The lunatic left

Cultural vandals.

wayneL said:

Cultural vandals.

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What she said is quite true sifu.

Don't know about Justice since I haven't study Cuba and Castro's reign, but it's a miracle Cuba managed to survive as an independent country in the shadow of the American empire.

That and Castro surviving some 600 CIA assassination attempts dating back to JFK.

Not many country could survive US sanctions and continuous attempt to overthrow the gov't. For Cuba to provide medical care to its population on par with the US - and much cheaper - or have resources to send doctors to help Haiti and other S.American countries when disaster hit. Quite something.

You are making excuses for a militant atheist tyrant that put a bullet to peoples heads?

It was Lenin who talked about “useful idiots” in the West who did all the dirty work for the Communists: they sang the praises of Marxism while tearing down the free West that they lived in. The Communists sat back and laughed as these clueless wonders did their spade work for them, knowing that once they got into power these folks would be the first to get a bullet in the head.
But they performed a useful service to the Communists as they denigrated the West and its freedoms and sought to defend to the hilt this bankrupt and diabolical system.

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The Marxism–Leninist worldview promotes atheism as a fundamental tenet.[30][31] Marxist–Leninist atheism has its roots in the philosophy of Ludwig Feuerbach, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Marx, and Lenin.[32] Materialism, the philosophical standpoint that the universe exists independently of human consciousness, consisting of only atoms and physical forces, is central to the worldview of Marxism–Leninism in the form of dialectical materialism. Vitaly Ginzburg, a Soviet physicist, wrote that the "Bolshevik communists were not merely atheists, but, according to Lenin's terminology, militant atheists."[33] Therefore, many Marxist–Leninist states, historically and currently, are also atheist states.[34] Under these regimes, several religions and their adherents were targeted to be "stamped out"

Cuba was so comfortable with the trade agreements and commerce with the USSR and the other commo countries that it made sure the 20% margin on the export sugar versus purchase credits was in hard currency US Dollars.

Having said that, by most accounts the place was a basket case under the rule of Batista and the Havana Mob.

And it did give us the famous Che Guevara poster.

Tink said:

You are making excuses for a militant atheist tyrant that put a bullet to peoples heads?

It was Lenin who talked about “useful idiots” in the West who did all the dirty work for the Communists: they sang the praises of Marxism while tearing down the free West that they lived in. The Communists sat back and laughed as these clueless wonders did their spade work for them, knowing that once they got into power these folks would be the first to get a bullet in the head.
But they performed a useful service to the Communists as they denigrated the West and its freedoms and sought to defend to the hilt this bankrupt and diabolical system.

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The Marxism–Leninist worldview promotes atheism as a fundamental tenet.[30][31] Marxist–Leninist atheism has its roots in the philosophy of Ludwig Feuerbach, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Marx, and Lenin.[32] Materialism, the philosophical standpoint that the universe exists independently of human consciousness, consisting of only atoms and physical forces, is central to the worldview of Marxism–Leninism in the form of dialectical materialism. Vitaly Ginzburg, a Soviet physicist, wrote that the "Bolshevik communists were not merely atheists, but, according to Lenin's terminology, militant atheists."[33] Therefore, many Marxist–Leninist states, historically and currently, are also atheist states.[34] Under these regimes, several religions and their adherents were targeted to be "stamped out"

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You might be wrong about where Lenin was pointing when referring to useful idiots there.

What use is it to Lenin and his commies to have foreigners criticising their own capitalist system? To show the Soviets how bad capitalism is?

That kind of benefit are negligible since, you know, those who live under commo rules all "believe" the evil of capitalism - evident by them all singing and crying at the glory of Marx.

So "useful idiots" are ones living and breathing inside the system, and are singing its praises. They intellectualise and propagandise to the masses how great and noble their own system is - my country, awesome in all that it does.

That's a useful idiot.

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As to the trouble makers and ingrates who dare question their gov't and the dear leaders. What does it benefit them? Beside of course being spies and sell out to foreign powers.

