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That's nuts see how many older people were in there?

Brasso's can be out there but have had the pleasure meeting many genuine souls over the years.
I don't believe the people in that shop aren't aware of the issues with covid, they either don't care, or they are desperate.
If they don't care no one can change that, other than implementing draconian measures, like we did.
If they are desperate, well that is sad.
The difference is we are very lucky that we are an extremely rich country, with a very small population and we can afford to throw money at people so they don't suffer even if they don't work or lose their job.
Not many countries are as fortunate, that is why I don't get into criticising how other countries handle the issue, or compare it with the way we have handled it, not many could afford it.
 
It has gone largely unnoticed to date but the Trump administration has been stepping up flights of B52 bombers armed with nuclear cruise missiles around the Russian and Chinese borders.

Take away message?

Playing with Fire

And where will all this end? As the U.S. sends nuclear-capable bombers on increasingly provocative flights ever closer to Russian and Chinese territory, the danger of an accident or mishap is bound to grow. Sooner or later, a fighter plane from one of those countries is going to get too close to an American bomber and a deadly incident will occur. And what will happen if a nuclear bomber, armed with advanced missiles and electronics (even conceivably nuclear weapons), is in some fashion downed? Count on one thing: in Donald Trump’s America the calls for devastating retaliation will be intense and a major conflagration cannot be ruled out.

Bluntly put, dispatching nuclear-capable B-52s on simulated bombing runs against Chinese and Russian military installations is simply nuts. Yes, it must scare the bejesus out of Chinese and Russian officials, but it will also prompt them to distrust any future peaceful overtures from American diplomats while further bolstering their own military power and defenses. Eventually, we will all find ourselves in an ever more dangerous and insecure world with the risk of Armageddon lurking just around the corner.



Tomgram: Michael Klare, A Game of Nuclear Chicken with Russia and China
Posted by Michael Klare at 4:08pm, October 11, 2020.
Follow TomDispatch on Twitter @TomDispatch.
 
They were nuke armed?

They have been flying these missions for years to test capabilities. Its also a deterrent to China and Russia and a moral booster to allied countries.

They regularly have war games with Japan. China and Russia have done the same.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-f-22s-intercept-russian-bombers-near-alaska/

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...s/russian-bombers-alaska-intercept/index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/12/us/pentagon-russian-bombers/index.html

All the way back to 2014.
Stop printing fear monger rubbish.
 

Mo either you didn't actually read the article or couldn't understand it or just refuse to believe what it says.

These are not normal missions in any way shape or form.

If anyone else is interested in learning more about current US nuclear military strategy (with Trump as President..) read the article yourself and make up your own mind.
 
I read the airforce times months ago on this mission. Russia and of late China have both been doing this for a long time.

Do you think war games are to see how fast we can "hug a threat"?

India and China are battling over borders. China is pushing into south China seas and currently trying to land grab both Taiwan and the islands off Japan. Also trying Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Korean waters.
So yes, bombers will be testing enemy systems.

What do you think China and Russia are doing?
Russia invaded Ukraine already.

And the planes were not carrying nukes. They apparently had "nuclear carrying" capabilities.
That's not what they generally carry though, generally they carry J series bombs.

They are also pretty useless and would not be the delivery mechanism for nukes. If anything they were probably testing to see if they are obsolete.

Russia has hypersonic nukes, China in development. And US was lagging behind. US was using smaller nukes on subs from memory.

The article is fear mongering bs.
 
The article is fear mongering bs.

Indeed and so you say about many things Mo.

That doesn't make it true.
It is just your own particular opinion.
And when I see the range of views you express and the sources you use to back them up ...

The analysis I posted from a credible analyst is far more detailed than simply training and war games. I still suggest anyone interested can make up their own mind or look further.
 
From someone thinking B-52s are going to be a viable option to dropping nukes?
They lost credibility right there. Honestly this bomber has been around since the 50s. It wouldn't be tasked with nuking, even if it was against NZ.
 
Here's some more on what they are actually doing. And its generally testing defenses:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...elligence-trap-for-the-russians/#2a59fbf562b9



But sure bas, your article of TDS is really legitimate

In case people don't know why:

The B-52—nicknamed the BUFF—was originally intended to drop nuclear gravity bombs on the Soviet Union. That would already have been suicidal by the end of the 1960s given the rapid improvement of surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, and would be even more so today.
 
