Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[moXJO]

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Wow. To much truth for half the posters in here

 

[SirRumpole]

Not quite the same COVID takes 10 days to three or more weeks to kill you heart disease 30 to 70 years, for the most medically tech-ed up country with the best leading researchers and leading medical knowledge on infectious deceases to have the highest death rate per capita then clearly some thing is wrong.

Trumps behaviour explains most of the problem particularly when you compare to the Australian Federal Government chalk and cheese..

To be fair, the logistics are a lot different.

USA 330 million pop and 50 states vs Australia 25 million and 6 states.

Not withstanding that, Trumps disdain for medical experts and what is going on around him is staggering. He could have done a lot more , like listening to Faucci for one .

 

[Knobby22]

To be fair, the logistics are a lot different.

USA 330 million pop and 50 states vs Australia 25 million and 6 states.

Not withstanding that, Trumps disdain for medical experts and what is going on around him is staggering. He could have done a lot more , like listening to Faucci for one .

The naked truth is true Conservatives don't want Trump.

Now that he is looking like losing badly the hard nosed Wall Street operatives are causing the USA stock market to rally strongly. I think it will continue to rally if Biden maintains the lead. The real fear is that it is close and Trump instigates a constitutional crisis.

I heard one Republican former advisor say he doesn't want Trump to die from Covid as Trumpism would remain in some form. He wants Trump to get smashed so the stain of Trump can be removed from the party and they can be decent Conservatives again.

A steady hand under Biden, a decent stimulus package and a stop to the demonstrations as relief sets in will mean that the country can start growing again. Hence the stock market rise.

History shows the stock market does better on average under Democrat leadership and I think the next 4 years will be no different.

 

[bellenuit]

to have the highest death rate per capita then clearly some thing is wrong.

The are the 10th highest per capita, but nevertheless an appalling outcome. They are highest in absolute terms.

 

[sptrawler]

Not quite the same COVID takes 10 days to three or more weeks to kill you heart disease 30 to 70 years, for the most medically tech-ed up country with the best leading researchers and leading medical knowledge on infectious deceases to have the highest death rate per capita then clearly some thing is wrong.

Trumps behaviour explains most of the problem particularly when you compare to the Australian Federal Government chalk and cheese..

I don't disagree with you, but there has to be an end game, quoting what is in reality quite low numbers and sensationalising them, is losing its shine IMO
Also I'm a great believer in not getting the virus and W.A, Tasmania and the South pacific islands etc I feel are doing the right thing, but where it is running rampant Europe the U.S etc there has to be a degree of acceptance IMO.
The chances of halting it is obviously well past, so in reality the time for shock and awe is well past, constantly bashing Daniel Andrews and Trump is becoming counter productive IMO.
Everyone is getting numb to the constant barrage, the media could achieve a lot more by being more passive and highlighting the success stories, which would put a lot more pressure on those that aren't performing.
At the end of the day most of the responsibility is down to the individual, constantly putting the focus on the leaders, makes it appear they have some form of magic wand but aren't prepared to use it.
The pressure should be brought to bear on peoples behaviour IMO, it is the only way that transmission will reduce and hopefully a vaccine is found.
210,000 deaths linked loosely to the virus, from a population of 350,000,000, probably isn't the best way to describe the severity of the issue IMO.
Again just my opinion, but many are loosing everything, to them it needs to be explained in a more realistic format.
Comparing Australia with the U.S is really comparing apples and oranges, as Rumpy has stated.
Completely shutting down the U.S just wouldn't happen, the States all work differently, the social upheaval would be far worse than the virus IMO.

 

[Knobby22]

Great cartoon

 

[sptrawler]

Not quite the same COVID takes 10 days to three or more weeks to kill you heart disease 30 to 70 years, for the most medically tech-ed up country with the best leading researchers and leading medical knowledge on infectious deceases to have the highest death rate per capita then clearly some thing is wrong.

Trumps behaviour explains most of the problem particularly when you compare to the Australian Federal Government chalk and cheese..

That's another bit of irony isn't it everyone is outraged at trump lack of concern for the virus and no one says anytrhing to parents with obese children.

 

[satanoperca]

That's another bit of irony isn't it everyone is outraged at trump lack of concern for the virus and no one says anytrhing to parents with obese children.

Which came first, the obese parents or the obese children? Chicken and egg stuff.

You have much greater control over not being obese than you have over catching a virus.

 

[Knobby22]

That's another bit of irony isn't it everyone is outraged at trump lack of concern for the virus and no one says anytrhing to parents with obese children.

Its not the lack of concern for the virus, it's the lack of concern for the people!

Morrison and Adern (who it looked likes won the election), your Premier and most of the other Premiers are doing well because it appears they give a damn.

I was reading in the AFR that it is the older Republican voters that have switched. Florida is looking grim for Trump.

 

[sptrawler]

Its not the lack of concern for the virus, it's the lack of concern for the people!

Morrison and Adern (who it looked likes won the election), your Premier and most of the other Premiers are doing well because it appears they give a damn.

I was reading in the AFR that it is the older Republican voters that have switched. Florida is looking grim for Trump.

Yet no one jumps on them for not doing anything about heart desease, which in reality will no doubt kill many more.
Parents cant smack their children, but they can make them super obese, I guess it is just what the media wants to highlight.
Getting back to Trump, he isnt forcing people to social distance, use safe hygene and stay indoors and he is hammered.
Yet if he said parents who have obese children, would have to attend compulsory nutrition courses, he would be hammered for infringing personal rights, yet there is every likelyhood the child will suffer more from obesity than the virus.
So where is the concern.

 

[basilio]

I'm a bit bewildered (nah.) by people trying to put some lipstick on Donald Trump.

This story outlines the big issues of the Trump administration and explores where he intends to take the US f over the next few months


Trump said he could kill and win – Covid and cheating may prove it
Robert Reich

He said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes. Now 210,000 are dead and he’s scheming to keep power

‘Trump’s Fifth Avenue principle has kept him in power for almost four years of death and mayhem that would have doomed the presidencies of anyone else.’ Photograph: The White House/Reuters
Sun 11 Oct 2020 01.00 EDT

“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Donald Trump boasted in 2016. He thought his almost unlimited bravado, bombast and dominance of any situation allowed him to get away with figurative murder.

Since then, the president’s Fifth Avenue principle has been repeatedly tested – most notably by the Access Hollywood tape, Robert Mueller’s findings that Trump obstructed justice and his campaign aides cooperated with Russia, overt racism, quid pro quo to the president of Ukraine, and impeachment – yet some 40% of American voters have stuck by him notwithstanding.

That’s all he’s needed. And for reasons I’ll explain in a moment, he’s counting on them to preserve his presidency after 3 November.

They’ve stuck by him even as more than 210,000 Americans have died from Covid-19, one of the world’s highest death rates – due in part to Trump initially downplaying its dangers, then refusing responsibility for it, promoting quack remedies for it, muzzling government experts on it, pushing states to reopen despite it, and discouraging people from wearing masks.

Trump is in effect standing in the middle of Fifth Avenue, killing off tens of thousands of Americans

They’ve stuck by him even after he turned the White House into a hotspot for the virus, even after he caught it himself, and even after asserting just days ago that it’s less lethal than the flu. A recent nonpartisan study concluded that Trump’s blatant disinformation has been the largest driver of Covid misinformation in the world.

They’ve stuck by him even as more than 11 million Americans have lost their jobs, 40 million risk eviction from their homes, 14 million have lost health insurance, and one out of seven small businesses has permanently shuttered. Yet Trump cut off talks on economic relief (he’s now backtracking a bit), and is pushing the supreme court to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which would cause 20 million more to lose health insurance.

Trump is in effect standing in the middle of Fifth Avenue, killing off tens of thousands of Americans. Yet here we are, just a few weeks before the election, and his supporters haven’t budged. The latest polls show him with 40% to 43% of voters, while Joe Biden has a bare majority.

But the most egregious test of Trump’s Fifth Avenue principle is still to come. He is counting on his supporters to keep him in power even after he loses the popular vote.

Trump said he could kill and win – Covid and cheating may prove it | Robert Reich

He said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose votes. Now 210,000 are dead and he’s scheming to keep power

www.theguardian.com

 

[Knobby22]

Yet no one jumps on them for not doing anything about heart desease, which in reality will no doubt kill many more.
Parents cant smack their children, but they can make them super obese, I guess it is just what the media wants to highlight.
Getting back to Trump, he isnt forcing people to social distance, use safe hygene and stay indoors and he is hammered.
Yet if he said parents who have obese children, would have to attend compulsory nutrition courses, he would be hammered for infringing personal rights, yet there is every likelyhood the child will suffer more from obesity than the virus.
So where is the concern.

All he had to do was say the virus was serious and seek advice from the health experts. Coordinate a response.

Instead he initially said it was not serious even though it was. Slowing the response and not letting people protect themselves.

He attacked state governments that did do something.

He was slow to start testing, he is reducing testing now in a bid to get numbers down.

The USA is now no. 1 country of deaths in the world.

Only 10 % of the population has caught it, 90% to go.

He is not acting in the interests of the ordinary people. Hence why so many Republicans are temporarily voting Biden.

To be fair he is doing stuff with healthcare though. Refer link.
Now he has control of the High Court he can achieve a lot.

Trump Administration Asks Supreme Court to Strike Down Affordable Care Act (Published 2020)

If successful, the move would permanently end the health insurance program popularly known as Obamacare and wipe out coverage for as many as 23 million Americans.

www.nytimes.com

 

[IFocus]

Yet no one jumps on them for not doing anything about heart desease, which in reality will no doubt kill many more.

I have heart disease (two stents to prove it) in my case its hereditary (won lotto there).

I would likely be classed as under weight, almost vegie diet, fitness heart rate of high 40's low 50's normal blood pressure, doesn't matter if you are predisposed you get it.