They might criticise and protest so that the gov't could correct its wrongs and benefit the people, their people.

Maybe you're right. That is another group of useful idiots. Those who kiss no ring, kiss no hinnies and want peace and justice and security for all their people. Crazy idiots.

I don't believe anything like that any more. I am sure that Jill Stein would be sympathetic to Castro but I severely doubt that is her tweet. Doesn't look right. isn't presente like present arms?

Knobby22 said:

I don't believe anything like that any more. I am sure that Jill Stein would be sympathetic to Castro but I severely doubt that is her tweet. Doesn't look right. isn't presente like present arms?

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She said it. i'm not really sure how that makes her a "cultural vandal". Whatever that is.

Is Cuba any worse off than it was under Batista? Not really. At least they got their country back. But who knows how history would have run. With the exception of Haiti, most of the Caribbean is relatively peaceful these days, and I certainly wouldn't want to claim that Castro was as good as it could get for Cuba.

And for the record, I'm not fan of Castro. He was a brutal dictator, but at least he didn't sell himself out to America and let it be turned into her brothel.

As JFK said...

I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country's policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear.

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McLovin said:

Is Cuba any worse off than it was under Batista? Not really. At least they got their country back.

And for the record, I'm not fan of Castro. He was a brutal dictator, but at least he didn't sell himself out to America and let it be turned into her brothel.

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Indeed, Castro was brutal, no arguing that. But sadly pretty much any discussion regarding Cuba and his reign loses the context of what was going on in that part of the world and also what it was like before the revolution.

I mean, holy hell, go and have a look at what happened in Guatemala for instance, and the role that covert operations by the US government played in that murderous civil war.

It's fairly hard to be confident that Cuba sans Castro would be more peaceful if the US government had got their wishes.

Also seems that no one even mentions Castro's influence on the end of the South African apartheid.

Ves said:

I mean, holy hell, go and have a look at what happened in Guatemala for instance, and the role that covert operations by the US government played in that murderous civil war.

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Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia. The list is endless. The US had a program of removing left/socialist leaders (whether democratically elected or not) and replacing them with right wing fascists.

McLovin said:

Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia. The list is endless. The US had a program of removing left/socialist leaders (whether democratically elected or not) and replacing them with right wing fascists.

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Not so endless if you count by continent. It'd be like 6 count or so.

Ves said:

Indeed, Castro was brutal, no arguing that. But sadly pretty much any discussion regarding Cuba and his reign loses the context of what was going on in that part of the world and also what it was like before the revolution.

I mean, holy hell, go and have a look at what happened in Guatemala for instance, and the role that covert operations by the US government played in that murderous civil war.

It's fairly hard to be confident that Cuba sans Castro would be more peaceful if the US government had got their wishes.

Also seems that no one even mentions Castro's influence on the end of the South African apartheid.

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Or the fact Cubans are and have been educated/nourished/healed for the last half century, whereas in Haiti, they benefited of the US friendship? Castro was a great leader for his time and had the US been a bit wiser, both side would have benefited: better rum and cigars for the NY elite, and better cars for cubans

McLovin said:

Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia. The list is endless. The US had a program of removing left/socialist leaders (whether democratically elected or not) and replacing them with right wing fascists.

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War on Democracy

qldfrog said:

Or the fact Cubans are and have been educated/nourished/healed for the last half century, whereas in Haiti, they benefited of the US friendship? Castro was a great leader for his time and had the US been a bit wiser, both side would have benefited: better rum and cigars for the NY elite, and better cars for cubans

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As an imperial power, the US cannot permit its former colony to simply be self-sufficient and independent. That would set bad examples others might follow.

Can't work out why this thread concentrates on Castro and Cuba when we have so many lunatic lefties here in Australia.

One cannot go past the Green/Labor coalition left wing socialistic indoctrinated Fabians, the CFMEU and the biased ABC to understand what a lunatic left represents.

