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F/A vs. T/A the argument settled

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Wayne,

I couldn't get this video to run properly. Took several attempts to get it to even start then it keeps cutting out. Can you save me any further anguish and just tell us what his conclusion is???

Julia
 
Re: F/A vs T/A the argument settled

Julia,

The answer in a nutshell is "What works for you!"

Schwager is famous of course for his books "The Market Wizards" and "The New Market Wizards" etc etc

Cheers :)
 
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Every trader on this forum should watch that video . its pure gold .

.................. bris
 
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If you can get the video to work, it is really worth watching because Jack has a few things to say on other trading topics as well.

I should add, thanks to "logic" over on RC who posted it (and a couple of other videosas well)

Cheers
 
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I'm the same as Julia, could only get segments and that was just too painful to keep going. I'm dying to see it and hear him speak so if anyone comes across a download version please let me know.
 
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I agree that traders can use either, either or both. Whatever they want. If they want to use technical analysis, a dartboard, the lotto numbers, a horoscope, or the weather forecast to pick their stocks no problem - there's always stop-losses right? Some people have become very rich using these methods.

If you wanna lose weight you can use Atkins, Weight Watchers, an ab-dominizer, Jenny Craig, Weight losss drinks, a personal trainer, boot camp, stomach stapler or diruetics - they all work to some degree, there are examples of them all being highly succesfull. They work!!

However.....

Every overweight person who eats regular small portions of mainly water rich foods, with a little meat and carbs, and drinks mainly water and exercises very regularly does lose weight and keeps it off!!

And over the longterm everyone who regularly puts money into a selection of diversified well run companies that are undervalued and make large profits and pay good dividends and holds them as long as possible will profit!!

There's no doubt Technical trading and ab-dominizers work for some people.

But investing and being healthy works for everyone! :D

The one and only difference is the later options require discipline, and whether most people like to admit it or not they are not disciplined and look for a quick fix instead.
 
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Realist said:
I agree that traders can use either, either or both. Whatever they want. If they want to use technical analysis, a dartboard, the lotto numbers, a horoscope, or the weather forecast to pick their stocks no problem - there's always stop-losses right? Some people have become very rich using these methods.

If you wanna lose weight you can use Atkins, Weight Watchers, an ab-dominizer, Jenny Craig, Weight losss drinks, a personal trainer, boot camp, stomach stapler or diruetics - they all work to some degree, there are examples of them all being highly succesfull. They work!!

However.....

Every overweight person who eats regular small portions of mainly water rich foods, with a little meat and carbs, and drinks mainly water and exercises very regularly does lose weight and keeps it off!!

And over the longterm everyone who regularly puts money into a selection of diversified well run companies that are undervalued and make large profits and pay good dividends and holds them as long as possible will profit!!

There's no doubt Technical trading and ab-dominizers work for some people.

But investing and being healthy works for everyone! :D

The one and only difference is the later options requires discipline, and whether most people like to admit it or not they are not disciplined and often look for a quick fix instead.

Thank you for your wisdom Realist :eek:

But for the 34,865,987,234,865,567,980,679,345th time, investing and trading are different.
 
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wayneL said:
Julia,

The answer in a nutshell is "What works for you!"

Schwager is famous of course for his books "The Market Wizards" and "The New Market Wizards" etc etc

Cheers :)


I will get those books out and read them again , has been a couple years . The Chapter Wizard Lessons in Market Wizards 2 is like a rundown of that video to a degree for those that have the book but havent got the neccesary bandwidth to view the video .

.......... bris
 
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wayneL said:
Thank you for your wisdom Realist :eek:

But for the 34,865,987,234,865,567,980,679,345th time, investing and trading are different.

So is a healthy lifestyle and buying an Ab-dominizer.

They both try and achieve the same result though....
 
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Realist said:
So is a healthy lifestyle and buying an Ab-dominizer.

They both try and achieve the same result though....

Wrong.

For the 34,865,987,234,865,567,980,679,346th time, A trader is running a business buying and selling a commodity. It could be corn flakes, chocolate bars, womens lingerie, or shares or futures. It is for income generation, the excess of which will be directed towards investments.

Investing is... well everybody knows what investing is, and its different to trading.

Let's not go over it all over AGAIN!

Cheers
 
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Fair enough, just was drawn in and tempeted to post here...

The title was too tempting.

Anywho off to bed, work tomorrow in about 9 hours damn it... :banghead:
 
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He bascially said exactly what I would've said (or tried to say) if given the same brief. Fantastic.

Ed
 
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Awesome speech. Thanks for posting the link.

Bummer you can't pause and rewind etc. :(
 
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Not again... :banghead:

With regards to Traders, Michael Pascoe had an interesting article about it in the "YourTradingEdge" rag... have a read of it in your local newsagent - its on the back page...

Props to wayneL for another great link!
 
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Schwager tried to make a living trading futures and blew his account up!

Well thats what Radge told me once.
 
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Okay block your eyes Wayne, you aint gonna like this...

I just watched that video. The guy is truly a clown.

"25% return per month for 10 years in a row" Hahahahahaaaaaaa!!

Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Then he says oh but he didn't put all his money in, because he was taught to be safe. Hahahahaaa, Then if he did that it aint 25% per month is it?

What a moronic comment.

I can supposedly make 100% per day for 10 years if I start with one dollar and beg for a dollar on the street, then the next day start with a dollar and do the same.

The point is unless it is compounding you aint making good returns.

Buffet relies on compounding and not paying tax, hence he is the 2nd richest man in the world, this clown relies on stories, hence he needs to run semiars to earn a meagre living.



"There is no such thing as a rich Technician, unless you count those that sell their services."

That I can agree with! :cool:
 
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Realist said:
Okay block your eyes Wayne, you aint gonna like this...

I just watched that video. The guy is truly a clown.

"25% return per month for 10 years in a row" Hahahahahaaaaaaa!!

Gimme a break. :rolleyes:

Then he says oh but he didn't put all his money in, because he was taught to be safe. Hahahahaaa, Then if he did that it aint 25% per month is it?

What a moronic comment.

I can supposedly make 100% per day for 10 years if I start with one dollar and beg for a dollar on the street, then the next day start with a dollar and do the same.

The point is unless it is compounding you aint making good returns.

Buffet relies on compounding and not paying tax, hence he is the 2nd richest man in the world, this clown relies on stories, hence he needs to run semiars to earn a meagre living.



"There is no such thing as a rich Technician, unless you count those that sell their services."

That I can agree with! :cool:

Maybe you should note it all down in a book and sell it to your imaginary friends. ;)
 
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Realist;

http://www.iasg.com/mainframe.asp?

Check the methods involved in getting these returns. Maybe you could INVEST in one of these huh? Its better to be the TAB than the punter; numbers never lie, horses falter sometimes. Does that make sense?
 
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$1000 traded at 25% return per month, not compounding equals $61,000 after 20 years. BEFORE TAX AND BROKERAGE

$1000 invested at 2% per month compounding equals $116,000 after 20 years.

Almost twice as much.

Now you'll find that after tax and brokerage 2% per month compounding beats 25% per month not compouding by 400%.

IT IS 4 times better to get the 2% compounding!! than 25% not compounding.


Snake, my imaginary friend, what do you think of that? :p:
 
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