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Who are you voting for in the Federal election?

Who do you intend to vote for?

  • Labor

    Votes: 59 37.3%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 75 47.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 8.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 7.0%

  • Total voters
    158
Looks like no later than early December election.

What the hell is he going to pull out this campaign!?

 
Garrett seems to polarise people.
He would be absolutely the last person I'd vote for.

I used to think that. Now I'm not so sure. The first person I USED to vote for was Howard and I was wrong there so now I'm open minded about Garrett.
 

Even the Army are getting annoyed with doing the pollie's work for them ...

It was always gonna be unsustainable - sheesh !!! And it was always gonna be "for the cameras" in an election year imo.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/10/01/2048221.htm?section=justin
 

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THis bloke is quoting Crikey dot com as of a month ago...

 
http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20070926-Broughs-bulldozing-backyard-blitz.html
Brough’s bulldozing backyard blitz
Wednesday, 26 September 2007

 
Two of the more outlandish folk running in this federal election

http://www.paulinehanson.com.au/

http://www.bobbrown.org.au/

Garpal
While not agreeing or disagreeing, why are these two "outlandish"?

out·land·ish /aʊtˈlændɪʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[out-lan-dish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. freakishly or grotesquely strange or odd, as appearance, dress, objects, ideas, or practices; bizarre: outlandish clothes; outlandish questions.
2. having a foreign appearance.
3. remote from civilized areas; out-of the-way: an outlandish settlement.
4. Archaic. foreign; alien.
 

One was, but now isn't. Because their policies were taken in as the norm. One has never been, because of his consistent voting results. I may be biased though, Bob Brown likes me.
 

When will they learn!!!???

This looks so much like Brough and Howard trying to endoctrinate aboriginal people to white man culture again. How many houses and suburbs, even towns have they supplied to the aboriginal community like this that have been abandoned, trashed or distroyed.

If they provide resources and expertise to let the aboriginals participate in the design and construction of their houses and communities it will not only win the hearts and minds of the community, but they will get a dwelling they will appreciate and be comfortable with.
 
I used to think that. Now I'm not so sure. The first person I USED to vote for was Howard and I was wrong there so now I'm open minded about Garrett.
Nioka, would you have still felt OK about John Howard had he not snuggled up to GWB and supported the Iraq war etc? It was this which turned the tide for me; his absolute refusal to consider the views of the majority of Australians. The mantra about "we need to be one with our major ally" has a hollow ring to it as far as I'm concerned. Little New Zealand doesn't have anyone to come to its aid in the unlikely event of any invasion, but they have had the fortitude to stand by their own convictions over American nuclear ships many years ago, and over the Iraq war more recently.

Re Garrett: I don't like zealots. And a zealot is what he was until he joined the Labor Party. Now he seems to simply parrot off the Labor Party line as he is instructed to do. So much for his convictions. Apart from that, I admit I just can't stand to look at him! (Yes, I know, shouldn't judge people by appearances etc etc.)
 
I started to dislike Howard when he did not disagree with Costello's "noncore promise". They he disarmed the law abiding and let the crims keep their guns. He showed his fear of guns by wearing a bullet proof vest at Gympie. Then there was the lies and deceit towards Pauline Hanson but still used most of the policies she promoted. He was deceitful about the Tampa. All that was before Iraq which was the final straw.
Peter Garrett is a different case, I agree he echoes Labour policy but he probably influences it a lot. This gets a green view into politics without the extremes of Bob Brown, who has done more harm than good to the enviroment. He (Bob Brown) has stopped necessary dams and has caused forestry to be more destructive than necessary. His policies force forestry to abandon sustainable harvesting and causing a lot more clear felling than there should or could be. By Garrett being with labour and not the greens I think we will get a better outcome for the enviroment. We need another like him in the coalition.
 
govt lies...


http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/authors-threaten-to-sue-hockey/2007/10/02/1191091115247.html

 
Hi Julia,

I totally agree with you about Garrett's convictions. I had more respect for him when he stood for the NDP (Nuclear Disarmanent Party) in the 1980s where he just missed out on getting into the Senate.
Back then he stuck to his beliefs and was more passionate. Now he's just like most politicians. He falls into line behind the leader. Look at the pulp mill decision for instance. I'm against it on environmental grounds as I feel that the environmental effects may well prove to be devastating. I'm also concerned that the decision to go ahead has been made too quickly by both the state and federal governments. I reckon that Turnbull was a bit hesitant in giving the go ahead, but Howard may well have been in the background pulling the strings. It would have been a smart political move for Turnbull to have said no, but that is now history.
Turnbull is in a very marginal seat and this decision will not help him one bit. Pity though as I like him, being one of the few moderates still around in the Liberal Party. I remember on one occasion especially when he talked about tax reform that would give greater relief to low and middle income earners in particular. I also admired his republican stand and feel that he could one day be PM.
 
