Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[moXJO]

Victoria has been in stuck in various forms of lock down for about the last 15 years.
Mick

Feels longer than that

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting study, as to the long term effectiveness of Pfizer Vs AstraZeneca.

The AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is as effective as Pfizer, study shows

Yet another study has shown that two doses of Pfizer and two doses of AstraZeneca are equal in preventing serious illness and hospitalisation.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[IFocus]

Interesting study, as to the long term effectiveness of Pfizer Vs AstraZeneca.

The AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is as effective as Pfizer, study shows

Yet another study has shown that two doses of Pfizer and two doses of AstraZeneca are equal in preventing serious illness and hospitalisation.

thenewdaily.com.au

Lucky you listen to our advice SP ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

[sptrawler]

Lucky you listen to our advice SP ? ? ? ? ? ?

That's the thing with me IFocus, I listen to everyone's advice, then decide which to take.

If you read right back through this thread, I haven't given any advice, unlike a lot of others.

If I want advice, like you I will ask my other half, who has some knowledge in the area. The last place I would be searching for medical advice, is on a stock forum, even though many feel they are experts in all fields. ? ? ? ?

 

[IFocus]

That's the thing with me IFocus, I listen to everyone's advice, then decide which to take.

If you read right back through this thread, I haven't given any advice, unlike a lot of others.

If I want advice, like you I will ask my other half, who has some knowledge in the area. The last place I would be searching for medical advice, is on a stock forum, even though many feel they are experts in all fields. ? ? ? ?

Very true SP I am lucky that I am surrounded by many in the family that have medical backgrounds across a few areas ( a couple are pharmacists') one who sits on a government board that aproves drugs etc and all are generally reluctant to give family advice but normally will talk about the risks, negatives and positives of any medications (not aware of any drug / medication that doesn't carry risk).

So for me and family getting vaccinated was a no brainer but I do cringe reading so much BS / dog whistle from the fringe / conspiracy / twitter / facebook / utube and Fox / Murdoch press etc then you get to pollicization (US).

Then I have a friend who lectures me that I am only doing what my masters are telling me to do.

I wonder where it all ends up?

 

[sptrawler]

People listen to whoever resonates with their personal beliefs, be that medical, political, spiritual, moral, the ones who are really lost are those who place all their trust based on the source and dismiss other information based on the source.
All sides have agendas and self interests, the last people to ever find out are the plebs.
What did Ben Franklin say "believe half of what you see and non of what you hear"
That applies 10 fold in todays world.

 

[wayneL]

Meanwhile, a woman suffering cancer and undergoing treatment, has been denied re-entry to Qld after attending her father's funeral in Vic.

This should disgust even our resident brownshirts.

 

[sptrawler]

Meanwhile, a woman suffering cancer and undergoing treatment, has been denied re-entry to Qld after attending her father's funeral in Vic.

This should disgust even our resident brownshirts.

It is strange that there isn't an uproar, when you consider the amount of outcry about the controlled entry of Australians, who want to return home.

 

[mullokintyre]

Meanwhile, a woman suffering cancer and undergoing treatment, has been denied re-entry to Qld after attending her father's funeral in Vic.

This should disgust even our resident brownshirts.

As usual, the elites don't think the rules apply to them, its only for the great unwashed.
Let them eat cake she said.
Mick

 

[IFocus]

People listen to whoever resonates with their personal beliefs, be that medical, political, spiritual, moral, the ones who are really lost are those who place all their trust based on the source and dismiss other information based on the source.
All sides have agendas and self interests, the last people to ever find out are the plebs.
What did Ben Franklin say "believe half of what you see and non of what you hear"
That applies 10 fold in todays world.

Australia has a very experienced well educated, world class, independent and quite conservative medical advisory / overseeing / publicly responsible bodies / groups.

These very people have spent their entire lives trying to improve public health.

And yet people will take a bad experience with a GP or specialist condemn all and listen to some peanut on Utube, twitter, Facebook or nut case website.

