Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[moXJO]

Trump has been the greatest threat to the western world (particularly Australia) over the last 80 years as he has broken / trashed many western alliances all the while China continues to build while encourages the divisions both in the alliances and domestically Rome burns while Trump praises himself.

Trump BTW has done the same internally in the US there is no longer a team America.

How much were UN countries spending on defence before Trump?

He told them to pull their weight. He also boosted military spending after it was trashed after Obama. Those "alliances" you mentioned were coasting on the hope that US would keep wasting defense dollars protecting them with little in return.

Russia didn't walk into the Ukraine on Trumps watch either.

Trump has been in for less then 4 years, yet you are blaming him for problems decades in the making.

Yep

 

[satanoperca]

How much were UN countries spending on defence before Trump?

He told them to pull their weight. He also boosted military spending after it was trashed after Obama. Those "alliances" you mentioned were coasting on the hope that US would keep wasting defense dollars protecting them with little in return.

Russia didn't walk into the Ukraine on Trumps watch either.

Trump has been in for less then 4 years, yet you are blaming him for problems decades in the making.

Yep

But he continues to lie.

 

[IFocus]

How much were UN countries spending on defence before Trump?

He told them to pull their weight. He also boosted military spending after it was trashed after Obama. Those "alliances" you mentioned were coasting on the hope that US would keep wasting defense dollars protecting them with little in return.

Russia didn't walk into the Ukraine on Trumps watch either.

Trump has been in for less then 4 years, yet you are blaming him for problems decades in the making.

Yep

US bases and military spending were for the US to project its power both economically and military exactly what China is about now.

US is causing distrust while China is expanding

Trump has broken that relationship this is extremely dangerous for Australia.

Biden will seek to repair alliances but might be to late.

 

[moXJO]

US bases and military spending were for the US to project its power both economically and military exactly what China is about now.

US is causing distrust while China is expanding

Trump has broken that relationship this is extremely dangerous for Australia.

Biden will seek to repair alliances but might be to late.

China is hated amongst many of the places it used debt traps. Trump was the one that successfully took China to task as they were taking advantage across the world.

Before that everyone was lapping up the trade. And losing patents and tech. Australia needed the wake up call. We were selling out the farm.
Fostering relationships with those around us is more important then the US.

 

[satanoperca]

China is hated amongst many of the places it used debt traps. Trump was the one that successfully took China to task as they were taking advantage across the world.

Before that everyone was lapping up the trade. And losing patents and tech. Australia needed the wake up call. We were selling out the farm.
Fostering relationships with those around us is more important then the US.

Can you elaborate and please no political speak, if you cannot answer the question, then don't, move to the next one.

"China is hated amongst many of the places it used debt traps." Who, and the USA have not implemented the same in the past, world war 11 an d the British Empire

"Australia needed the wake up call." Correction, Australians need the wake up call. Australia is a place not a collective of people who can force change.

"We were selling out the farm." Not we, but rather our political elite who are elected by people who choose not to take the time to work out how they are being sold out.

We sold the farm a long time ago.

"Fostering relationships with those around us is more important then the US." What nations are they?

 

[moXJO]

Can you elaborate and please no political speak, if you cannot answer the question, then don't, move to the next one.

1. "China is hated amongst many of the places it used debt traps." Who, and the USA have not implemented the same in the past, world war 11 an d the British Empire

2. "Australia needed the wake up call." Correction, Australians need the wake up call. Australia is a place not a collective of people who can force change.

3. "We were selling out the farm." Not we, but rather our political elite who are elected by people who choose not to take the time to work out how they are being sold out.

We sold the farm a long time ago.

4. "Fostering relationships with those around us is more important then the US." What nations are they?

I'll keep it short:

1. Sri Lanka
The rest of your question was a history lesson.
Debt of at least 20% of their nominal GDP to China:
Djibouti, Tonga, Maldives, the Republic of the Congo, Kyrgyzstan, Cambodia, Niger, Laos, Zambia, Samoa, Vanuatu, and Mongolia.

2. ns there's the missing letters to add to the above. Is this a question?

3. I pretty much agree. But the strong stance was post Trump.

4. Literally everyone above us and below Russia.

 

[satanoperca]

I'll keep it short:

1. Sri Lanka
The rest of your question was a history lesson.
Debt of at least 20% of their nominal GDP to China:
Djibouti, Tonga, Maldives, the Republic of the Congo, Kyrgyzstan, Cambodia, Niger, Laos, Zambia, Samoa, Vanuatu, and Mongolia.