The pulp mill will be built, no matter what the environmental costs are. If you still remember what happened last election, when Federal Labor announced that Tasmanian forests will be protected, and they would then help timber workers to look for other jobs... just look at how many seats they have lost. It was a complete disaster for fed Labor in Tasmania.

So, the fact is, the party who wants to pick up that seat will have to promote jobs in that region ahead of any environmental impacts, and both parties can clearly see this point, going into the current election.
 

Awesomandy, it certainly wasn't "a complete disaster for fed Labor in Tasmania". They still retained 3 of the 5 lower house seats there at the last election. To try to protect their 2 Tasmanian seats, the Liberals risk losing even a greater number of seats elsewhere due in part to the pulp mill decision. Wentworth, Turnbull's seat, is one good example.
 
I'm surprised no one has spoken about the health care funding fiasco.

All state governments are increasing spending at a faster rate than the feds, admittedly. Yet, most states are in financial difficulty and cannot afford more health care demands, with the feds sitting on a massive surplus. Where do you think the problem lies?
 

Where do you think the problem lies?

Well, for a start reducing the number of bureaucrats. I can't recall the actual percentages but Qld Health has about twice as many bureaucrats/administrative staff as they do health workers.

I wouldn't be letting State governments off the hook by saying it's lack of federal funding that's the problem for one fraction of a millisecond.
I don't know about other States, but Qld Health is a total ***** fiasco, and nothing much has changed since Beattie vowed to clean it up following the Dr Death scandal. Dr. Death, btw, is still swanning around in the USA and will probably never be extradited to face justice here.

I have a friend in hospital here at present following a major operation.
She was told prior to admission: you only get one pillow so if you want more, then bring your own.

If I were down to my last dollar it would be spent on private cover rather than risk being dependent on our health system.
 
That's a federal policing problem now.

And believe it or not Julia, if the banana benders decided to grow a few more brain cells, they could choose to have fluoride in their water for instance.

As to the pillows, yes, that is a funding issue. As to the bureaucrats/ administration staff. I know here, they can't get those staff. And don't forget, all the data entry people, OHS and many other positions will be included in amongst these. Anecdotally at least, everyone I know in these positions is chronically over worked. So I think it's a non issue.

As to funding, here in WA the feds wouldn't fund an MRI for our childrens hospital. Nor would they even LICENSE it! You can only penny pinch down to a certain level before things break...

WA just isn't bothering anymore, and we are going into massive debt to fund new hospitals. Funny that, considering we are the boom state...
 
the spilt of resources between private and public health has only meant one thing... a poorer level of service for all...

i wonder how much money the feds have pumped into private health, with the rebates, etc...

its common sense.. spilt the same money, between two systems, you get two half baked systems!

but they haven't learnt... via the 45m contrib. to the Mersey Hospital and now their stupid plan for local boards... How the hell are local boards going to be able to look at the big picture. All they are going to be interested in is their own patch...

If we are going to excuse the liberals for the poor state of health at the moment(even tho the figures state they have underfunded the states in the last 10 years)... thats fair enough

BUT... knowing their plans for the future put forward by the incompetent abbott and co, you'd be hard-pressed to find excuses to exempt the liberals of blame for the inevitable further deterioration in the health system.
the spilt of resources between private and public health has only meant one thing... a poorer level of service for all...

i wonder how much money the feds have pumped into private health, with the rebates, etc...

its common sense.. spilt the same money, between two systems, you get two half baked systems!

but they haven't learnt... via the 45m contrib. to the Mersey Hospital and now their stupid plan for local boards... How the hell are local boards going to be able to look at the big picture. All they are going to be interested in is their own patch...

If we are going to excuse the liberals for the poor state of health at the moment(even tho the figures state they have underfunded the states in the last 10 years)... thats fair enough

BUT... knowing their plans for the future put forward by the incompetent abbott and co, you'd be hard-pressed to find excuses to exempt the liberals of blame for the inevitable further deterioration in the health system.



And speaking of abbott and co…. is it just me that is slightly bemused at the way the liberals are trying to focus on the rest of the labor team…?

I mean… does anyone really consider the likes of Downer, Nelson, Andrews, Abbott, McFarlane, Hockey and Coonan actually competent???
 
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