Serious question do you believe...
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Are you having some sort of crisis at the moment?
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Are you having some sort of crisis at the moment?
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So you've met my Ex wife!
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Steady there Tech. Know how you feel.
But you need to be able to let go (house, assets etc) and forgive them as they do know what they are doing!
Steady there Tech. Know how you feel.
But you need to be able to let go (house, assets etc) and forgive them as they do know what they are doing!
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THE DEVIL HAS ARRIVED - AND ITS CALLED BETFAIR - COME BACK TO THIS THREAD IN 3 YEARS - I WILL BE PROVED RIGHT REGRETABLY.
THE DEVIL HAS ARRIVED - AND ITS CALLED BETFAIR - COME BACK TO THIS THREAD IN 3 YEARS - I WILL BE PROVED RIGHT REGRETABLY.
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The Devil comes in multiple units complete with flashing lights and sounds. It uses an unbelievably large amount of electricity and removes the contents of the wallet/purse of those who associate with the Devil. The Devil is also known as the "poker machine" and can usually be found in groups at hotels, casinos and other such venues.
Warning: Associating with the Devil is a wealth hazard.
Warning: The Devil can seriously damage your wealth.
Warning: The Devil causes relationship stress.
Warning: The Devil is addictive.
The Devil comes in multiple units complete with flashing lights and sounds. It uses an unbelievably large amount of electricity and removes the contents of the wallet/purse of those who associate with the Devil. The Devil is also known as the "poker machine" and can usually be found in groups at hotels, casinos and other such venues.
Warning: Associating with the Devil is a wealth hazard.
Warning: The Devil can seriously damage your wealth.
Warning: The Devil causes relationship stress.
Warning: The Devil is addictive.
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Absolutely not. I have a friend who is devoutly religious and firmly believes that The Devil exists and resides within people, making them do dreadful things. This is a very convenient way to absolve said human beings of personal responsibility .
In years gone by, before we had much understanding of psychiatry, people with mental illness were considered possessed by the Devil.
I'd be interested to know what prompted your question?
Julia
Absolutely not. I have a friend who is devoutly religious and firmly believes that The Devil exists and resides within people, making them do dreadful things. This is a very convenient way to absolve said human beings of personal responsibility .
In years gone by, before we had much understanding of psychiatry, people with mental illness were considered possessed by the Devil.
I'd be interested to know what prompted your question?
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how did that adage go?
"the greatest trick the devil did was convince the world he didn't exist"
personally, I'm agnostic...
how did that adage go?
"the greatest trick the devil did was convince the world he didn't exist"
personally, I'm agnostic...
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Agnostic; isn't that about the disbelief in the existence of God ?
Agnostic; isn't that about the disbelief in the existence of God ?
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I have never ever gotten a bad piece of advice from the Bible yet. So if it says theres a Devil which it does, I believe it. Does it say I or anyone else is absolved from personal responsibility? No.
Cheers
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I have never ever gotten a bad piece of advice from the Bible yet. So if it says theres a Devil which it does, I believe it. Does it say I or anyone else is absolved from personal responsibility? No.
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Without consulting a dictionary, I was under the impression that it was the belief in a higher existence but not subscribing to any particular religion.
I may be wrong
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Without consulting a dictionary, I was under the impression that it was the belief in a higher existence but not subscribing to any particular religion.
I may be wrong
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Re: Serious question do you believe
Agnostic translates to mean "without knowledge".
In other words, an agnostic person is not averse to believing in a higher being, but sans proof, does not.
I don't think there is a devil. I believe the devil is a creation of religion. Religion was created to control people. Religion is a negative influense IMO
However, I hold that the existence of the big fella upstairs is self evident.
IMO Cheers
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Agnostic translates to mean "without knowledge".
In other words, an agnostic person is not averse to believing in a higher being, but sans proof, does not.
I don't think there is a devil. I believe the devil is a creation of religion. Religion was created to control people. Religion is a negative influense IMO
However, I hold that the existence of the big fella upstairs is self evident.
IMO Cheers
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amohonour:
Before forum members get involved in responding to this emotive question, how about stating your own position?
at least two of us have asked for this in your previous "does the Devil exist" question.
Can you outline whether, in the above question, you mean God in the sense of the belief of religious devotees, or rather, as Wayne suggested, a higher power which is nonetheless not connected necessarily with any religious belief.
I will start off (pending your response) by 100% endorsing all that Wayne said in his earlier post.
At the same time, I'm sometimes vaguely envious of people who believe that everything that happens is "God's Will". Sort of removes the need to make too many decisions, doesn't it.
Sorry to anyone here who could be offended by the last statement. I don't mean to be flippant or to ridicule religious beliefs. I would sincerely be interested to read comments from anyone who has firmly held religious beliefs as to just why they believe, and what such beliefs offer them in terms of everyday living.
