The lunatic left

[luutzu]

And the Greens popularity is going down,down,down....Just look at the recent polls if you don't believe me.

The Greens are socialist leaning towards to the moderate centre?????????????You could have fooled me...Why are they know as the 'WATERMELON PARTY"?...Green outside and red inside.....

You've been around and witnessed it first hand... How was Australia for the average Aussie before all these "socialist" programmes?

Child labour? Work safety; fair wages and conditions; social safety nets looking after widows and orphans of the dead battlers... healthcare; tax-payer funded immunisation; universal public education.

All were peachy? The Capitalists and business operators know how to deal fairly with their workers?

 

[explod]

And the Greens popularity is going down,down,down....Just look at the recent polls if you don't believe me.

The Greens are socialist leaning towards to the moderate centre?????????????You could have fooled me...Why are they know as the 'WATERMELON PARTY"?...Green outside and red inside.....

You don't actually know noco, you are not informed first hand but by the biased right press.

Yes have a lot of names (only sticks and stones do it though) selected to try and discredit. Recent council election across Victoria saw huge gains to the Greens. The Hanson factor has been having some effect but will soon wear off.

Do you have any figures to back up your claim. Green's are getting increasingly serious attention in national newscasts, doing well in Parliament too and many seeing them as good moderators too. You a bit isolated up there 'in ole joe's land"

 

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The Greens are socialist leaning towards to the moderate centre?????????????You could have fooled me...Why are they know as the 'WATERMELON PARTY"?...Green outside and red inside.....

The more pertinent question would be "By whom are they called the 'WATERMELON PARTY"?.
Simple answer: It's an invention by the extreme Right brigade that pretends to uphold compassion and Christian attitudes, but can't stand people that actually want to apply those principles.

Truth is, there are sensible and not so sensible tendencies on both sides of the Centre. (Even the avowed middle can stuff up at times.) By no means do I agree with every Green opinion. Every time I hear that fluff-brain Sarah H-Y whining and demanding yet another unfunded impracticability, my hair stands on edge. But her namesake Pauline H (no-Y) has the same effect when she invents statistics to back up her alternate histories. There's nuts on both sides.

A wise old Statesman once described politics as "the Art of what's Possible." Sadly, our current crop of wannabes has lost the plot. They sit in their self-constructed ivory towers, full of self-importance and perceived omniscience, unable and unwilling to think outside their own tiny cells.

 

[noco]

You don't actually know noco, you are not informed first hand but by the biased right press.

Yes have a lot of names (only sticks and stones do it though) selected to try and discredit. Recent council election across Victoria saw huge gains to the Greens. The Hanson factor has been having some effect but will soon wear off.

Do you have any figures to back up your claim. Green's are getting increasingly serious attention in national newscasts, doing well in Parliament too and many seeing them as good moderators too. You a bit isolated up there 'in ole joe's land"

Sure do Plod.

As post #1286 "The Turnbull Government"...Obviously you did not take the time to read.

http://www.essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

Q. If a Federal Election was held today to which party will you probably give your first preference vote? If not sure, which party are you currently leaning toward? If don’t know – Well which party are you currently leaning to?
Total Last week

22/11/16
2 weeks ago

15/11/16
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1/11/16
Election 2 Jul 16
Liberal 36% 36% 34% 36%
National 3% 3% 3% 2%
Total Liberal/National 39% 38% 37% 38% 42.0%
Labor 36% 37% 37% 37% 34.7%
Greens 9% 10% 11% 10% 10.2%
Nick Xenophon Team 3% 3% 3% 2%
Pauline Hanson’s One Nation 7% 6% 6% 6%
Other/Independent 6% 6% 6% 7% 13.1%
2 party preferred
Liberal National 49% 48% 47% 48% 50.4%
Labor 51% 52% 53% 52% 49.6%

 

[wayneL]

Greens are known as watermelons by all who are aware of their policies ancillary to their environmental policies and how they are interdependent with each other.

Their basic economic and social platform, is quite obviously socialism.

Ergo, the tag is apt and fair, as valid as calling conservative elements within the Liberals, tories.

 

[noco]

You've been around and witnessed it first hand... How was Australia for the average Aussie before all these "socialist" programmes?

Child labour? Work safety; fair wages and conditions; social safety nets looking after widows and orphans of the dead battlers... healthcare; tax-payer funded immunisation; universal public education.

All were peachy? The Capitalists and business operators know how to deal fairly with their workers?

Thanks Luu.

In the 30's and 40's, I did not know of one mother who went to work outside the house.....They all had 2 and 3 kids and did all the house hold chores while the man of the house went to work.....We lived in a Queenslander, high set with a wooden stove, no air conditioners and no ceiling fans....Mother scrubbed the floors by hand...no carpets...all lino....Ironing was a Mother Pot's iron preheated on the wood stove.....One iron on while one was being used.