Such is the modern world people have forsaken religious beliefs for conspiracy beliefs.

 

[mullokintyre]

From World News

Western Sydney brothel shut down, fines issued​

A brothel in Sydney’s west has been shut down and $12,500 in fines issued after police allege it was operating in breach of the public health order and no one at the premises was wearing a face mask.
One woman is also due to face court in October after allegedly attempting to return to the address.
Officers were called to the brothel in Rydalmere about 10.15pm on Monday after receiving a tip-off via Crime Stoppers that the business was still in operation.
Rydalmere is in the Parramatta local government area, considered an area of concern by the NSW government and under tighter lockdown restrictions including a 9pm to 5am curfew.
Police spoke with the 57-year-old female owner before entering the premises and finding three women aged 31, 36 and 56, considered employees, and two men aged 56 and 57, considered patrons.

Wondering if the fines were for
(a) opening outside curfew hours
(b) Operating a non essential business during lockdown (are there lists of these things?).
(c) Not wearing facemasks inside
(d) All of the above.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like the vaccine roll out is hitting the sweet spot, hesitancy falling, delta strain causing urgency and vaccines arriving. Singapore seem to be working with Australia, sending vaccine that is due to expire, in return for ours that hasn't arrived. BNPL vaccines.?

Extra 500,000 Pfizer doses on the way from Singapore in vaccine swap

Singapore will soon send half a million Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine doses to Australia as part of a "swap" between the two countries, delivering a boost to the nation's vaccination program.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:
Singapore will soon send half a million Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine doses to Australia as part of a "vaccine swap" between the two countries, delivering a boost to the nation's vaccination program.
Under the agreement, Australia will receive 500,000 Pfizer doses that are due to expire.
The federal government will then deliver half a million Pfizer vaccines back to Singapore in December, when Australia is expected to have ample supplies.

 

[sptrawler]

Australia has a very experienced well educated, world class, independent and quite conservative medical advisory / overseeing / publicly responsible bodies / groups.

These very people have spent their entire lives trying to improve public health.

And yet people will take a bad experience with a GP or specialist condemn all and listen to some peanut on Utube, twitter, Facebook or nut case website.

Such is the modern world people have forsaken religious beliefs for conspiracy beliefs.

That is exactly why, I haven't given anyone any advice on whether to get the vaccine or not, as I said only one of my 4 kids and 8 grandkids have had the vaccine.
The way I look at it is, the information is there for all to hear and read, there is a risk but that applies to having it and not having it.
If anything there has been information overload not all of it helpful, IMO the media has caused the hesitancy and now is saying very little. Maybe they should have tried that tack, in the early stages of the outbreak.

The problem I have is, if I nagged one of my kids or one of my mates into having the vaccine or their spouse having it and something adverse did happen I wouldn't feel that good about myself. It's all well and good if it goes well and you can say "I told you so", it isn't so good if they say "why did you talk us into it", because they were the one in a million who have an adverse outcome.

They have asked me for my opinion, I just tell them I have had the first shot, which vaccine and my reasoning.
It isn't for me, to tell them to have it, just my opinion.
IMO it is just another issue that will become self resolving, everyone will eventually get vaccinated, or will contract the virus and either survive with immunity or the other outcome.
It is becoming obvious it isn't going away and the Government isn't going to keep closing everything forever, to keep it out.

 

[sptrawler]

The Israel outbreak of the Delta strain, still causing havoc despite high vaccination rates.

Grim new Covid record in world's most vaccinated country

The nation has reported a staggering new record of daily Covid cases - but scientists are adamant the vaccines are working. Find out more here.

au.news.yahoo.com

From the article:
Israel is offering third shots to everyone aged 12 and up, but herd immunity remains difficult to reach, with some 2.13 million children under 12 who can only be vaccinated in exceptional cases.

Israel decided to roll out third vaccinations based on Health Ministry figures suggesting the vaccine's effectiveness had declined sharply since the beginning of June among those who had received the first round of jabs.