2. ns there's the missing letters to add to the above. Is this a question?

3. I pretty much agree. But the strong stance was post Trump.

4. Literally everyone above us and below Russia.

Thanks, but I still fail to see how you see the US as any better than China.

US conquers by force
China conquers by trade

Did the US, the people, the govnuts send their manufacturing to China?

Australia did, and I speak from the heart as I had to close down a manufacturing business 2 decades ago, as I could not complete against the Chinese. Who's fault was it, I don't know? But still had to make the decision

So if you want to keep defending Chump, go for it, but he is no different to every other business man/woman, it is all about the dollar.

Please prove me wrong.

 

[sptrawler]

Two wrongs don't make a right, in reality Australia is at a junction IMO.
To the left is a system that is dominated by China and its social and political structures, to the right is the U.S and its structures, ours have been built on a system more closely aligned to the U.S model.
If people want change we can only hope it is for the better, I don't see many refugees rushing to get to a Chinese or indeed any Asian country, on the other hand there are many fighting to get into the U.S, Canada, U.K and Australia.
Maybe the time is right for change, maybe we deserve it, what is the old saying "you don't realise what you've got, till it's gone" .
Our Country is fast becoming multicultural, and has a strong Asian presence, which is fine we will probably be majority Asian in 50 years.
If we keep kicking the U.S in the nuts and embracing China, the public perception will change and votes will change then foreign ownership laws change.
Like I said it isn't about Trump or Biden it is more about which countries business model we chose, it is about which business model we wish to align ourselves with, I personally don't like either but if I have to chose I will stay with what we have.
Just my thoughts.

On a lighter note the LA Lakers won apparently, social distancing wasn't high on the agenda. lol

Wild scenes as LA descends into chaos

The streets of Los Angeles have been overtaken by a sea of purple and gold as Lakers fans celebrate their team winning a historic 17th NBA championship.

www.news.com.au

 

[moXJO]

Thanks, but I still fail to see how you see the US as any better than China.

US conquers by force
China conquers by trade

Did the US, the people, the govnuts send their manufacturing to China?

Australia did, and I speak from the heart as I had to close down a manufacturing business 2 decades ago, as I could not complete against the Chinese. Who's fault was it, I don't know? But still had to make the decision

So if you want to keep defending Chump, go for it, but he is no different to every other business man/woman, it is all about the dollar.

Please prove me wrong.

Remember a time when everyone wanted a leader that wasn't part of the establishment. That did things differently.
Well here he is and everyone pissed and moaned about it for 4 years.

Trump at least tried against huge resistance. China has been called out along with globalism.
He wasn't part of the system that sold out. And has at least attempted peace where it would have been bombs before.

Politics whether people like it or not have changed more in the last 4 years then the previous 2 decades.

 

[satanoperca]

Remember a time when everyone wanted a leader that wasn't part of the establishment. That did things differently.
Well here he is and everyone pissed and moaned about it for 4 years.

When, who, what time was that, who is everyone, can you again clarify with these radical self-belief statements?

Chump got in because no one wanted Hillary, not because he represented change. He has changed things, I agree, divided a nation and left the US in more debt.

Our that is right, you are correct, he su--ked off the NK, that seems have done bugger all of nothing, cannot even give a blo----w job effectively.

 

[moXJO]

When, who, what time was that, who is everyone, can you again clarify with these radical self-belief statements?

When Bush was in power.
Which lead to Obama.
Which lead to Trump.
Which said a lot about Hillary.

Again, Hillary personified the establishment. Trumps whole platform was anti establishment.
It was 4 years ago come on.

 

[satanoperca]

When was the wall going to be built again?

 

[IFocus]

Last month the price of derivatives (insurance traders take out to protect themselves from sharp moves in the market) shot up, as investors believed the US election result would be contested for weeks or months.

Two events have since taken place: the first US presidential debate, and Donald Trump contracting coronavirus.

Westpac senior currency strategist Sean Callow has been following the currency markets and traders' views on who will win the election. He says since those two events, financial markets are now pricing in (predicting) a comfortable Joe Biden election victory.




The markets now predict that Donald Trump will lose the US election. Here's how we know

The markets have turned on Donald Trump — and they now predict he'll lose

Some of Trump's enthusiasm to get back to work may be driven by an uncomfortable realisation that he may lose. And currency markets are now pointing to precisely that outcome, writes David Taylor.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sptrawler]

Last month the price of derivatives (insurance traders take out to protect themselves from sharp moves in the market) shot up, as investors believed the US election result would be contested for weeks or months.