I was the youngest sibling....I chopped the wood and lit the fire under the copper on Saturday morning to boil the clothes....The clothes were drained and left to cool for hand wringing, rinsing and then through the blue rinse.

None of the mothers drove a car....we kids walked to school and walk home again some 3 miles.....Down to the corner store and the butcher shop on Saturday with my billy cart to collect the weeks groceries and a free bag of boiled lollies from the grocer......No refrigerators....we had an ice chest and a fly proof hanger under the house.

Their was no Medicare or Health Care....The family always put aside money for medical emergencies.....The family doctor called to the house.....In most cases mothers all had their home remedies for coughs,colds and whopping cough......No antibiotics......

There was no TV until 1959 so radio was the only connection for news on the outside world.....At election time a politician stood on a soap box on the street corner to get his message through.....Red tape and Green tape was unknown in those days......Politician were little different than they are today except there was no media to emphasis the good from the bad.....The Labor Party was a true Labor Party who did show interest in the workers until communism started to creep in with Dr Evatt and Arther Caldwell who tried to convert the Labor Party into socialism....Bob Menzies set up a referendum to ban communism but failed on the grounds that the left promoted their propaganda that Menzies could also ban religion.

The unions were always causing problems and even had a wharfies strike during the war to prevent urgent arms and food supplies being shipped to PNG to fight the Japanese.....The unions became very militant in the late 50's and early 60's and strikes were a regular activity which we all cursed....This was all part of Labor tactics even in those days to create economic strife when the Liberal Party were in power.

There was no child labour and most kids did not start work until at least 15 or 16......Shops were open from 8am until 5 pm week days and 8 to 12 on Saturdays.

There was no immunization programs......War widows and TPI ex service men and women were well catered for....Most ADF people returning from the war received free trade training and were know as expats......If you were lucky enough to go to university in the 30's and 40's, your parents were regarded a wealthy...I wanted to study medicine but due to family commitments I had to settle for the plumbing trade....My first pay was one pound one shilling and nine pence ($2.19) for the week...Ten shillings went into board....3 shillings was spent on tram fares for the week which left me 89 cents pocket money for the week....Primary and secondary education was free.

There was no dole if you had no work.....All families helped each other to survive.....You were entitled to an age pension upon reaching the age of 65.......Not many survived after the age of 70 so it was not a heavy drain on the welfare system.

We did have work safety rules after WW11 but nothing like today......Th state Government would turn up on building sites unannounced..They would check out ladders and if there was a split in the timber, the inspector would put his saw through it in a couple of places for no further use......Ropes were often used on Bosun's chairs, platforms and for rigging....If there was a fray in the rope the knife was brought into play and quickly deposed of.

I built my first house in 1953 for the equivalent of $4480 on 1/3 deposit.....No painting inside....no kitchen cupboards.....no furniture...no floor coverings......no refrigerator...no electric hot water and a thunder box in the middle of the back yard.

Who said it was the good old days?

 

[explod]

Gee you were skun Noco, I brought my first house at Longreach in 1967 for $2000, veranda all round and opposite the State School. Through the back yard a couple of blocks from the pub. But the diesel generators a block away were noisy some nights.

 

[SirRumpole]

Thanks Luu.

In the 30's and 40's, I did not know of one mother who went to work outside the house.....They all had 2 and 3 kids and did all the house hold chores while the man of the house went to work.....We lived in a Queenslander, high set with a wooden stove, no air conditioners and no ceiling fans....Mother scrubbed the floors by hand...no carpets...all lino....Ironing was a Mother Pot's iron preheated on the wood stove.....One iron on while one was being used.

I was the youngest sibling....I chopped the wood and lit the fire under the copper on Saturday morning to boil the clothes....The clothes were drained and left to cool for hand wringing, rinsing and then through the blue rinse.

None of the mothers drove a car....we kids walked to school and walk home again some 3 miles.....Down to the corner store and the butcher shop on Saturday with my billy cart to collect the weeks groceries and a free bag of boiled lollies from the grocer......No refrigerators....we had an ice chest and a fly proof hanger under the house.

Their was no Medicare or Health Care....The family always put aside money for medical emergencies.....The family doctor called to the house.....In most cases mothers all had their home remedies for coughs,colds and whopping cough......No antibiotics......

There was no TV until 1959 so radio was the only connection for news on the outside world.....At election time a politician stood on a soap box on the street corner to get his message through.....Red tape and Green tape was unknown in those days......Politician were little different than they are today except there was no media to emphasis the good from the bad.....The Labor Party was a true Labor Party who did show interest in the workers until communism started to creep in with Dr Evatt and Arther Caldwell who tried to convert the Labor Party into socialism....Bob Menzies set up a referendum to ban communism but failed on the grounds that the left promoted their propaganda that Menzies could also ban religion.