Meanwhile, the country is battling with the spread of the more contagious Delta variant.

 

[basilio]

More and more and more insanity from anti vaxxers.

Welsh teen in hospital with Covid targeted online by anti-vaxxers ​

17-year-old accused of being an “actress paid by the government” after urging young people to get vaccinated

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Maisy Evans, from Newport, South Wales, has been targeted by online trolls after sharing her experiences of being hospitalised with Covid. Photograph: Maisy Evans

Nadeem Badshah
Tue 31 Aug 2021 20.19 BST
Last modified on Tue 31 Aug 2021 22.05 BST



A 17-year-old in hospital with coronavirus has said she has been targeted by anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists on social media after urging young people to have the vaccine.
Maisy Evans said she has been accused of being a “liar” and an “actress paid by the government” by online trolls.

The teenager has had symptoms including dizziness, shortness of breath, headaches, a loss of smell and taste, as well as suffering a Covid-related blood clot on her lung. She tested positive for the virus on 14 August, three days after having her first Pfizer jab.
However, doctors have insisted her illness and her blood clot are unrelated to the vaccine.

Evans, from Newport, south Wales, told Sky News: “I’ve had to deal with a lot of anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists which is deeply frustrating.
“I’ve been called a liar, an actress paid by the government to push certain agendas, Satan, a Nazi, evil, and so many more things.

Welsh teen in hospital with Covid targeted online by anti-vaxxers

17-year-old accused of being an “actress paid by the government” after urging young people to get vaccinated

www.theguardian.com

 

[wayneL]

But being told to die because you want to wait a bit before possibly getting a Vax is okay, right @basilio?

 

[wayneL]

And how 'bout dem apples:

 

[basilio]

Nothing like cheery picking and diversion to support an insupportable argument is there ?

I post about the poisonous insanity of (some ?) antivaxxers accusing a young COVID sick girl of being "a stooge, a liar and a paid actress."
Her take home home message is "Please get vaccinated because this virus is real and dangerous".

The response ? Oh I'm just thinking about exactly when I might consider getting vaccinated after all the proper processes are completed that rule out ........ WTF !

And then the coup de grace. Australia by some luck and a rigorous approach to quarantine/lockdown has so far not suffered the overwhelming death rates of scores of other countries. And this piece of cherry picking mischief is used to show what ? That "The Flu is worse than Covid. Don't worry just get out there "you'll be right". The idea of seeing what is happening elsewhere and learning from their disasters ? Nah not us.

There is no perfect answer. We deal with the best information and the best resources we have at the time. Right now we know that COVID is dangerous and becoming more dangerous as it mutates and spreads.

We also know that the vaccines we have will offer protection and on all the evidence to date substantially reduce the effects of an infection.

 

[Belli]

Right now we know that COVID is dangerous and becoming more dangerous as it mutates and spreads.

For those who falsely claim influenza is no worse than flue and deaths for flu are greater will they be so kind enough to post comparable data along these lines in regard to Covid where flu cases required as much as or greater than 31% of ICU beds and acconted for 14% of occupied hospital beds.

 

[rederob]

But being told to die because you want to wait a bit before possibly getting a Vax is okay, right @basilio?

Comments like these are symptomatic of the irrational thoughts of those who can't work out how serious the threat of covid is in our communities.
Aside from the fact that nobody is being told to die as @wayneL suggests, the only reason to wait for a jab is if there are reasons that warrant a delay.
Whether or not we agree with the National Cabinet plan to open our economy, it is dependent on achieving at least 70% full vaccination rates as quickly as possible. In that regard each and every one of us can contribute to this outcome.
The anecdotal evidence suggest that those publicly protesting for their "freedom" are often drawn from either the antivaxxer, conspiracy theory, or "it's just like the flu" camps. The sad irony is that these same people will push back the dates for reducing lockdowns and restrictions.