Our Immigration standards?
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I totally agree Bobby!
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Bobby said:My thoughts are those that wish to settle here should only be considered if they can contribute to our economy, make their FIRST loyalty to Australia & learn to speak english & MIX with us!.
Simplistic isn't it.
Your thoughts Aussies ?
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I totally agree Bobby!
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Why should we demand higher standards of our immigrants than we do of our politicians?
When was the last time a politician took an English test?
When was the last time a politician took an English test?
You don't understand that in our major cities there are groups of immigrants who do not even bother to learn to speak english. They become segregated from the rest of australian society.
If I were to go to another country and live then, say an arab country, I would have to learn their language and abide by their customs.
The same is not true here which is really sad
If I were to go to another country and live then, say an arab country, I would have to learn their language and abide by their customs.
The same is not true here which is really sad
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The thing I hate about all of these discussions is that they focus on one group of immigrants whilst completely alienating the large, large group who do adopt our customs, society and language - indeed they embrace it.
I see such wonderful examples of other cultures mixing with ours every single day that it really disheartens me when I hear all of the entrenched racism coming from fellow Aussies.
You have to remember that a lot of the people who come here don't really WANT to leave their own country. They leave because they can no longer continue the way of life that they want for them and their children in their own country.
Can you imagine how enourmously difficult it would be to leave your friends, extended family, culture, everything you have ever known and turn up in a place where you don't speak the language, don't know the customs...and then..everyone abuses the **** out of you because of that very reason.
I absolutely admire immigrants and do not feel bitter about them living here, even the ones who can't speak english.
I know not all of them are in this situation, but who are you to judge them either way? You were born here, they CHOSE to be here, don't you think its wonderful that people have the right to choose wherever they want to live in the world?
Does it REALLY affect you that much that they can't speak english, SERIOUSLY?
And this whole US vs THEM thing, like "Your thoughts Aussies ?" as if you're only an Aussie if you were a white caucasion born here....if that's the case then I'm not an Aussie because I would hate to be associated with people who think like this. I think this attitude is disgraceful and I would like to think that the aussies I know are a little more developed in their thinking than this.
I see such wonderful examples of other cultures mixing with ours every single day that it really disheartens me when I hear all of the entrenched racism coming from fellow Aussies.
You have to remember that a lot of the people who come here don't really WANT to leave their own country. They leave because they can no longer continue the way of life that they want for them and their children in their own country.
Can you imagine how enourmously difficult it would be to leave your friends, extended family, culture, everything you have ever known and turn up in a place where you don't speak the language, don't know the customs...and then..everyone abuses the **** out of you because of that very reason.
I absolutely admire immigrants and do not feel bitter about them living here, even the ones who can't speak english.
I know not all of them are in this situation, but who are you to judge them either way? You were born here, they CHOSE to be here, don't you think its wonderful that people have the right to choose wherever they want to live in the world?
Does it REALLY affect you that much that they can't speak english, SERIOUSLY?
And this whole US vs THEM thing, like "Your thoughts Aussies ?" as if you're only an Aussie if you were a white caucasion born here....if that's the case then I'm not an Aussie because I would hate to be associated with people who think like this. I think this attitude is disgraceful and I would like to think that the aussies I know are a little more developed in their thinking than this.
I totaly agree I came to Australia in 1953....took up citizenship learned English and now with that I can enoy all Australians..I am mixing with them...Anyone ever seen the Film about the Italian who arrived in Sydney and worked on building sides...Jabedeh,jab blah blah..I think his name was Gino...great film with a lot of humour...I personnaly love Australia....got a relation who is a qualified civil engineer from east germany to come out to settle.....here..why not invite more Krauts to come they make great immigrants..I proved it...even got a sense of humour and love the Aussie beer...great place thisBobby said:My thoughts are those that wish to settle here should only be considered if they can contribute to our economy, make their FIRST loyalty to Australia & learn to speak english & MIX with us!.
Simplistic isn't it.
Your thoughts Aussies ?
Bob.
I can see both sides of the argument, being an immigrant Pom.
One of the reasons I got my family out of London was the huge rise in crime and segregation due to illegal immigration. Most of these people are not refugees in genuine need of help, they are economic migrants who want to leech off the system. Many of them amass a small fortune and send it back home, and the ones that can't are exploited by the ones that can through organised crime.
As for speaking English, it's not the ones that can't that rub people up the wrong way, it's the ones that refuse to, but can speak it pretty well in the dole office.