The unions were always causing problems and even had a wharfies strike during the war to prevent urgent arms and food supplies being shipped to PNG to fight the Japanese.....The unions became very militant in the late 50's and early 60's and strikes were a regular activity which we all cursed....This was all part of Labor tactics even in those days to create economic strife when the Liberal Party were in power.

There was no child labour and most kids did not start work until at least 15 or 16......Shops were open from 8am until 5 pm week days and 8 to 12 on Saturdays.

There was no immunization programs......War widows and TPI ex service men and women were well catered for....Most ADF people returning from the war received free trade training and were know as expats......If you were lucky enough to go to university in the 30's and 40's, your parents were regarded a wealthy...I wanted to study medicine but due to family commitments I had to settle for the plumbing trade....My first pay was one pound one shilling and nine pence ($2.19) for the week...Ten shillings went into board....3 shillings was spent on tram fares for the week which left me 89 cents pocket money for the week....Primary and secondary education was free.

There was no dole if you had no work.....All families helped each other to survive.....You were entitled to an age pension upon reaching the age of 65.......Not many survived after the age of 70 so it was not a heavy drain on the welfare system.

We did have work safety rules after WW11 but nothing like today......Th state Government would turn up on building sites unannounced..They would check out ladders and if there was a split in the timber, the inspector would put his saw through it in a couple of places for no further use......Ropes were often used on Bosun's chairs, platforms and for rigging....If there was a fray in the rope the knife was brought into play and quickly deposed of.

I built my first house in 1953 for the equivalent of $4480 on 1/3 deposit.....No painting inside....no kitchen cupboards.....no furniture...no floor coverings......no refrigerator...no electric hot water and a thunder box in the middle of the back yard.

Who said it was the good old days?

Tell that to young people these days and they'd never believe you.

 

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Tell that to young people these days and they'd never believe you.

At a wedding party recently, a young kid who'd just started Computer Science at Uni, asked me "When you were young, were you good at Computing?" He didn't even understand that my generation built the first manframes, machines that filled entire office floors and their 256 Kilobytes of memory were considered massive.
So, all I answered was, No, when I was in High School, we didn't have computers, laptops, or smartphones, but we were taught History - and I was pretty good at that. (also times tables and languages, but no use mentioning that to today's kids.)

Noco, I don't remember the 30's, but even in the late '40s and early '50s, our life was pretty close to the way you describe yours. We did have electric power and running cold! water from our own bore. (Granddad had "the gift" to divine water, which is still flowing and irrigates the garden.)
Would I want to go back to "them olden days"? Hell, No! While I do keep money on the side for emergencies and save before I buy or make do without, I truly appreciate the advances that social-minded parties have introduced since then. It's true, some of that has since gone too far and led to ever-increasing expectations by people who confuse provision of the most basic needs with their wants. But the kind of middle-class welfare that resulted from governments pandering to greed and laziness for their votes is as much a fault of Conservatives (aka the lunatic Right) as it can be blamed on Unions, Labor, and Greens.

 

[noco]

Gee you were skun Noco, I brought my first house at Longreach in 1967 for $2000, veranda all round and opposite the State School. Through the back yard a couple of blocks from the pub. But the diesel generators a block away were noisy some nights.

A couple grey-mads bought a home in Collinsville this year for $60,000, reason being many had left town and the demand for real estate had hit rock bottom....Probably the same thing happened in Longreach...Was it a two bedroom miners cottage 100 years old?

 

[explod]

A couple grey-mads bought a home in Collinsville this year for $60,000, reason being many had left town and the demand for real estate had hit rock bottom....Probably the same thing happened in Longreach...Was it a two bedroom miners cottage 100 years old?

It was fairly large with five bedrooms, three at the back which I dismantled. It had been a convent and found a very nice crucifix in the soil underneath.

A mate I was working with put me onto it, belonged to another shearer who had cancer (no family) and just needed the money for his last days in hospital. But yes, the drought was starting to bite also and three years later was happy to take $1000 to clear my slate on joining the force.

 

[noco]

Well known Marxist Brenddan O'Neill has spoken out that the left has gone too far and a worker uprising is in the making.


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[Logique]

The double-edged sword of justice.

Labor frontbencher Terri Butler settles defamation suit with student over 'racist smear'
16 Dec 2016 - SMH: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...tudent-over-racist-smear-20161216-gtchae.html

Labor frontbencher Terri Butler has settled a defamation lawsuit with Queensland law student Calum Thwaites over what some described as her "racist smear" on national television.

