The analysis, just like EW should be a bolt on, and not the primary driver.
Here’s a big hint – most of any of these schools is usually only applicable for a minority (say 30% at a guess) or the time, and then only with certain patterns. Otherwise just straight charting on its own is often good enough to trade from (so again charting ability is the foundation, and not the other way).
tech/a said:I really think that those who are well versed can and do achieve far better than 30% on "those" charts which are considered "characteristic"
Absolutely right. You should consider only applying (unless someone works out a better methodology) some forms of analysis in specific cases based on an interpretation of the pattern of trend. I suspect it’s around 30% for EW and for the cycle system I use. Sometimes I’ll just trade EW, sometimes just cycle, but the best trades combine the two.theasxgorilla said:I thought he meant the analysis technique might only apply 30% of the time ie. where it doesn't apply you can't force it.
I do think that there is a very serious component to what he does. It may seem like a joke at first, and there are a lot of rabbits with bizarre ideas out there that are crack pots.Agentm said:i thought yogi was just a joke, i never took him serious, i guess if he does take the work he does seriously, then so be it, but when i saw it appear on the adi thread i thought he was an astrologer or someone doing a horoscope type thing,, i didnt think anything of it, do poeple take it seroiusly? i thought it was just a fun thing to laugh at..
sorry to yogi if he is around, no offence, but i get all my results from research, i rarely get any new info from the forums, mainly from straight hard research and more research..
maybe yogi isnt replying as he may be wondering why your taking him seriously.. just a thought!!
theasxgorilla said:I thought he meant the analysis technique might only apply 30% of the time ie. where it doesn't apply you can't force it.
Magdoran said:Hope that makes sense.
Magdoran said:The problem is that you can’t fathom what he’s doing because he (quite rightly) protects his IP and doesn’t publish all the critical elements in his thinking. Hence unless you understand the planetary concepts behind his posts, the information is meaningless. Even I only half get what he’s doing, and there are bits I just don’t get at all…
tech/a said:February 2007.
06022007 ... positive news expected here.
22022007 ... minor and intraday rally?
23-26022007 ... minor and positive
From 6/2 PNN to start having a good month so get back in or add to positions already held.
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tech/a said:Today Seller supply overwhelmed buyers and it tanked. I didnt make a profit but I was able to get out at my buy.It lost a further 5 ticks---and would have been a few $$s had I not had the analysis capability of understanding what was happening.
Yogi,yogi-in-oz said:
Hi folks,
For those who have tipped the bucket on us in this thread
..... how are you feeling now???
To turn this thread into something constructive, instead
of the usual pointless head-butting, here's some further
insight into the PNN astrocycles, already posted.
Reasons for silence on this end throughout this thread, is
simply ABSOLUTE faith in those God-given time cycles ...
... natural time cycles, which NO MAN can change.
If we TRUST those time cycles, that affect us all, there's
NOTHING we can do, except wait and see how it all pans
out ... the cycles WILL ALWAYS unfold naturally, but it is
man's analysis and interpretation of those cycles, that can
be right or wrong ... but, if we use them in conjunction
with other TA, then our analysis becomes more accurate.
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For example, with regard to PNN analysis, in particular:
PNN price action has been negative, since the end of
January, as we approached our target date for an expected
positive cycle on 06022007 ... in the past 2 days, the
volume increased significantly, as the market panicked ...
PNN,20070205,1.76,1.8,1.44,1.59,701124
PNN,20070206,1.58,1.58,1.38,1.4,1111631
..... such extreme, negative price action and volume are
further confirmation to contrarians, that the market has
got it wrong, yet again.
This was backed up, by support found, around the small
gap-up, at the beginning of the year (1.36):
PNN,20070206,1.58,1.58,1.38,1.4,1111631
Lessons here being ... watch for extreme negative price
and volume, going into an expected positive cycle, as
they will often signal, that the market is due for a leasant
surprise, quite soon.
Likewise, extreme positive price action with high volume,
approaching an expected negative cycle, may well be a
reflection of the "madness of the crowds", as they buy in
fear of missing out on profits, with total disregard for any
proper analysis.