I was put well and truly through the wringer to get my visa, it took months to put the paperwork together and cost me a small fortune and was the best thing I ever did. There is nothing wrong with Australian immigration standards in that respect, and inviting skilled contributors into any country can only be a good thing. I just hope the government sticks to its hard line on illegal immigration, because it will make a beautiful country real ugly real quick.
One of the reasons I got my family out of London was the huge rise in crime and segregation due to illegal immigration. Most of these people are not refugees in genuine need of help, they are economic migrants who want to leech off the system. Many of them amass a small fortune and send it back home, and the ones that can't are exploited by the ones that can through organised crime.
As for speaking English, it's not the ones that can't that rub people up the wrong way, it's the ones that refuse to, but can speak it pretty well in the dole office.
I was put well and truly through the wringer to get my visa, it took months to put the paperwork together and cost me a small fortune and was the best thing I ever did. There is nothing wrong with Australian immigration standards in that respect, and inviting skilled contributors into any country can only be a good thing. I just hope the government sticks to its hard line on illegal immigration, because it will make a beautiful country real ugly real quick.
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Chicken that was a book and film called "Their a weird mob" - great read for any migrants battling with Aussie culture.
Also think that Germans, Dutch, Poms (even though they can be whingers at times), Italians, Greeks more likely to learn english and intergrate - going from my past experiences with migrants. I don't live in Sydney anymore so I can't comment on the present lot of migrants (only fromTV, radio and papers).
ctp6360 - people who don't speak English do affect me and you -
Non English person goes to Govt. Dept. - Dept. has to provide translator - that costs our tax money.
Other services are provided to non English speaking people that cost our tax money.
Those costs are fine for people who have not had a chance to learn English yet but not for those who can't be bothered to learn.
Also think that Germans, Dutch, Poms (even though they can be whingers at times), Italians, Greeks more likely to learn english and intergrate - going from my past experiences with migrants. I don't live in Sydney anymore so I can't comment on the present lot of migrants (only fromTV, radio and papers).
ctp6360 - people who don't speak English do affect me and you -
Non English person goes to Govt. Dept. - Dept. has to provide translator - that costs our tax money.
Other services are provided to non English speaking people that cost our tax money.
Those costs are fine for people who have not had a chance to learn English yet but not for those who can't be bothered to learn.
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Well..Sydney is the pits now. It is a terrible place to live in because of the immigrant problem. You can`t go to the beach without being stabbed or raped.
It`s not about being white or an aussie it`s about doing the right thing and respecting the customs of the majority. If you don`t then go back to your beloved ancestors and practise what they practise there - not here!
Most people are sick of the politically correct, turn a blind eye attitude that so many want to espouse. It`s going down the drain because we are sick of it.
Look at Denmark, Holland etc. in europe. They are now taking serious action.
Good on them.
ctp you are totally wrong!
It`s not about being white or an aussie it`s about doing the right thing and respecting the customs of the majority. If you don`t then go back to your beloved ancestors and practise what they practise there - not here!
Most people are sick of the politically correct, turn a blind eye attitude that so many want to espouse. It`s going down the drain because we are sick of it.
Look at Denmark, Holland etc. in europe. They are now taking serious action.
Good on them.
ctp you are totally wrong!
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Nice argument Snake, although I detect a little bit of exaggeration with the whole "You can`t go to the beach without being stabbed or raped" but you're entitled to your opinion.
Anyway I've had my say I'm here to discuss shares not racism.
Anyway I've had my say I'm here to discuss shares not racism.
Snake, for once I agree with you ,well half agree.I know that I`ve being guilty of saying exactly that,go back to your country and practice what you know.
But I think that the morons who behave like well the" middle eastern appearance" boofheads,if they indeed went back to their country you know who would be blamed ,Australia,because regardless what the pc,multiculturalism elites !say about culture ***** people are people and nobody likes to feel unsafe or be disrespected so presumably our boof heads would also be boofheads in the country of their parents ,and attract the same condenmation from them.
I say this as an Italian who was considered Australian on my holiday back "home",and who up until recently was informed by an Aussie that he was brought up to hate Italians.Mind you I`ve lived most of my life in Australia,
But I think that the morons who behave like well the" middle eastern appearance" boofheads,if they indeed went back to their country you know who would be blamed ,Australia,because regardless what the pc,multiculturalism elites !say about culture ***** people are people and nobody likes to feel unsafe or be disrespected so presumably our boof heads would also be boofheads in the country of their parents ,and attract the same condenmation from them.
