumps. Why? because he is probably sick of the nonsense that is probably happening behind the scenes.

Same in W.A Barnett was a one man band, why because probably no one else in the team new how to play an instrument, he left and the Liberals in W.A are still lost in the wilderness, no one even knows the leader ATM.

McGowan, ask any person on the street to name another W.A labor member and they wouldn't be able to, that probably goes back to what we are talking about, most in there are useless.
The Premier has to be the treasurer, the only one who can talk on t.v because he knows he's surrounded by muppets, he can't delegate anything and has to be overseeing everything IMO.
That becomes wearing on a person and their family, especially these days where we have 24hour news and tag team reporters trying to blow your feet off.
This isn't party specific, it is politics in general
All just my opinion as usual. Anyway I had better get off politics, i'll lift a safety v/v.

 

[IFocus]

When anything goes to an extreme the usual result is it then swings firmly in the opposite direction.

Current politics seems to be full of that on multiple issues. One side takes an extreme position then the opposing side responds with an even more extreme position in the other direction.

That seems to be happening with everything from biology to physics and isn't helping society at all. It's a tug of war, half the people on one side of the rope and half the people on the other side all pulling frantically, expending great amounts of energy going nowhere.

Meanwhile in the real world there's a housing crisis, government deficits, energy supply, climate change, that we're having floods now and will have drought in due course, wage stagnation, war in Ukraine, diplomatic relations with China, underemployment and intergenerational poverty, sexism / racism / ageism, environmental degradation, education, health, roads and many more.

We'd be far better off to stop pulling society apart with extremism and collectively walk forward.

Smurf please forgive me I am just venting my frustrations, the practice of culture wars by the extreme right and right side of politics particularly in the US and the flow on into Australia politics drives me nuts.

As I said earlier its literary Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Republicans in the US and a large part of the conservative movement here in Oz only ever see the peasants (you and I) as a resource and to capture votes they then run the culture war BS simply because they don't have anything else.

This all creates divisions which is the sole intent so that tribalism can over Trump supporters fit this concept nicely.

The "woke" thing is a prime example

 

[sptrawler]

Craig Kelly leader of the United Australia Party egged and called a Nazi.

Craig Kelly egged by angry woman at Melbourne gathering

Footage posted to social media appears to show United Australia Party leader Craig Kelly being egged at a gathering in Melbourne on Friday.

thenewdaily.com.au

In a statement. Victoria Police said a witness on a bicycle followed the women as they ran from the South Yarra park to a vehicle waiting nearby.

They said the cyclist parked his bike in front of the car, before the male driver of the car allegedly ran over his foot, causing minor injuries.

The cyclist then followed the car to nearby Toorak Road, where the driver exchanged details with the cyclist before driving away with the two women.

 

[moXJO]

Here's another example of the idiocy

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/small-cake-shop-brutally-trolled-for-simple-gesture-during-pm-visit/news-story/d50c23fe19d9100f4cc126f46bae8ad8

Personally I see them helping to get the libs get back in.

 

[moXJO]

Smurf please forgive me I am just venting my frustrations, the practice of culture wars by the extreme right and right side of politics particularly in the US and the flow on into Australia politics drives me nuts.

As I said earlier its literary Turkeys voting for Xmas.

Republicans in the US and a large part of the conservative movement here in Oz only ever see the peasants (you and I) as a resource and to capture votes they then run the culture war BS simply because they don't have anything else.

This all creates divisions which is the sole intent so that tribalism can over Trump supporters fit this concept nicely.

The "woke" thing is a prime example

You do realise it's been the "woke" screeching like banshees, eating up every media lie and running with it?

 

[macca]

Here's another example of the idiocy

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/small-cake-shop-brutally-trolled-for-simple-gesture-during-pm-visit/news-story/d50c23fe19d9100f4cc126f46bae8ad8

Personally I see them helping to get the libs get back in.

me too, I posted this under Scomo thread

 

[Smurf1976]

The "woke" thing is a prime example

I think you're fighting a losing battle with that one.

Woke is one of those words that has been so contorted in its use and meaning that the alternative new meaning is the only one of relevance going forward.

It's like certain expletives or insults that have been around for decades. The word had some other actual meaning but these days the alternative use is so widely known and used that use of it in the original context would be deemed totally inappropriate and leave most people confused.

Even in professional and technical fields that is true, there's a few words that are now actively avoided since whilst factually correct, the ignorant masses have butchered their meaning and done so widely enough that it's best to avoid using them so as to avoid confusion in the event that someone reads the document and is only aware of the butchered alternative meaning.

Ideally we'd keep the proper meaning and put the fools back in their box but in reality it's a losing battle trying to do so.

 

[wayneL]

I think you're fighting a losing battle with that one.

Woke is one of those words that has been so contorted in its use and meaning that the alternative new meaning is the only one of relevance going forward.

It's like certain expletives or insults that have been around for decades. The word had some other actual meaning but these days the alternative use is so widely known and used that use of it in the original context would be deemed totally inappropriate and leave most people confused.

Even in professional and technical fields that is true, there's a few words that are now actively avoided since whilst factually correct, the ignorant masses have butchered their meaning and done so widely enough that it's best to avoid using them so as to avoid confusion in the event that someone reads the document and is only aware of the butchered alternative meaning.

Ideally we'd keep the proper meaning and put the fools back in their box but in reality it's a losing battle trying to do so.

The world liberal in politics is actually quite a funny one also. It has quite different meanings in the USA, Britain, and here.