This stuff is quite SIMPLE and ANYBODY, with half a brain
can surely work out an entry and exit strategy, to suit their
own trading plan circumstances ... for example:
Agressive contrarians would have been buying ON our target
date, possibly around the close, after watching yesterday's
price action and the increased volume, close to critical
support, established at the beginning of 2007 ... THAT's
how you trade the time cycles .... use SIMPLE indicators and
for the most part, take a contrarian approach, particularly if
price action and volume is extreme, at strong support or
resistance levels.
No, being an aggressive trader does NOT always work,
which is why the issue of TIME STOPS was discussed,
in my FREE ebook, "Trading Plan ... wozzat??", at:
www.authorsden.com/SampleWorksPDF/10134.pdf
So, anybody buying PNN on 05-06022007 would probably
have benefited from today's gap-up at the open and the
subsequent price action that has ensued:
Code Last +/- % Bid Ask Open High Low Trades Volume
PNN 172 +32 +22.9% 172 173 156 172 155.5 143 472,191
.... up 22% on yesterday's close ... not bad for a calculated astropunt ... !~!
.....
Yes, often we do get them wrong ..... but, that has ZILCH to do with
the planetary time cycles themselves, as they will ALWAYS unfold in a
natural progression ... instead, it is our analysis and interpretation that
is wrong and astrotraders are constantly improving and developing
better tools, in an effort to improve their forecasting accuracy.
Fact is, we are really only just scratching the surface in understanding
how we can use the cosmic clock and fortunately for researchers and
astrotraders, the market is an ideal place to get a graphical overview
of sentiment changes (price), combined with analysis of the constant
TIME axis .....
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So with PNN, justice has been done and astrostuff wins, again !~!
Meanwhile, EWavers have shown the shortcomings of their own craft,
as NONE of them have produced any evidence, that the waves forecast
a rally, around this time ..... in fact, they have bailed out of a stock, that
has since gapped-up ... just 1 day, after they bailed out !~!
..... better get back to counting those waves guys or maybe, it would
be more beneficial to learn some simple time cycle analysis,
to complement your wave counts.
happy days
yogi
P.S. ..... that Golden ratio Phi and its reciprocal (1.618 and .618), often
used by EWavers, have been circling around above our heads, since
God created our universe and can be seen in the annual movements
of the Moon, Venus, Sun and our Earth, too.
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This is where you and I differ Yogi. This smacks of determinism, and is based on a concept of predetermination.yogi-in-oz said:
Reasons for silence on this end throughout this thread, is
simply ABSOLUTE faith in those God-given time cycles ...
... natural time cycles, which NO MAN can change.
If we TRUST those time cycles, that affect us all, there's
NOTHING we can do, except wait and see how it all pans
out ... the cycles WILL ALWAYS unfold naturally, but it is
man's analysis and interpretation of those cycles, that can
be right or wrong ... but, if we use them in conjunction
with other TA, then our analysis becomes more accurate.
=====
Magdoran said:Yogi,
Great call on the time point, well done.
However, I don’t think you understand the EW logic here at all, and are doing the analysis (which in my view was excellent) a great injustice.
The call was for a short, and the exit point would have yielded a solid profit. The entry and exit were excellent from a trading point of view – what more do you want?
Tech got the levels right, and showed an “ABC” pattern, which is exactly what happened. If you understood EW rules you’d know that an ABC is corrective, and signals the potential for a continuation of the main trend.
So a good trader may have traded the ABC portion short (or hedged conceptually), then re-entered around the low long.
So no, the EW player wouldn’t have “bailed out”, but exited a successful short capturing the lion’s share of the counter trend. There would also have been an opportunity to go long at this point using this analysis.
So no, the example bolstered the effectiveness of EW, and did not highlight shortcomings.
Your call for news was acceptably close enough from my point of view (forecasting +/- 1 trading day is excellent in my view). So you made a great call too.
Imagine using the two concepts in tandem? Imagine if they complemented the other? I have found this, and using both concepts in harmony I think is very potent. You know I use time points too.
I do not understand why you see the need to attack EW (unfairly I think in this case). In fact, I think that this is potentially one of the areas of knowledge that may fill some of the knowledge gap I alluded to earlier.
If you really understood EW, I think you’d find it very compatible with time based T/A.
Regards
Magdoran
So, the self annointed guru admitted to taking a loss
in PNN, yesterday !~!
So, what does EW analysis say today guys??
Buy back into PNN today on a gap-up, after taking a loss
at a lower price, yesterday ...???
tech/a said:Totally seperate G.
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