World War III: Has it Started?

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At last, the West is about to take the fight to the cowardly extreme Islamist terrorists.

From the UK Independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-declares-support-for-robust-security-responseto-counter-growing-threat-of-terrorism-in-north-africa-as-30-foreign-hostages-including-12-britons-are-thought-to-be-dead-or-missing-in-the-sahara-desert-8457456.html

There will be civilian casualties in this war.

Up until now the West has been hamstrung by a response that supported appeasement and negotiation.

In the long run, enlightened ideas will win out against fascism.

gg

Civilian casualties: It's about time we accepted that fact as unavoidable, because one side hides behind civilians and even places its weapons in schools and hospitals. Calling them cowardly fascists must be considered an offense even to cowards and fascists.

Western society has progressed, one would like to think, to a level of ethics where any civilian casualty is considered a tragedy, and efforts are made to ensure "nobody gets hurt." That development has probably been accelerated by reflecting on the horrors of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, as well as the anticipated targets during the Cold War arms race - all of which deliberately targeted the civilian population. Civilised nations, and not all of them "Western", recognised the insanity and took a step back from barbarism.
However, if our own tolerance and humanitarian principle is exploited against us, by a barbaric mob of fanatics, I cannot see any other way than calling their bluff and laying blame for innocent casualties at their feet. And if any government is condoning and supporting such terrorist organisations, civilised nations ought to withdraw support and boycott it.

One thing that bothers me greatly in this context is the silence of the moderate majority of Muslims. If they don't stand up against the radical thugs in their midst, they have to wear the same criticism and condemnation as the majority of Christian clergy did in their tacit approval of Nazism.

 

[sydboy007]

One thing that bothers me greatly in this context is the silence of the moderate majority of Muslims. If they don't stand up against the radical thugs in their midst, they have to wear the same criticism and condemnation as the majority of Christian clergy did in their tacit approval of Nazism.

here here!

THEY are slaves who fear to speak
For the fallen and the weak;
They are slaves who will not choose
Hatred, scoffing, and abuse,
Rather than in silence shrink
From the truth they needs must think;
They are slaves who dare not be
In the right with two or three.

I wonder if i could live up to this standard if the need arises. I hope I would. If not then I'll have to accept the blame and consequences.

The west needs to rid itself of Middle Eastern oil, and we can just pretty much ignore them then. No petro dollars to fund their idiocy, they might have to actually start doing some real work.

 

[explod]

In the first WW we had a few biplanes, gatling guns, gas and some bigger bore artillery in which to do the deed.

In WW11, 20 odd years later we advanced to a couple of Atomic bombs.

Its over 60 years since that wonderful, productive and great leap where are we now. If we would chart that growth in firepower we should be able to manage the total destruction of the whole universe in the next stoush.

It is not going to happen. Maybe a few bow and arrows into degenerate/unco-operatives who are sitting on some good oil and gas sites.

A Ricards style currency war is where we are heading. And the aussie dollar will go to US$1.50 plus and wipe us out that way.

You know, as much as I absolutely detest guns I think the seppos have something in the idea of full disbursement of firearms. If everyone has one then apart from the odd oddbod, everyone else will be too scared of the other not to behave.

Now its Saturday afternoon, I have not had my first tinnie yet, so it would be good if everyone behaved

 

[DB008]

Something else to keep in mind - while we are talking about WWIII scenarios...

Iran is getting close to developing a nuclear bomb.

Israel and USA have been successful in slowing down Iran with the Stuxnet worm. More info in the 'Iran War' thread.

'Flame' was also discovered late last year - again - targeted specifically at Iran.

It seems that Israel (with 'more than likely' help of the USA, possibly Germany too - Siemens PLC point of manufacture), is really trying everything to slow down Iran in it's pursuit of the bomb. Now that the USA election is over...

Will there be a full-blown-war? l doubt it. ~40,000 Iranian Jews and ~1,573,000 Arabs living in Israel.

Maybe Iran just wants the bomb as a deterrent.
Who knows.

 

[Sean K]

gg, who are the teams in your WWIII scenario?

 

[burglar]

gg, who are the teams in your WWIII scenario?

Them and us, ... as always!


And ohhhh, God is on our side.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

gg, who are the teams in your WWIII scenario?

A very good question, although "teams" probably diminishes the gravity of the situation.

Them and us as burglar so prosaically noted below is as good an answer as I can give.

Alliances change in all wars, you just have to look at how Joe Stalin and Herr Hitler started off as mates and ended as enemies, and how the Yanks came in after Pearl Harbor, after sitting on their hands.

Us and Them is good enough for the moment on reflection.

Them and us, ... as always!


And ohhhh, God is on our side.

If god is on your side, burglar, you are stuffed as he is usually on the other guys side too.

He gets to pick the winner, after the winner has won.

gg

 

[sydboy007]

Seems all the hostages at the gas plant in Algiers are dead

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Seems all the hostages at the gas plant in Algiers are dead

All civilians taken by these extreme Islamic fascists need to, on the point of capture, resist and fight.

There can be no negotiation with this type of terrorist.

All governments need to issue new guidelines on action to be taken by their citizens if captured by the fascists.

Resistance.

From the UK Telegraph

The full extent of the militants’ chilling intent and the horrors inside the facility began to emerge yesterday. According to the eyewitness account of an Algerian cook, working at the compound, the kidnappers grabbed one British hostage and forced him at gunpoint to call for other Westerners to come out from where they were hiding. Once his colleagues had given themselves up, the Briton was shot in cold blood. “They threatened him until he called out in English to his friends,” said the man named Chabane. “A few minutes later, they blew him away.”
One source said 15 burned bodies had been discovered by the Algerian troops as they secured the area. Another said that 16 hostages had been freed, including two Americans, two Germans and one Portuguese. French authorities said all their nationals were accounted for, Norway said six of its citizens were missing, while the Romanian government said one of its citizens was dead.

gg

 

[Julia]

All civilians taken by these extreme Islamic fascists need to, on the point of capture, resist and fight.

