World Population growth

[sptrawler]

Good. Property prices have needed to come down for a long time.

The idea of perpetual expansion is just... ugh. I genuinely wonder how this country is so stupid at times.

Then I remember that the boomers are profiting from it.

I suspect that we have reached or surpassed our maximum level of efficiency as a species and we will decline in numbers untill a balance between population numbers and resources required is achieved.

No doubt environmental factors are involved, but so are economics. If people can't get secure well paying jobs are they really going to be interested in having kids if they can't afford a house to put them in ? On the other hand opportunities for women have increased (despite the feminist screeching otherwise) and more women are interested in careers rather than child rearing.

All of which adds up to a levelling out of the population increase in the developed world at least.

Which is a good thing imo, as long as we can afford aged care.

Well the reality is, the first world have a negative population growth.
The third world have a positive population growth.
It would be interesting to see the birth rate of refugee families that arrive in Australia.

 

[over9k]

Even migrant birthrates drop significantly both once they come here and over time/generations.

It's nothing to do with race etc and everything to do with the system and culture of the first world.

 

[basilio]

I'm not sure if many people read the article I posted.

The question raised is not to do with voluntary reductions in births. It is whether humans will be be able to reproduce in 30 years time at all becasue of the impact of the various chemicals we have released into the environment.

Thoughts of how we address this problem now before the cumulative effect of these chemicals becomes impossible to reverse ? Or is it just too difficult, too late or more Fake News ??

Plummeting sperm counts, shrinking penises: toxic chemicals threaten humanity | Erin Brockovich The chemicals to blame for our reproductive crisis are found everywhere and in everything​

www.theguardian.com

 

[SirRumpole]

I'm not sure if many people read the article I posted.

The question raised is not to do with voluntary reductions in births. It is whether humans will be be able to reproduce in 30 years time at all becasue of the impact of the various chemicals we have released into the environment.

Thoughts of how we address this problem now before the cumulative effect of these chemicals becomes impossible to reverse ? Or is it just too difficult, too late or more Fake News ??

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Plummeting sperm counts, shrinking penises: toxic chemicals threaten humanity | Erin Brockovich The chemicals to blame for our reproductive crisis are found everywhere and in everything​

www.theguardian.com

I'm not a chemist, but if it's in The Guardian, it must be right.

 

[basilio]

I'm not a chemist, but if it's in The Guardian, it must be right.

Ha Ha. I could quote around a dozen other newspapers and Medical Journals re the effects of these chemicals on human fertility. And in fact the main source is Erin Brokovich who pulled together the various research papers highlighting what is happening.

But I suppose these days we are all so fed up with yet another environmental scare the easiest thing to do is throw up our hands and open up another tinnie.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ha Ha. I could quote around a dozen other newspapers and Medical Journals re the effects of these chemicals on human fertility. And in fact the main source is Erin Brokovich who pulled together the various research papers highlighting what is happening.

But I suppose these days we are all so fed up with yet another environmental scare the easiest thing to do is throw up our hands and open up another tinnie.

I suppose we could all bonk like crazy before it's too late ? Or at least make weekly donations to sperm and egg banks compulsory ?

 

[sptrawler]

I suppose we could all bonk like crazy before it's too late ? Or at least make weekly donations to sperm and egg banks compulsory ?

A bit politically incorrect, but I see a lot of obvious African descent families around my area that have a lot of kids, not much breathing space between them.
Which is probably a good thing, because our younger generation seem to be having too much of a beano, to be having kids. ?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

frankly, I'm glad I won't be around in 2100, no matter what the projection

Where Is Population Growth Actually Heading?

Demographics matter. An aging society, fewer children, less workers, immigration, to name a few, are likely to shape our future in ways we cannot predict. There is much uncertainty, exemplified by …

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[Sean K]

frankly, I'm glad I won't be around in 2100, no matter what the projection

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Where Is Population Growth Actually Heading?

Demographics matter. An aging society, fewer children, less workers, immigration, to name a few, are likely to shape our future in ways we cannot predict. There is much uncertainty, exemplified by …

frankdiana.net

I can't see how Nigeria sustains 700m?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I can't see how Nigeria sustains 700m?

They want to live in your place.

 

[farmerge]

With the population heading to 9 Billion by 2050, what does this mean for our investments?

Surely, there are many companies in prime positions to benefit from this growth.

Obviously holdings of prime agricultural land in politically stable areas and companies with large resources of Potash and Phosphate are in business areas with a tail wind.

Large low cost producers of energy and materials resources should to well over time.

Companies with strong brands in food production, and companies with key positions in food marketing and distribution should do well.