Julia
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amohonour:
Before forum members get involved in responding to this emotive question, how about stating your own position?
at least two of us have asked for this in your previous "does the Devil exist" question.
Can you outline whether, in the above question, you mean God in the sense of the belief of religious devotees, or rather, as Wayne suggested, a higher power which is nonetheless not connected necessarily with any religious belief.
I will start off (pending your response) by 100% endorsing all that Wayne said in his earlier post.
At the same time, I'm sometimes vaguely envious of people who believe that everything that happens is "God's Will". Sort of removes the need to make too many decisions, doesn't it.
Sorry to anyone here who could be offended by the last statement. I don't mean to be flippant or to ridicule religious beliefs. I would sincerely be interested to read comments from anyone who has firmly held religious beliefs as to just why they believe, and what such beliefs offer them in terms of everyday living.
Julia
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great response julia yes i do believe in the God of the Bible and my only motivation is to simply try and throw something out there that provokes the thinking. It appears to have worked. To say that God is in control of everything has been a great concern of many a believer or non believer for centuries. Personally I say that we are all accountable for our actions. The beauty of it is not how will it benefit me now but purely that it is possible to have a relationship with God that goes way beyond our comprehension and will last into eternity. The strange thing is that we measure mankind by how good or bad we are the fact is that we are all born with the same fallen nature that leads us away from God and what is good to some degree but in our foolishness we can justify ourselves as being good by measuring ourselves against someone who is worse. Rather ludicrous me thinks. To some it up we should not remove ourselves from the opportunity of a relationship with God and goodness for the sake of our own self rightousness and justification. I am yet to meet an honest person that would not admit that he / she somewhere in their life has crossed the line from good and right to do something that is wrong. I do not write this to try and offend in anyway i am simply enjoying peoples responses and thought provoking answers. Cheers (and yes if you believe in God then you have to believe in the devil and vice versa )
great response julia yes i do believe in the God of the Bible and my only motivation is to simply try and throw something out there that provokes the thinking. It appears to have worked. To say that God is in control of everything has been a great concern of many a believer or non believer for centuries. Personally I say that we are all accountable for our actions. The beauty of it is not how will it benefit me now but purely that it is possible to have a relationship with God that goes way beyond our comprehension and will last into eternity. The strange thing is that we measure mankind by how good or bad we are the fact is that we are all born with the same fallen nature that leads us away from God and what is good to some degree but in our foolishness we can justify ourselves as being good by measuring ourselves against someone who is worse. Rather ludicrous me thinks. To some it up we should not remove ourselves from the opportunity of a relationship with God and goodness for the sake of our own self rightousness and justification. I am yet to meet an honest person that would not admit that he / she somewhere in their life has crossed the line from good and right to do something that is wrong. I do not write this to try and offend in anyway i am simply enjoying peoples responses and thought provoking answers. Cheers (and yes if you believe in God then you have to believe in the devil and vice versa )
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Julia,
This is merely my opinion/experience.
I personally find it harder to make decisions.
What I find many people don't seem to realiase is that "Gods Will" is not set in concrete, we have the power to change it.
As an example, it is against Gods will to commit suicide yet we hold the power to do so.
Believing in God therefore makes the decision process harder for me becuase I often want what may not be best for me/am selfish etc etc.
Just my two cents worth
Julia,
This is merely my opinion/experience.
I personally find it harder to make decisions.
What I find many people don't seem to realiase is that "Gods Will" is not set in concrete, we have the power to change it.
As an example, it is against Gods will to commit suicide yet we hold the power to do so.
Believing in God therefore makes the decision process harder for me becuase I often want what may not be best for me/am selfish etc etc.
Just my two cents worth
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I do beleive in god. Im undecided on religion but have been raised christian. The thing I dont like about religion is that people use it to justify actions that are not right. The general contention of religion is/should be to make the world a better place for humanity. Thats my only real belief; god would want us to make our place in the universe as good as possible as a whole. Anything else should only aid in the creation of the former. And dont use it for your own self serving agenda (Osama).
I do beleive in god. Im undecided on religion but have been raised christian. The thing I dont like about religion is that people use it to justify actions that are not right. The general contention of religion is/should be to make the world a better place for humanity. Thats my only real belief; god would want us to make our place in the universe as good as possible as a whole. Anything else should only aid in the creation of the former. And dont use it for your own self serving agenda (Osama).
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I suppose I also posed the questions because if God exists and stands for all that is good. Then therefore the devil exists and as it says is the father of lies and that which is bad so why do we always turn the blame towards God when things go wrong and not the devil.
I suppose I also posed the questions because if God exists and stands for all that is good. Then therefore the devil exists and as it says is the father of lies and that which is bad so why do we always turn the blame towards God when things go wrong and not the devil.
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