I say this as an Italian who was considered Australian on my holiday back "home",and who up until recently was informed by an Aussie that he was brought up to hate Italians.Mind you I`ve lived most of my life in Australia,
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Visual,
I`ve never heard anyone say Italians are bad. Can you still speak Italian? If so that is good.
Ctp racism is a fictional argument.
I`ve never heard anyone say Italians are bad. Can you still speak Italian? If so that is good.
Ctp racism is a fictional argument.
Snake are you serious?
the first time I heard the expression Wog was at sydney airport,in the lounge where you wait for the interconnecting flights,I was 11 ,excited to be in a strange new country,couldnt speak english,but decided that I wanted a drink of water eventually the woman behind the bar understood me,and as I walked away I heard the word that would haunt me until now,wog.I think what happened is that i walked away without paying,water is free in Italy so even though she was talking to me i didnt understand,said thankyou,I knew how to say that,and walked away.
At school I had a teacher who instead of teaching me how to swim left me on the edge of the pool,because I was a wog.Long story.
However having said all that what makes Italians good citizens is the fact that we`ve always appreciated Australia or anywhere really thats given us the opportunity to work.And worked we have,even when knowing that we were being exploited Italians worked.So I suppose that eventually saw us being accepted.
And by the way yes I still speak Italian and also read,and write,althought on my short trip to Italy I found that my vocabulary is actually pretty narrow,because I havent kept up with the progress that the Italian language has made.My auntie kept making fun of me,because I spoke with an accent that she had never heard before lol
the first time I heard the expression Wog was at sydney airport,in the lounge where you wait for the interconnecting flights,I was 11 ,excited to be in a strange new country,couldnt speak english,but decided that I wanted a drink of water eventually the woman behind the bar understood me,and as I walked away I heard the word that would haunt me until now,wog.I think what happened is that i walked away without paying,water is free in Italy so even though she was talking to me i didnt understand,said thankyou,I knew how to say that,and walked away.
At school I had a teacher who instead of teaching me how to swim left me on the edge of the pool,because I was a wog.Long story.
However having said all that what makes Italians good citizens is the fact that we`ve always appreciated Australia or anywhere really thats given us the opportunity to work.And worked we have,even when knowing that we were being exploited Italians worked.So I suppose that eventually saw us being accepted.
And by the way yes I still speak Italian and also read,and write,althought on my short trip to Italy I found that my vocabulary is actually pretty narrow,because I havent kept up with the progress that the Italian language has made.My auntie kept making fun of me,because I spoke with an accent that she had never heard before lol
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You would enjoy the book I mentioned before ("Their a weird mob") as the story is about Nino an Italian migrant trying to come to terms with the Oz language and customs.
In those days most Australians accepted the Italians, Greeks etc if they were willing to "have a go".
You would enjoy the book I mentioned before ("Their a weird mob") as the story is about Nino an Italian migrant trying to come to terms with the Oz language and customs.
In those days most Australians accepted the Italians, Greeks etc if they were willing to "have a go".
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Visual,
Thanks for reminding me of the WOG word. It is a classic slang word in Australia. It refers to not only Italians but Greeks and others as well. The way you worded your previous post I thought you ment something more sinister. The new word of abuse or denigration is being called an Aussie - I understand how you feel or felt. I`m in Japan now and I`m not Australian to them, but a gaijin which means outsider. Yes I feel prejudiced, but they don`t expect gaijin to be like them. It`s much different to Australia.
I`m glad you still speak Italian and have been back there.
Yes all Italians and Greeks and the like have worked really hard in this country and I am glad you lot are here. For those that don`t work hard and cause trouble, go back or get out!
And Ctp it`s not about racism it`s about ideology. That`s the issue of concern.
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Funny talk, when earlier immigrants talk tough on accepting or not accepting later ones.
Let’s not forget that some of even earlier ones (who came here 30,000 to 40,000 years ago) do accept anybody new, so this is just nothing new.
Same talk, different arrival date.
Let’s not forget that some of even earlier ones (who came here 30,000 to 40,000 years ago) do accept anybody new, so this is just nothing new.
Same talk, different arrival date.
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Happy said:
A childish argument considering the 40,000 year ago immigrants from Indonesia / Papua were immigrants themselves.
Being an old girl I've seen this all before - yes Italians were hated by some - use the play "The Shifting Heart" by Richard Beynon as a reference. We had the same hysteria when the Vietnamese came in Australia - oh and I remember a place in London called "Kangaroo Valley" - care to consider why?
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