Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

So disappointing that this is being used for political point scoring especially by the left.

That is all

Are you on the right thread here Wayne ? This is not the end Tribal conflict thread .

The current Whitehouse incumbent is marching the US into hell. The most constructive thing he could do at the moment is be quiet and let some more considered and capable people lead the response to the COVID 19 crisis.

Did I stray off course by deciding to highlight the systematic way Republicans attempt to suppress votes to get re elected ? Perhaps . But I am rather fed up with the defense of the indefensible which then turns into attacking anything else with a pulse to deflect attention from some very ordinary behaviour.

 

[basilio]

Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore were far more reasonable in their response. Mainly because they didn't believe the lies coming out of China.

Go through each Trump point and fact check it if you like. I didn't bother. Are you saying it's wrong?

I didn't say all the statements were wrong. I said they were totally selective and very carefully overlooked the grave mistakes this administration made in preparation and early responses to the crisis.

I'm saying this is even more egregious than the Chinese example because Trump and the US had the full horror what as happening in China laid out in front of them.

You rightly point out how Taiwan, Sth Korea and Singapore responded from mid/late January onwards to test, isolate and control this virus. Excellent examples to follow.

And yet Trump in the identical situation wasted 6 weeks clear weeks which allowed the virus to spread and essential preparations remain undone. Just so wrong.

The Trump administration’s botched coronavirus response, explained
From insufficient testing to a lack of coordination, Trump’s Covid-19 response has been a disaster years in the making.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli.../coronavirus-trump-covid-19-pandemic-response

 

[basilio]

Also worth looking at some more indepth history of using geopolitical names to "identify" the original centre of a disease.
And for example what was the source of "Spanish Flu" ?

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/18/21185478/coronavirus-usa-trump-chinese-virus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

 

[wayneL]

Are you on the right thread here Wayne ? This is not the end Tribal conflict thread .

The current Whitehouse incumbent is marching the US into hell. The most constructive thing he could do at the moment is be quiet and let some more considered and capable people lead the response to the COVID 19 crisis.

Did I stray off course by deciding to highlight the systematic way Republicans attempt to suppress votes to get re elected ? Perhaps . But I am rather fed up with the defense of the indefensible which then turns into attacking anything else with a pulse to deflect attention from some very ordinary behaviour.

There will be plenty of opportunity and I dare say necessity, to debate the politics of this when it is all over.

I envisage my self speaking out to defend and restore our disappearing liberties against both sides of politics.

If I still have the freedom to speak that is.

 

[sptrawler]

There will be plenty of opportunity and I dare say necessity, to debate the politics of this when it is all over.

I envisage my self speaking out to defend and restore our disappearing liberties against both sides of politics.

If I still have the freedom to speak that is.

One must remember, those who have filled their lives with climate change, have to fill it with something else, now that climate change has taken a back seat.
When this subsides, the climate change hymn book will be dusted off and the chorus will start again in joyous wails, just from a different song book.

 

[moXJO]

I didn't say all the statements were wrong. I said they were totally selective and very carefully overlooked the grave mistakes this administration made in preparation and early responses to the crisis.

I'm saying this is even more egregious than the Chinese example because Trump and the US had the full horror what as happening in China laid out in front of them.

You rightly point out how Taiwan, Sth Korea and Singapore responded from mid/late January onwards to test, isolate and control this virus. Excellent examples to follow.

And yet Trump in the identical situation wasted 6 weeks clear weeks which allowed the virus to spread and essential preparations remain undone. Just so wrong.

The Trump administration’s botched coronavirus response, explained
From insufficient testing to a lack of coordination, Trump’s Covid-19 response has been a disaster years in the making.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli.../coronavirus-trump-covid-19-pandemic-response

All refuted by the trump timeline I posted.

 

[basilio]

All refuted by the trump timeline I posted.

Magical thinking..

 

[moXJO]

Magical thinking..

It's a slow slow day.

 

[sptrawler]

Agreed. Trump's action there was political simple as that.

That said, given China is still running these markets which they say are the cause, they deserve far more than simply being disparaged. One way or another, the rest of the world is going to have to stop them. My hope is that it can be done by peaceful diplomatic means.

That's not to say that other countries haven't failed badly at this, but China continuing with these virus producing markets is inexcusable.

This seems to be the overlooked fact smurf, it isn't the first time these weird death viruses have come out of China and all we seem to be able to do is criticise the way Countries try to defend themselves.
It is an underlying thread in all these debates, avoid the underlying issue and make the symptom the issue, then constantly attack those that are trying to address the symptom.
With these viruses, stop the source problem, then billions of dollars and millions of lives wont be lost. Fairly simple really.

 

[Knobby22]

You are allowed to criticise China and also criticise a particular government for poor performance when an outbreak occurs.

It's called walking and chewing gum.

 

[sptrawler]

You are allowed to criticise China and also criticise a particular government for poor performance when an outbreak occurs.

It's called walking and chewing gum.

Absolutely, if the criticism is warranted, with Trumps response it is warranted and has been noted.
Also a record of the outbreak in the U.S should be monitored.
With China, everyone is walking on eggs?
After a while it's called being a wa#!er.
It kind of moves on from highlighting problems and issue, to obsessive compulsive, just my opinion.

 

[moXJO]

You are allowed to criticise China and also criticise a particular government for poor performance when an outbreak occurs.

It's called walking and chewing gum.

Yes.....You are.

 

[dutchie]

It's about time they did this.
https://babylonbee.com/news/mike-pence-issues-permanent-stay-at-home-order-for-women

 

[PZ99]

Nothing like a bit of satire to lighten things up around here. Thanks dutchie. LOL

 

[satanoperca]

From, we don't have a problem then > we have a small issue > issue is under control > if 100,000 people have died, we have done a great job.

What is he going to say when it is 200,000 > ?

My only fear is when is does go > 100,000 and he looses support his only option to create a war with some country - China.

4 Days and again the numbers have changed. 200,000 thousand dead forecast and he believes he has done a great job.

So if we plot the curve, in 15 days time, 1,000,000 dead in the USA and this Muppet has done a great job.

Talk about cleaning the swamp.

War is closer than most can comprehend, off to buy some ammo, crap better get a gun first

 

[Humid]

4 Days and again the numbers have changed. 200,000 thousand dead forecast and he believes he has done a great job.

So if we plot the curve, in 15 days time, 1,000,000 dead in the USA and this Muppet has done a great job.

Talk about cleaning the swamp.

War is closer than most can comprehend, off to buy some ammo, crap better get a gun first

The only war I can see for the US is civil

 

[moXJO]

4 Days and again the numbers have changed. 200,000 thousand dead forecast and he believes he has done a great job.

So if we plot the curve, in 15 days time, 1,000,000 dead in the USA and this Muppet has done a great job.

Talk about cleaning the swamp.

War is closer than most can comprehend, off to buy some ammo, crap better get a gun first

What % is that of their population?

Seems low.

 

[satanoperca]

moXJO, know where you are coming from, it is still a very small percentage, even at a million, it is still less than 0.3% of the population, however it will be the effect on it society that will cause the greatest threat.

How many people died in 9/11, and how many people died as a result of 9/11 in the following years.

 

[moXJO]

moXJO, know where you are coming from, it is still a very small percentage, even at a million, it is still less than 0.3% of the population, however it will be the effect on it society that will cause the greatest threat.

How many people died in 9/11, and how many people died as a result of 9/11 in the following years.

I'm saying there's a good chance it is going to be a lot higher
Deaths per million
France 62
Spain 201
Italy 218
US 15

 

[moXJO]

All comes down to how many get infected.

We may under shoot the 200k mark by a lot.