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From someone thinking B-52s are going to be a viable option to dropping nukes?
They lost credibility right there. Honestly this bomber has been around since the 50s. It wouldn't be tasked with nuking, even if it was against NZ.

You didn't actually read the article did you Mo ?
The B52 were not going to drop nukes. The current armament is nuclear armed cruise missiles

each of them is capable of carrying eight AGM-86B nuclear-armed, air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs) in its bomb bay. Those six planes, in other words, could have been carrying 48 city-busting thermonuclear warheads.

 
They would not be used for that as there are better delivery options. I could theoretically strap a nuke on a hot-air balloon, not the best delivery system.The point was that they would not make it through air defenses. It was an intelligence gathering exercise as it turned out. They are no longer allowed to carry gravity nukes. And the newer bombers (if they were going to risk it) would be used such as the B-21. Possibly something smaller in conjunction with the bombers.

Nukes would be used by subs that may possibly change with the new "arrw" and "hacksaw" program advancement. That's if they get it to work But B-52s won't be nuking anything soon. Its a bunk article.

B-52s are the military parade of the sky. Its a testing and propaganda exercise.
They would not fly into radar if they were nuking either.

Here is more info on the agm nukes that were out of date by 92 by the way:


https://www.realcleardefense.com/ar...n_an_uncertain_future_environment_114221.html

Either way you article was rubbish to scare people to think Trump was hovering his finger over the button. When in actual fact he has pushed harder on the use of sanctions against the leaders of enemy states rather then bombs.
 
The B52 are currently equipped to launch nuclear armed cruise missiles. They don't have to pierce foreign borders to launch these missiles.

This is one of the current elements of the US military capacity. Russia knows this. So does China. So does everyone . That is part of deterrence.

The paper you quoted at length makes it clear that the these weapons systems are currently operational. What it then argues is that the Government should upgrade its bombers and missile systems to overcome perceived Russia/China improvements in their air defenses.

The paper I quoted simply pointed out that, in the writers view, recent US military sweeps have been dangerously aggressive and run the risk of an incident that could conceivably spiral out of control. In the context of the current Trump administration the response to such an incident could be overwhelming and catastrophic.
 
It points out that the nukes were likely to be intercepted along with the B-52. Thus B-52 for nuclear purposes are a bit far fetched at this stage.

I also pointed out this is a routine event in military circles with links going back over the years. I could probably provide 100 incidents from Russia or China that were hyper aggressive.

Trump has already been tested numerous times. In a few incidents he apparently gave warning so civilians, or workers could evacuate before bombing. He has also been tested on Iran going after military leaders rather than dropping bombs on everyone.
He also attempted peace with NK.
Middle East the US walked out of.

All facets of the article are solely directed at fear not fact.


You directly stated that "These are not normal missions in any way shape or form."

When in fact they have been carried out since the cold war.
 
China on Indian border.
China on Taiwan.
China on Japan.
China on Philippines.
China on Vietnam.
China on Mongolia.
China on Indonesia.
China on Korea.
China on South China Sea

All with incursions into others territory, violent conflicts resulting in death and land grabbing.

But Please school me that the greatest threat is currently Trump.
 
It points out that the nukes were likely to be intercepted along with the B-52. Thus B-52 for nuclear purposes are a bit far fetched at this stage.
There is no way the aircraft would be carrying nuclear devices during peace times, firstly if the aircraft crashed it would be an international incident.
Secondly if the aircraft was forced down due to technical issue, it would be impounded and a foreign country would have access to the technology being used and if it was a rouge nation could very well on sell the nuclear devices.
How many thermonuclear cruise missiles were used in the middle East during the war? So why the hell would they carry them around when there isn't a major conflict? It just highlights how gullible people are IMO.
Way too many people believing everything they read, I applaud you perseverance in debating the issues, whether it causes people to reflect on their reasoning is doubtfull.
 
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Trump has been the greatest threat to the western world (particularly Australia) over the last 80 years as he has broken / trashed many western alliances all the while China continues to build while encourages the divisions both in the alliances and domestically Rome burns while Trump praises himself.

Trump BTW has done the same internally in the US there is no longer a team America.
 
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