Not quite sure exactly how I'd be capable of resisting a bunch of big blokes, heavily armed?

 

[explod]

Not quite sure exactly how I'd be capable of resisting a bunch of big blokes, heavily armed?

Maybe we need to start an ASF neighbourhood protection plan.

Anyone that worked in social R + D about.

Of course the Greens "back to the neighbourhood villiage" concept would do it.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Not quite sure exactly how I'd be capable of resisting a bunch of big blokes, heavily armed?

There is more to resistance than physically fighting.

Maybe we need to start an ASF neighbourhood protection plan.

Anyone that worked in social R + D about.

Of course the Greens "back to the neighbourhood villiage" concept would do it.

Unlikely as it would be, and with great respect to your good self plod, I would not relish being captured by extreme Islamic fascists in the company of a Green.

gg

 

[explod]

There is more to resistance than physically fighting.



Unlikely as it would be, and with great respect to your good self plod, I would not relish being captured by extreme Islamic fascists in the company of a Green.

gg

Feed them, give them a job and the extremism would pass away in less than a generation.

Noted huge social change during the course of my career with new arrivals from the 1970's

Also the successes of the old Colombo Plan was also a good case in point. Started out to assist in self sufficiency it worked very well in the early years but has since been eaten up by the West's need to make a profit out of everything.

Never stop laughing at GWB going for Iraq following the two towers destruction when in fact the problem proved to be more from sections of Pakistan in which the US worked hand in glove.(and most of use knew that, hence the street demonstrations at the time)

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Unlikely as it would be, and with great respect to your good self plod, I would not relish being captured by extreme Islamic fascists in the company of a Green.

gg

Feed them, give them a job and the extremism would pass away in less than a generation.

Noted huge social change during the course of my career with new arrivals from the 1970's

Also the successes of the old Colombo Plan was also a good case in point. Started out to assist in self sufficiency it worked very well in the early years but has since been eaten up by the West's need to make a profit out of everything.

Never stop laughing at GWB going for Iraq following the two towers destruction when in fact the problem proved to be more from sections of Pakistan in which the US worked hand in glove.(and most of use knew that, hence the street demonstrations at the time)

And that is just the reason plod, why I would not relish being clapped up with a Green by extreme Islamic fascists.

I can just imagine the conversation between two of them pointing kalashnikovs at us.

Fascist 1 " What did that kaffir say about the US and gloves ? "

Fascist 2 " I think he said something about the US using kid gloves with us brothers "

Fascist 1 " Kill him and get that harmless looking kaffir with the cigar in his mouth to take his body out behind the vehicles parked near the gate "

gg

 

[explod]

As you wish gg. However in another life did a lot of study on aggression.

It be-gets aggression which suits the system (US in particular) for the manufacture and sales or arms. And plenty of anecdotal gets through that the seppos supply the enemy. One of the reasons they detest people like Assange

Of course, they the "Islamic fascists" would cut you down before morning tea, but we know and just talking about that is a useless exercise.

Tell me about what we can do to change such things?

I also know that many people with the answers give up, as first they run into such deadbeat attitudes as permeates site's such as this and a Governmental system that only plans for the next three years.

 

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Feed them, give them a job and the extremism would pass away in less than a generation.

I doubt you could find enough food and jobs, explod.
Unless you'd first got rid of the Islamofascist indoctrination in Qur'an schools, they'd outbreed all your free food aid. There'd also be enough followers among the impressionable young, who'd find it much easier and 'cooler' not to work for a living, but to destroy. Our childhood games of Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians may have resulted in relatively harmless bruises or the odd broken bone; in hindsight though, I wouldn't trust any of my then play mates if someone had given us a real Smith & Wesson or Kalashnikov with live ammo...

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I doubt you could find enough food and jobs, explod.
Unless you'd first got rid of the Islamofascist indoctrination in Qur'an schools, they'd outbreed all your free food aid. There'd also be enough followers among the impressionable young, who'd find it much easier and 'cooler' not to work for a living, but to destroy. Our childhood games of Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians may have resulted in relatively harmless bruises or the odd broken bone; in hindsight though, I wouldn't trust any of my then play mates if someone had given us a real Smith & Wesson or Kalashnikov with live ammo...

Paul Keating famously called Australian Democrats and Greens, Fairies at the Bottom of the Garden.

They live in la la land.

In a war, they would be at the least bad, useless; and at worst a hindrance.

Best they vent.

gg

ps may I state that within this post is the first correct use of a semi colon on ASF.

gg

 

[explod]

I could not be bothered doing a dummy spit.

In the next day or so I am going to find or create a thread on education.

Getting just this one thing on track, if we can, is the only hope.

 

[wayneL]

Paul Keating famously called Australian Democrats and Greens, Fairies at the Bottom of the Garden.

They live in la la land.

In a war, they would be at the least bad, useless; and at worst a hindrance.

Best they vent.

gg

ps may I state that within this post is the first correct use of a semi colon on ASF.

gg

In retrospect, I appreciate many of Keating's utterances; the one you mention a prime example.

He would have made as good a Liberal as Turnbull a Labourite... and an acid wit second to none.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

In retrospect, I appreciate many of Keating's utterances; the one you mention a prime example.

He would have made as good a Liberal as Turnbull a Labourite... and an acid wit second to none.

Agree.

If there is to be a War, I'd prefer a Keating, Howard or Abbott leading Australia, rather than a Turnbull, Gillard or Rudd.

Conviction, thought, execution and mojo count more in a war than soft spin.

gg