Even one of my favourite companies "The Walt Disney company" is in a prime position to profit from a growing customer base for it's media content and parks and resorts etc.

Good evening Mr Value. Obviously with a forecast population of that size food production will be papamount. Phosphate fertilisers will be in far greater need and use to create the crop growth needed to fill the empty bellies. Without the tucker, not all will be skittles and roses. We as a global community are over-populated now, even though sufficient food is produced, the distribution doesn't satisfy the needs of some of these countries.

 

[farmerge]

I can't see how Nigeria sustains 700m?

Hmm subsistence living, extremly profilic breeding and those that survive carry-on ditto

 

[Sean K]

Good evening Mr Value. Obviously with a forecast population of that size food production will be papamount. Phosphate fertilisers will be in far greater need and use to create the crop growth needed to fill the empty bellies. Without the tucker, not all will be skittles and roses. We as a global community are over-populated now, even though sufficient food is produced, the distribution doesn't satisfy the needs of some of these countries.

"You will be eating insects and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab.

 

[Value Collector]

Good evening Mr Value. Obviously with a forecast population of that size food production will be papamount. Phosphate fertilisers will be in far greater need and use to create the crop growth needed to fill the empty bellies. Without the tucker, not all will be skittles and roses. We as a global community are over-populated now, even though sufficient food is produced, the distribution doesn't satisfy the needs of some of these countries.

food production won’t be a huge problem food production is more sensible.

We currently divert huge amounts of the worlds food crops to feeding animals on factory farms. If humans ate a larger amount of plants based food, we could actually support a much larger population with out existing farmland, fertilisers and water.

You can see this in the annual reports of the fertiliser producers, they’d aren’t pinning their hopes on growing populations so much as a global population that’s getting richer and wanting to eat more protein.

(When they say protein, they aren’t talking about protein so much as they are taking about eating more animals)

 

[Value Collector]

"You will be eating insects and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab.

Or just more tofu, only 6% of all soybeans are eaten by humans, most are used as animal feed.

As one of the worlds biggest crops you can increase the available food available for humans by feeding less soybeans to chickens and pigs and switching out a chicken or pork stir fry for a tofu one a few days a week.

 

[Value Collector]

I suppose we could all bonk like crazy before it's too late ? Or at least make weekly donations to sperm and egg banks compulsory ?

I think TikTok is going lower birth rates more than any chemicals, My wife’s TikTok algorithm is feeding her (and probably millions of others) a steady stream of truth bombs about the negative affects or pregnancy and children.

It’s no wonder women are having less kids these days, they don’t want to live like breeding stock during their 20’s like a 1950’s house wife.

The “one and done” movement or even couples that just don’t want any will naturally cause human population to stabilise and then begin a slow decline, I think it’s a good thing.

 

[farmerge]

"You will be eating insects and you will be happy." Klaus Schwab.

Indo-China type diet. No thanks. Double Gee (3 Corner Jack) leaves perhaps. were brought into here as a condiment aka lettuce

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Declining and or persistently low fertility rstes, plus emigration, and what do you get:

According to the CIA data, the countries and territories with the fastest shrinking populations (all greater than 1 per cent) are as follows:

• Cook Islands—shrinking by 2.24 percent every year
• American Samoa
• Saint Pierre and Miquelon
• Puerto Rico
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Poland
• Romania
• Estonia
• Federated States of Micronesia

 

[farmerge]

Declining and or persistently low fertility rstes, plus emigration, and what do you get:

According to the CIA data, the countries and territories with the fastest shrinking populations (all greater than 1 per cent) are as follows:

• Cook Islands—shrinking by 2.24 percent every year
• American Samoa
• Saint Pierre and Miquelon
• Puerto Rico
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Poland
• Romania
• Estonia
• Federated States of Micronesia

@Dona Ferentes I don't think that this list of countries declining population would make much difference to the world's population as a whole

 

[basilio]

Declining and or persistently low fertility rstes, plus emigration, and what do you get:

According to the CIA data, the countries and territories with the fastest shrinking populations (all greater than 1 per cent) are as follows:

• Cook Islands—shrinking by 2.24 percent every year
• American Samoa
• Saint Pierre and Miquelon
• Puerto Rico
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Poland
• Romania
• Estonia
• Federated States of Micronesia

This link explores this issue in more detail.
The very simple fact is that any country with a a reproduction rate of less that 2.1-2.2 per woman is going to experience a long term decline in population short of substantial immigration.

What is the current reproduction rate around the world ?

Awful copy. Best to check out the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate