Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[wayneL]

eh?

I'm just noting, that Trump claimed personal credit for stocks moving higher, now he wants to blame others for stocks moving lower.

He is an imbecile.

I think you may have just been hoist by your own petard there, bro.

 

[sptrawler]

Of course U.S stocks are falling, as interest rates in the U.S are rising.
What is the average yield on the Dow, about 2.5%?
The Fed has raised interest rates and are going to continue raising them, because the economy is running hot and they are concerned about inflation.
U.S unemployment is down to 3.7%, the lowest in 50 years, is Trump allowed to take any credit for that?
Even Black unemployment is the lowest since records began.

Why wouldn't investors be moving out of equities and into safe high interest investments?

I'm sure if the interest rates in Australia, return to the long term average of around 7%, there will be plenty of people moving out of equities. Especially if the franking credit and capital gain changes come into being.

 

[basilio]

This was an interesting analysis of how far Donald Trump follows the Putin propaganda line.

Why Is Trump Spouting Russian Propaganda?
The president’s endorsement of the U.S.S.R.’s invasion of Afghanistan echoes a narrative promoted by Vladimir Putin.

10:28 AM ET

Donald Trump speaks during a Cabinet meeting on January 2, 2019.Jim Young / Reuters

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It was only one moment in a 90-minute stream of madness.

President Donald Trump convened a Cabinet meeting, at which he invited all its members to praise him for his stance on the border wall and the government shutdown. There’s always a lively competition to see which member of the Cabinet can grovel most abjectly. The newcomer Matthew Whitaker may be only the acting attorney general, but despite—or perhaps because of—that tentative status, he delivered one of the strongest entries, saluting the president for sacrificing his Christmas and New Year’s holiday for the public good, and contrasting that to members of Congress who had left Washington during the Trump-created crisis.

But that was not the crazy part.

The crazy part came during the president’s monologue defending his decision to withdraw all 2,000 U.S. troops from Syria and 7,000 from Afghanistan, about half the force in that country.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...t-endorsed-ussrs-invasion-afghanistan/579361/

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like you are assuming Putin isn't worth quoting, or is some sort of fool, just because we don't like someone doesn't make them stupid.
Far from it, I would argue, it supports the converse of the argument.
It is becoming the norm in Australia, to deride and ridicule anyone who doesn't follow the media line, it is actually dumbing down our population. IMO
It is all based on the premise, that the person with the most knowledge, is the person writing the media article.
When in most cases, it is only the reporters opinion and interpretation, of the available information.

 

[basilio]

Sounds like you are assuming Putin isn't worth quoting, or is some sort of fool, just because we don't like someone doesn't make them stupid.

Nothing to do with just saying that anything Putin says is wrong SP.
If you read the story you would have seen what actually happened in Afganisatan with the Soviets and why Putin was trying to create a new version.
The interesting question though was
"How did Donald Trump get this Putin version anyway ?"

 

[sptrawler]

"How did Donald Trump get this Putin version anyway ?"

Maybe when he was talking to him at a meeting, they have had a few. Or maybe he just rang him, because he finds that he isn't a muppet, unlike the press that wants to make stories out of anything.
How come Leyton Hewitt and his wife haven't broken up, the press has been calling it at least three times a year, when circulation is down.

 

[Darc Knight]

I heard some National Security Advisor on the wireless yesterday stating that Putin's Russia and China are (obviously) the World's biggest threats in their quest of dominance. I hope Trump firstly knows what he's doing and secondly isn't exercising his Presidential powers in the same sociopathic manner he ran his businesses ..... or we're all stuffed.

Sometimes it "takes a Wolf to catch a Wolf", but geez, it's a worry.

 

[basilio]

aybe when he was talking to him at a meeting, they have had a few. Or maybe he just rang him, because he finds that he isn't a muppet, unlike the press that wants to make stories out of anything.

Yeah... So we (you) are happy to have Donald Trump offer his take on Afghan politics from Putin ? Ignore any other National Security advice? Ignore learning some basic history ?

 

[sptrawler]

Yeah... So we (you) are happy to have Donald Trump offer his take on Afghan politics from Putin ? Ignore any other National Security advice? Ignore learning some basic history ?

I wouldn't have a clue where Trump gets his advice from, nor do I care, I have no personal contact with him so I'm sure he doesn't care what I think either.
It is a bit like the housing and stock market, do you buy and sell, dependent on what you read in the SMH?
Or do you make a judgement, based on your personal reasoning, of all the facts from various sources and observations?

 

[basilio]

I wouldn't have a clue where Trump gets his advice from, nor do I care,

Really and truly ? Trump is the Prez of the most powerful country on earth. He has his tiny fingers on the biggest red buttons. He has and exercises the capacity to make the most far reaching decisions of almost any person on earth.

All the evidence to date is that Donald Trump gets his views from Fox news. That he ignores his advisors, staff and agencies if they don't agree with him/Fox news. And now he seems to be parroting quite self serving political commentary from Vladimar Putin.

And your quite relaxed about that.. I suppose if your views are representative of enough American people than we will truly get what we deserve.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4...-no-separation-between-fox-news-and-the-trump

 

[sptrawler]

Really and truly ? Trump is the Prez of the most powerful country on earth. He has his tiny fingers on the biggest red buttons. He has and exercises the capacity to make the most far reaching decisions of almost any person on earth.

And, what you think he reads ASF, or takes any notice of you or me, even the people on here don't.

 

[basilio]

And, what you think he reads ASF, or takes any notice of you or me, even the people on here don't.

Nah SP. I was just exploring your judgement on how Donald Trump makes decisions. I suppose I was also drawing a comparison with how millions of US voters might think. If enough people truly don't give a stuff how the President does his job then they can't complain about the outcome can they ?

 

[sptrawler]

If you think Trump is funny, wait until silly Billy gets in, that will give you something to talk about.IMO
Hopefully nobody complains about what they get.

 

[sptrawler]

Bas, I learnt many years ago, people don't want to explore my judgement, just bash me over the head with theirs. Lol

 

[Junior]

If you think Trump is funny, wait until silly Billy gets in, that will give you something to talk about.IMO
Hopefully nobody complains about what they get.

Billy seems far more willing to listen to, and accept the advice of the people around him. This is a great trait for a leader in my view, as they have to be across so many vast and complex areas of policy. Trump is the total opposite in this respect. He has a huge ego, ignores advice and makes decision based on his 'gut' and Fox News.

I'm not saying for a second I support Labor policies or Bill Shorten, but at least he doesn't have the stupidity and arrogance to think he know better than everyone around him.

 

[Smurf1976]

I'm not saying for a second I support Labor policies or Bill Shorten, but at least he doesn't have the stupidity and arrogance to think he know better than everyone around him.

Very true and worth repeating.

If you look back through history then if there's one element about successful PM's or state premiers in Australia it's that they weren't know all's but were instead willing to observe and listen to those with knowledge.

 

[wayneL]

Oh Lord, we truly have entered the twilight zone.

 

[SirRumpole]

Oh Lord, we truly have entered the twilight zone.

Meaning ?

 

[wayneL]

Horace, Bill a listener?

Mark my words, we will have our own #GiletsJaune within 5 years.

 

[basilio]

Billy seems far more willing to listen to, and accept the advice of the people around him. This is a great trait for a leader in my view, as they have to be across so many vast and complex areas of policy. Trump is the total opposite in this respect. He has a huge ego, ignores advice and makes decision based on his 'gut' and Fox News.
.

That is bad enough. The fact that many of his supporters still follow his path as irrational and dangerous as it is, is a bigger problem.