Ms Butler was accused of traducing Mr Thwaites for repeating allegations he used the phrase "ITT ******s" in a Facebook post, after a race-hate case brought against him and two other students was thrown out of court....

 

[noco]

Daniel's Gestapo will come into to play in Victoria very soon.

He wants an audit on all MPs mobile phones.....If Mike Baird did that in NSW there would be riots in the streets.

\https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/33592098/privacy-concerns-over-vic-phone-leak-probe/#page1

Victoria's privacy watchdog is to investigate whether Premier Daniel Andrews reported decision to audit MP's mobile phones over leaks to the media breaches privacy laws.

The Herald Sun says Mr Andrews told a cabinet meeting on Monday auditors KPMG would look at MP's devices to find out who gave 3AW broadcaster Neil Mitchell details about police numbers.

KPMG...Is that the KREMLIN PHONE MARXIST GRENADIERS?

 

[Tisme]

Daniel's Gestapo will come into to play in Victoria very soon.

He wants an audit on all MPs mobile phones.....If Mike Baird did that in NSW there would be riots in the streets.

\https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/33592098/privacy-concerns-over-vic-phone-leak-probe/#page1

Victoria's privacy watchdog is to investigate whether Premier Daniel Andrews reported decision to audit MP's mobile phones over leaks to the media breaches privacy laws.

The Herald Sun says Mr Andrews told a cabinet meeting on Monday auditors KPMG would look at MP's devices to find out who gave 3AW broadcaster Neil Mitchell details about police numbers.

KPMG...Is that the KREMLIN PHONE MARXIST GRENADIERS?

Godwin Grech in the mix? Godwin's accomplices, Eric Abetz and Malcolm Turnbull?


But, and that's a big but, because it probably isn't truth reporting, Andrews wouldn't be the first to use his power to witchhunt...Queensland had decades of it with Joh. The latest would be autocratic LNP Premier Campbell Newman:

http://www.thetunnelpresents.com/campbell-newman-witch-hunting/

 

[noco]

Godwin Grech in the mix? Godwin's accomplices, Eric Abetz and Malcolm Turnbull?


But, and that's a big but, because it probably isn't truth reporting, Andrews wouldn't be the first to use his power to witchhunt...Queensland had decades of it with Joh. The latest would be autocratic LNP Premier Campbell Newman:

http://www.thetunnelpresents.com/campbell-newman-witch-hunting/

Firstly, I think Rudd was cunning enough to cover his dirty tracks in the Greach case and both Greach and Turnbull came off second best....Greach knew the real truth but the evidence had been destroyed and he had no back up.

I believe the WITCH HUNT you mention is a bit of a fairy tale story about the fable of real witches and nothing really to do with Campbell Newman doing a witch hunt on MPs I-Phones and I-Pads

You quoted witch hunting in the Joh era, can you explain in detail with some link or back up to your statement or was that just hearsay on your part?

 

[SirRumpole]

You quoted witch hunting in the Joh era, can you explain in detail with some link or back up to your statement or was that just hearsay on your part?

I distinctly remember Joh ranting about Communists and Socialists as much as he could. There were Red under every bed in Qld apparently.

 

[Tisme]

Firstly, I think Rudd was cunning enough to cover his dirty tracks in the Greach case and both Greach and Turnbull came off second best....Greach knew the real truth but the evidence had been destroyed and he had no back up.

I believe the WITCH HUNT you mention is a bit of a fairy tale story about the fable of real witches and nothing really to do with Campbell Newman doing a witch hunt on MPs I-Phones and I-Pads

You quoted witch hunting in the Joh era, can you explain in detail with some link or back up to your statement or was that just hearsay on your part?

Trolling with ridiculous bait AGAIN! Don't you get fed up using and failing with, the contrived ignoramus card to get a rise out of members?

In the remote possibility you have lost your marbles:


you could start at the end with him in court being successfully prosecuted by his own team and stripped of his superannuation for criminalty in office etc. You could exercise your own brain and research the number of people he prosecuted with taxpayer monies through the courts......errr duh

Grech confessed to the feds .... errr duh

 

[moXJO]

I distinctly remember Joh ranting about Communists and Socialists as much as he could. There were Red under every bed in Qld apparently.

Joh would have a heart attack in Vic.
Roz ward springs to mind.

 

[Tisme]

Joh would have a heart attack in Vic.
Roz ward springs to mind.

I take it you are too young to remember Henry Bolte? He hated everyone so much even despised his coalition partners, but garnered support form the Labor party when needs must; go figure. He used massive public debt to build real infrastructure stuff, he was....... probably the earliest manifestation of the current Labor Party.