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StockAsArOck said:
Prawn, you assumption that a market cap figure cant be manipulated shows some inherrant thinking within the box IMO, I do not propose that the actual company figures or policing of them are dicked up, just their display via certain brokers.

Eg - Online Broker A knows the market cap for company B has been downgraded from say, 110m to 56m, all you have to do to manipulate it from this point is just experience some "computer lagg" in updating those online stats for your customers....then you have your seemingly great "fundamentals" and their BULL..IT!!!!! lol

Yeah?

(Now you're outside the box)

SA
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So in otherwords, those stupid enough to not do their own calculations get sucked in.

Sounds fair to me...

EDIT - how can a market cap be 'downgraded'??? Its a dynamic figure, every cent move creates a different MC. No wonder you stuck to cash...
 
MrBurns said:
I'll take the unit on the gold coast how about you ?
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Sorry didn't explain my point exactly. Obviously the return on Allco would be a lot less (if they get anything at all). My point was that you can lose a lot of money in either the share market or property is your not wise, so you can't go and blindly label the sharemarket a scam.

Re: Market Cap

I too don't understand how this can be heavily manipulated :confused:
It has always been a good indicator in the past and should continue to be so.
 
StockAsArOck said:
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Eg - Online Broker A knows the market cap for company B has been downgraded from say, 110m to 56m, all you have to do to manipulate it from this point is just experience some "computer lagg" in updating those online stats for your customers....then you have your seemingly great "fundamentals" and their BULL..IT!!!!! lol

Yeah?

(Now you're outside the box)

SA
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no , no thanks needed bud , your statement is absolute crud actually , a BROKER does not downgrade OR upgrade the market cap darl . THE BUYERS OR SELLERS DO . the market cap of a co changes from every different last sale price ..geez m8 buy a book!
 
StockAsArOck said:
Prawn.....

Please define "fair"

lol
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Fair is those people losing money who think they will make instant cash from the markets without having to do even the simplest research or calculations (IE - market cap).

Its obvious you have not done any reading whatsoever, so and further points will be over your head.
 
market cap is also changed when a co does new issues , buybacks , options conversions etc etc ...

market cap = number of shares X current price , i can say that 50 times if ya wish but if ya dont believe me , ring afriend
 
Maybe Im just scanning for permabulls in here......


HAHAHA

Oh, you kids......
I tell ya, it's a laugh sometimes.

THATS A BULLTRAP KIDDIES, and you wont find that in a "book" m8....
 
StockAsArOck said:
So your in front trading sammy?

lol

see what I mean?
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Depends what you define as down. I started investing around 2002, my net position till now is up. I exited some positions this time last year, and have re-entered again recently, and am down on those trades, but once you take into account dividends I'm doing fine.

But lets look at the opportunity cost had I not invested;
My money would be sitting in a bank getting chewed up by inflation.
Or
I would have bought property, yielded low returns, sacrificed the majority of my income towards interest and now be at least 20% down.
 
Stockasarock,

If you're not making money in the current market just admit to yourself that you don't know what is going on and commit to learn. You, and only you, are responsible for your trading results.
 
MS+Tradesim said:
Stockasarock,

If you're not making money in the current market just admit to yourself that you don't know what is going on and commit to learn. You, and only you, are responsible for your trading results.
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I think this is where the true problem really is. Where does a beginner go to learn?

There are so many scams when it comes to investment courses, books that are just bad, and so many methods of trading (that take a certain person to exercise). To the average beginner trying to learn it is very difficult. Most people want to invest in a company and see it grow - they don't want to have to worry about stop losses, overbought/oversold, technical analysis, or whatever strikes your fancy. Hence why most new investors are FA people - they look at the numbers, see a growth rate and take it. They understand a loss of 20% if the companies earnings are down 20%, not 80% like the current market.

To the average person it is a casino. The good traders are like card counters in the casino - know how to milk the system.
 
aleckara said:
To the average person it is a casino. The good traders are like card counters in the casino - know how to milk the system.
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"the good traders"

That my friend, in reference to your quote above is an oxymoron....
Think about it.

Of course no one in the top 5% of wealth will agree.....duh!!!
They usually say things like "oh you must have got burned because your lacking in skill" - thats a faux pa also....

Answer this, where will these "good traders" be when mum and dads say "no more" and bail in numbers?
Jumping out of windows again i expect......
Sound "good" to you?

lol
"good traders"....pardon the pun, but thats a "good one"
:)
 
MS+Tradesim said:
Stockasarock,

If you're not making money in the current market just admit to yourself that you don't know what is going on and commit to learn. You, and only you, are responsible for your trading results.
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lol....
prophetic.

Do you make the coffee's around here, I still need one you know.......

;)
 
StockAsArOck said:
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Answer this, where will these "good traders" be when mum and dads say "no more" and bail in numbers?
Jumping out of windows again i expect......
Sound "good" to you?

lol
"good traders"....pardon the pun, but thats a "good one"
:)
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oh dear ..um it isnt the mums and dads that move these markets .... sorry to burrst your bubble ......... like i said b4 read a book darl cos u obviously know squat on market realitys

no offense intended
 
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