Two events have since taken place: the first US presidential debate, and Donald Trump contracting coronavirus.

Westpac senior currency strategist Sean Callow has been following the currency markets and traders' views on who will win the election. He says since those two events, financial markets are now pricing in (predicting) a comfortable Joe Biden election victory.




The markets now predict that Donald Trump will lose the US election. Here's how we know

The markets have turned on Donald Trump — and they now predict he'll lose

Some of Trump's enthusiasm to get back to work may be driven by an uncomfortable realisation that he may lose. And currency markets are now pointing to precisely that outcome, writes David Taylor.

www.abc.net.au

I think most on the forum agree that Trump is going to loose, Moxjo has stated he thinks so and I definitely do.
So it will be interesting to reflect on the U.S manufacturing and fiscal dynamics in 4 years.

 

[dutchie]

I think most on the forum agree that Trump is going to loose, Moxjo has stated he thinks so and I definitely do.
So it will be interesting to reflect on the U.S manufacturing and fiscal dynamics in 4 years.

Trump is going to romp it in.

Read the electorate.

No doubt the Dems will use any voter fraud they can to stop him, but the numbers will be too big and their only resort will be to obey Hillary's order not to concede. Four more years.

 

[Knobby22]

I think most on the forum agree that Trump is going to loose, Moxjo has stated he thinks so and I definitely do.
So it will be interesting to reflect on the U.S manufacturing and fiscal dynamics in 4 years.

Yea, maybe the Democrats can turn it around. 26.7 trillion at present!

 

[sptrawler]

Yea, maybe the Democrats can turn it around.

What support the multi nationals to offshore more manufacturing?
Time will tell, but Trump has certainly copped a hammering for trying to impose tarrifs on Chinese imports.
I haven't a clue as to the dynamics of U.S politics and am not interested in learning, all i do is try and apply logics to the events that happen.
So Trump pushes for manufacturing to return to the U.S from cheap labour countries (China), which should increase employment in the U.S, but would massively reduce the profits of the multi national companies.
The multi national companies spend billions on advertising through the media, the media hammer Trump for putting on tarrifs and anything else they can dream up, Trump gets thrown out things return to normal the multi nationals are happy the media is happy.
Just my thoughts.

 

[Knobby22]

What support the multi nationals to offshore more manufacturing?
Time will tell, but Trump has certainly copped a hammering for trying to impose tarrifs on Chinese imports.

No, turn it around, bring it back. Trump has failed on this score. Refer above charts.
All that has happened is the jobs have gone to Mexico.

Trump steel tarriffs resulted in job losses in Michigan

road to hell is paved with good intentions. if they were good intentions…

www.thestreet.com

 

[moXJO]

Trump is gooone.
Perhaps if covid hadn't turned up he could have made it through. But the hammering economy and population took will be the nail. That debate did him no favours either.

So onwards to Harris.

 

[sptrawler]

No, turn it around, bring it back. Trump has failed on this score. Refer above charts.
All that has happened is the jobs have gone to Mexico.

Trump steel tarriffs resulted in job losses in Michigan

road to hell is paved with good intentions. if they were good intentions…

www.thestreet.com

The jobs went to Mexico in the 1970's when the Lima agreement was signed, after the South American countries defaulted on their loans.

The article you posted shows trump endeavoured to protect the steel industry, but if the companies don't want to spend the money updating plant and want to instead make the profit by offshoring to exploit cheap labour countries, is that Trumps fault? They should put higher tarrifs on and force the companies to improve their plant in return.
From your article:

The tariffs did initially benefit companies including U.S. Steel and Nucor by limiting competition and boosting prices. In late 2018, U.S. Steel workers secured a cumulative 14% wage increase over a four-year period.

The tariffs also led to investment, said Jeff Ferry, chief economist at the Coalition for a Prosperous America, a bipartisan trade group. Older coal-fired plants such as Great Lakes Works closed because of outdated technology, he said.

That’s little comfort to the workers laid off from Great Lakes Works, who have found it harder to get new jobs amid the pandemic,

So in reality how you can blame Trump, just shows how effective the media brainwashing is. The company boosted profits but didn't spend any money on improving the plant and that's Trump's fault? lol
Just my opinion.
I guess the election will show if the Americans as as easily hoodwinked as the Australians.