Its now completely treatable such is the technology what's missing is an easy screening method (although its getting close) there has actually been massive work / research and improvement in the area.

 

[sptrawler]

I have heart disease (two stents to prove it) in my case its hereditary (won lotto there).

I would likely be classed as under weight, almost vegie diet, fitness heart rate of high 40's low 50's normal blood pressure, doesn't matter if you are predisposed you get it.

Its now completely treatable such is the technology what's missing is an easy screening method (although its getting close) there has actually been massive work / research and improvement in the area.

So I guess morbidly obese children isn't an issue then, that's good.

 

[sptrawler]

All he had to do was say the virus was serious and seek advice from the health experts. Coordinate a response.

Instead he initially said it was not serious even though it was. Slowing the response and not letting people protect themselves.

He attacked state governments that did do something.

He was slow to start testing, he is reducing testing now in a bid to get numbers down.

The USA is now no. 1 country of deaths in the world.

Only 10 % of the population has caught it, 90% to go.

He is not acting in the interests of the ordinary people. Hence why so many Republicans are temporarily voting Biden.

To be fair he is doing stuff with healthcare though. Refer link.
Now he has control of the High Court he can achieve a lot.

Trump Administration Asks Supreme Court to Strike Down Affordable Care Act (Published 2020)

If successful, the move would permanently end the health insurance program popularly known as Obamacare and wipe out coverage for as many as 23 million Americans.

www.nytimes.com

Ordinary people should be acting in their own interest, they know the information it is up to them how they respond to it.
Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, to blame him for people listening to him, is laying the problem at the wrong feet.
People being responsible for their own actions appears to be a fading trait, it won't be long before people won't take responsibility for anything. To avoid the virus personal hygiene and social distancing appears to work.
If one Muppet can overturn people's common sense, well god bless them, they are going to struggle through life.
Just my opinion.
In reality all that needed to be done was common sense and personal hygiene, that seems to be beyond people, many were told not to go to a rally but did, so much for just telling people.

 

[moXJO]

All he had to do was say the virus was serious and seek advice from the health experts. Coordinate a response.

Instead he initially said it was not serious even though it was. Slowing the response and not letting people protect themselves.

He attacked state governments that did do something.

He was slow to start testing, he is reducing testing now in a bid to get numbers down.

The USA is now no. 1 country of deaths in the world.

Only 10 % of the population has caught it, 90% to go.

He is not acting in the interests of the ordinary people. Hence why so many Republicans are temporarily voting Biden.

To be fair he is doing stuff with healthcare though. Refer link.
Now he has control of the High Court he can achieve a lot.

Trump Administration Asks Supreme Court to Strike Down Affordable Care Act (Published 2020)

If successful, the move would permanently end the health insurance program popularly known as Obamacare and wipe out coverage for as many as 23 million Americans.

www.nytimes.com

This seems like a revised version of history.

 

[Knobby22]

This seems like a revised version of history.

Which bit. Do you want links?

 

[Knobby22]

Ordinary people should be acting in their own interest, they know the information it is up to them how they respond to it.
Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, to blame him for people listening to him, is laying the problem at the wrong feet.
People being responsible for their own actions appears to be a fading trait, it won't be long before people won't take responsibility for anything. To avoid the virus personal hygiene and social distancing appears to work.
If one Muppet can overturn people's common sense, well god bless them, they are going to struggle through life.
Just my opinion.
In reality all that needed to be done was common sense and personal hygiene, that seems to be beyond people, many were told not to go to a rally but did, so much for just telling people.

He is the President. Simple as that.

 

[IFocus]

So I guess morbidly obese children isn't an issue then, that's good.

Of course its a problem diabetes, heart disease and so on but you don't catch it from some one else, entirely self inflicted surely you are not for the nanny state running peoples lives?

I would happily like to see sugar / salt / saturated fats loaded food banned......but that would be nanny state interference, left wing control etc.
Hell next thing we would have renewable power, climate change policy, Federal ICAC, full time work for all, penalty rates, fair working conditions, public housing, less marketing for politics, pigs flying overhead

 

[sptrawler]

Of course its a problem diabetes, heart disease and so on but you don't catch it from some one else, entirely self inflicted surely you are not for the nanny state running peoples lives?

I would happily like to see sugar / salt / saturated fats loaded food banned......but that would be nanny state interference, left wing control etc.
Hell next thing we would have renewable power, climate change policy, Federal ICAC, full time work for all, penalty rates, fair working conditions, public housing, less marketing for politics, pigs flying overhead

Apparently everyone does want a nanny state, they are cheering on politicians who enforce a nanny state.
70% of W.A people want a closed border, even with Tassie, which has no cases. Me included, butdoes that make us and McGowan right, or does it just fit with our personal belief?
Also generally children do catch diabetes, heart desease from someone else, usually their parents life choices.
Much like those who choose to ignore covid warnings, it is just not PC to mention certain failings of people.