One example of left lunacy is the shutting down of coal fired power stations in Victoria and South Australia often leaving people and businesses in the dark....They will soon have to be back to burning wood fires for cooking and candles to see what they are cooking...The Sun don't shine at night and the wind does not always blow.



And you don't have to go past the lunatic left in the senate with their behavior in blocking ways to improve our economy in the National interest of course......To the Green/Labor left wing socialist coalition it is a political game and they don't care how people get hurt....They don't care about the working people...They don't care how much extra they allow their CFMEU bosses to increase building cost to young couples wanting to buy an affordable house...They don't care if the cost is another 30%. ...Shorten did not care about the workers of Clean Event and Chiquita or the bringing in workers on 457 visas to work for McDonalds.

The lunatic left under Gillard (the true Fabian Communist, self confessed) allowed in 50,000 illegal immigrants of whom some 90% are still receiving welfare because they are unskilled and illiterate.

So why go to Cuba when we have it all here?

The Greens and ALP could not be more different if you tried. How you can lump Greens with the corrupt system of deals in deals for their mate's ie themselves in Labour is beyond me noco.

On top of that the ALP detest the Greens and in most cases put the Greens last on handouts.

explod said:

The Greens and ALP could not be more different if you tried. How you can lump Greens with the corrupt system of deals in deals for their mate's ie themselves in Labour is beyond me noco.

On top of that the ALP detest the Greens and in most cases put the Greens last on handouts.

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I don't see much difference between to two.....They are both socialists parties......Gillard and Brown signed a coalition agreement......Shorten is quite happy to accept the Green's preference votes at an election..

Both the Green and Labor are happy to accept large donations from the corrupt CFMEU.

Both parties want to blow up coal fired power stations and close the coal mines.

Both parties want central control of the media, banks, mining, manufacturing (what is left of it thanks to the unions) and agriculture.

Both the Greens and half the Labor Party want to open the floods gates again and allow boat smugglers to bring in illegal immigrants.

Both parties are hell bent on destroying our economy.....Both parties are anti Capitalist......Both parties are against free enterprise and both parties believe profit is a dirty word.....

Both parties want this "SAFE SCHOOL PROGRAM" under the hidden agenda of bullying when in actual fact it is a scheme to break down the morals of kids as young as 5 years old.

Both parties will promote lies and propaganda to fulfill their socialistic ambitions.

Both the Greens and Labor want to raise taxes that will hurt the average working families.

Both parties will bring back a Carbon Dioxide tax if they ever get into government again and will not worry how it will increase the cost of living.

So I don't really see any difference between the two.

How long will the Guardian last with massive losses as explained by the Australian newspaper.....Not too many are interested in their lies an propaganda.

Guardian appoints new editor to loss-making Australian site

The Australian
4:41PM May 20, 2016

Darren Davidson

Media Editor

Sydney

@darrendavidson



The Guardian’s loss-making Australian website has appointed a new editor, a week after staff succeeded in stopping former editor-in-chief Alan Rusbridger returning to the paper.

Publisher Guardian News & Media (GNM) has named Lenore Taylor as editor of Guardian Australia.

GNM said Emily Wilson will return to the London office to become assistant editor after two-years at the helm.

Katharine Viner, editor-in-chief of Guardian News & Media, described Taylor as the “ideal person to take Guardian Australia to the next stage of its development”.

Taylor has won two Walkley awards, and co-authored ****storm, a book on the Rudd government’s response to the global economic crisis. She is a former Fairfax Media journalist, and previously worked at The Australian.

It comes after Rusbridger said he will not return to the newspaper as chairman of Scott Trust, which owns publisher GMN, amid losses and 250 job cuts.

Operating losses at the group amounted to £58.6 million ($AUD118 million) in the year to the end of March on the back of a costly international expansion and a flawed “open journalism” model.

A recent analysis carried out by The Australian estimated that Guardian Australia had revenue-per-user of just $2.06 in 2015 as a free online model hurts the publisher.

Last week, the Scott Trust met to discuss whether Rusbridger would take over as chair as agreed two years ago.

But the Trust was in limbo about the arrangement, with Rusbridger’s successor Viner, launch editor of Guardian Australia, and GMG chief executive David Pemsel lobbying hard against Rusbridger as they try to reduce the paper’s losses.

A meeting of the Trust ended on Thursday evening without agreement on the future of Rusbridger, who emailed staff the following day to let them know he would not be taking up the position.

“Kath and David clearly believe they would like to plot a route into the future with a new chair and I understand their reasoning,” Rusbridger wrote.

He was due to become chair of the Trust in September. His appointment was agreed in late 2014, at the same time that he announced that he would step down as editor-in-chief.

Senior journalists at the newspaper voiced concerns about the prospect of Rusbridger occupying the powerful position amid bitterness over the way in which he ran the title.

Documents obtained by The Australian in December revealed fiscal losses at Guardian Australia blew out to $14m in the 12 months ended June 30 ”” up from $6m in the prior period.

Victoria about to be hit with massive increases in power due to the closure the Hazalwood power station.

Well done Mr.Andrews ....I am sure that will make you very popular at the ballot box.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/9a174cddd8fbd429f5d653d011b78384


VICTORIAN households face a combined electricity and gas bill blowout of up to $310 next year as retailers raise prices.

The looming closure of the Hazelwood power plant is being blamed for electricity cost spikes in January, while gas price rises are also far outstripping inflation.

Vinnies energy expert Gavin Dufty said some households using electricity and gas would cop an annual increase of up to $310, depending on their retailer and location.

All-electric customers without solar power would be stung as much as $210 a year more.

“This will impact people when kids are going back to school and after the post-Christmas credit squeeze,” Mr Dufty said.

“Shop around after January when the prices change, and make sure you are getting a concession if you are entitled.”




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The huge hit comes in the same week the Essential Services Commission revealed 70,000 people are now in *energy retailer hardship *programs — an increase of 30 per cent on last year — and 61,000 households were disconnected last year.

Average price rises for default residential electricity tariffs, known as standing offers, will range from 6.5 to 11.5 per cent in January. While most customers are on discounted offers, many will face similar price increases.

Opposition energy spokesman David Southwick said Premier Daniel Andrews had underplayed the impact of *Hazelwood’s closure on electricity prices.

HAZELWOOD POWER STATION CLOSURE A DEVASTATING BLOW

HAZELWOOD POWER STATION CLOSURE WILL SEND VICTORIAN POWER BILLS SOARING

Jeez noco, a lot of water under the bridge since Gillard and Brown. And Gillard was honest with good upbringing from her Dad, a hard working battler.

Yes Greens are socialists leaning to the moderate centre, the ALP a mix of commo's and fascists to the right and this bad mix is bringing them undone in my view. Very different to each other and cannot be offhandedly lumped together.

Yes power going up initially, things do not alter easily when driven by big business wanting all the cake and the guvmint wallowing to them

A growing number of households with solar are paying almost zero and as I posted up yesterdays some whole countries are doing it with solar and good back up storage. Time to move forward ole Pal.

explod said:

Jeez noco, a lot of water under the bridge since Gillard and Brown. And Gillard was honest with good upbringing from her Dad, a hard working battler.

Yes Greens are socialists leaning to the moderate centre, the ALP a mix of commo's and fascists to the right and this bad mix is bringing them undone in my view. Very different to each other and cannot be offhandedly lumped together.

Yes power going up initially, things do not alter easily when driven by big business wanting all the cake and the guvmint wallowing to them

A growing number of households with solar are paying almost zero and as I posted up yesterdays some whole countries are doing it with solar and good back up storage. Time to move forward ole Pal.

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And the Greens popularity is going down,down,down....Just look at the recent polls if you don't believe me.

The Greens are socialist leaning towards to the moderate centre?????????????You could have fooled me...Why are they know as the 'WATERMELON PARTY"?...Green outside and red inside.....