Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

Decent summary by Uhlmann

He is thinking Trump will get re elected, I wont be surprised at all particularly with the blinked absolute stead fast support seen here.

"When Trump emerged, devotees saw him as a revolutionary vandal. They did not want him to go to Washington and fix it; they wanted him to burn it down. They wanted to inflict a measure of the pain they felt and the louder the mainstream media complained the more convinced they became that he was their man."


"Trump has delivered destruction beyond their wildest hopes but the tragedy for them is that they worship a narcissistic property tycoon who is incapable of building anything."

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...-reason-he-won-last-time-20200901-p55r6r.html

Im fairly certain he won't get re-elected. He will lead on the day with physical votes. Then lose as postal votes are counted.

Postal vote areas are strongly democrat. They have had years to fine tune their operation.

I would be very surprised if Trump was re elected, no one could get through the blanket negative media coverage, he has had.

moXJO said:

Im fairly certain he won't get re-elected. He will lead on the day with physical votes. Then lose as postal votes are counted.

Postal vote areas are strongly democrat. They have had years to fine tune their operation.

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If you read the research postal votes don't greatly favour one side or the other Trumps claims are more inline with disputing the outcome IMHO.

sptrawler said:

I would be very surprised if Trump was re elected, no one could get through the blanket negative media coverage, he has had.

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With Trumps lack of moral or ethical standards the media have more material to work with than compared to any other administration in US history.

Trumps use of outrage every day to dominate the news cycle is also a factor its really little to do with a political stance by mainstream media for serious political bias you have to watch Fox where they twist themselves into knots supporting Trump.

IFocus said:

If you read the research postal votes don't greatly favour one side or the other Trumps claims are more inline with disputing the outcome IMHO.

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In close races, postal votes are dangerous. Ballot harvesting and lack of voter identification is shonky at best. I posted a recent article on the fraud that goes on.

We get our own suspect elections here as well by running dummy candidates to pull votes.

IFocus said:

With Trumps lack of moral or ethical standards the media have more material to work with than compared to any other administration in US history.

Trumps use of outrage every day to dominate the news cycle is also a factor its really little to do with a political stance by mainstream media for serious political bias you have to watch Fox where they twist themselves into knots supporting Trump.

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News coverage like "mostly peaceful" as the city burns in the background.
The news media have printed sht since Trump got in. Realistically have always done so. NYT even fired, pushed out objective opinions in favour of clickbait articles.

CNN is more delusional then fox.

IFocus said:

With Trumps lack of moral or ethical standards the media have more material to work with than compared to any other administration in US history.
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I don't disagree with that, as for Fox I don't watch it.

It will be interesting to see what american's think at the election, if Trump wins it will be a huge slap in the face for the media in general, a bit like what happened here last election.
Interesting times.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...n-for-trump-among-voters-20200903-p55rvk.html
Washington: A slew of new polls taken after the Republican and Democratic conventions shows Joe Biden continuing to hold a significant national lead over Donald Trump two months out from the US election, even as the contest remains close in several key states.

The series of polls from respected outlets released on Thursday (AEST) show Biden with a national lead ranging from seven to 11 percentage points over Trump, a margin most experts believe would almost certainly deliver the Democratic nominee victory if replicated on November 3.

There are data points all over the shop.

Betfair has them at equal chance after Biden having been odds on previously, and in political terms there is still an eternity till the election.

My gut feeling is Trump will squeak through, but my gut feeling is notoriously inaccurate.

But I shoulda taken the ~$3.50 on Trump that was in the offing a couple of weeks ago.... thems were good odds.

Trump Encourages People in North Carolina to Vote Twice, Which Is Illegal

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html

bellenuit said:

Trump Encourages People in North Carolina to Vote Twice, Which Is Illegal

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html

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President Trump on Wednesday suggested that people in North Carolina stress-test the security of their elections systems by voting twice — an act that constitutes the kind of voter fraud the president has railed against.

Mr. Trump made the comment in a briefing with reporters, where he was asked about his faith in the state’s system for voting by mail, which is expected to be more expansive in the 2020 presidential election than in previous years because of concerns about the spread of the coronavirus.

Mr. Trump encouraged people to send in an absentee ballot and then go vote in person on Election Day.

“Let them send it in and let them go vote, and if their system’s as good as they say it is, then obviously they won’t be able to vote,” the president said. “If it isn’t tabulated, they’ll be able to vote.”

“That’s the way it is,” he added. “And that’s what they should do.”

Voting twice in the same election is illegal.

But Mr. Trump’s suggestion that people should vote twice is one he has discussed privately with aides in recent weeks amid concerns he is depressing turnout among his supporters by raising alarms about the security of mail-in voting.

Yep, Trump is inciting people to deliberately break the electroral law which is a felony.
There is a black woman in Texas doing 5 years jail time for this sort of behaviour.

US voter suppression: why this Texas woman is facing five years' prison
US voter suppression
Texas
Fort Worth is suffering a crisis of democracy – just 6% of electors voted in the last midterms – so why is it aggressively pursuing those who mistakenly cast ballots?

Ed Pilkington in Fort Worth

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Crystal Mason, who is facing five years in Texas prisons because she mistakenly cast a provisional ballot when she was not allowed to do so. Photograph: Ed Pilkington/The Guardian
When Crystal Mason appears in federal court in Fort Worth, Texas, this week she has been warned by her lawyers to be prepared for the worst. Pack a bag, they told her, talk to your children, be ready to go to prison.

As the clock ticks down to her court hearing on 30 August, she finds herself unable to take that advice. “No, I’m not prepared! I can’t go to prison. I’m not leaving my kids,” she said.

Mason, a 43-year-old mother of three, has been sentenced to five years in Texas state penitentiary – with extra time pending in federal lock-up. All because she committed the crime of voting.

On 8 November 2016, as the world waited with bated breath for the outcome of the Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton election, she walked to her local Fort Worth polling station to perform her civic duty as a US citizen. To her surprise, her name wasn’t registered on the voting rolls, so she cast a provisional ballot pending further checks.

In the small print of the form it read: “I understand that it is a felony of the 2nd degree to vote in an election for which I know I am not eligible.” She didn’t read those words, focused as she was on correctly entering her personal details.

Nor did she know that under Texas’s strict electoral laws, she was ineligible to vote. By dint of a previous conviction for tax fraud, for which she had served five years in prison, and for which she was now out on supervised release and living back home, she was one of 500,000 Texans barred from the electoral process.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...g-texas-woman-crystal-mason-five-years-prison

bellenuit said:

Trump Encourages People in North Carolina to Vote Twice, Which Is Illegal

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/us/politics/trump-people-vote-twice.html

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So he wants to double his loss. What's not to like ?

At the moment the Democrat's are not targeting the workers in marginal states so every chance they could lose even if they do win the over all vote count as has happen before.

IFocus said:

At the moment the Democrat's are not targeting the workers in marginal states so every chance they could lose even if they do win the over all vote count as has happen before.

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I honestly can't see him winning. And for comedy purposes (which is my primary voting metric) Biden is looking good for a laugh.

There is a lot of crap written on this forum about US politics/life (including mine).
You might wonder why some of us bother to debate/argue about another countries politics/lives on a stock forum.
The reason I do is because I am worried about Australias' future, in so far that, what ever happens over there (USA) will eventually come to Australia.

It all boils down to this -- free speech or this





It's as simple as that.
What do you want ? Make your choice now, before it is too late.

dutchie said:

There is a lot of crap written on this forum about US politics/life (including mine).
You might wonder why some of us bother to debate/argue about another countries politics/lives on a stock forum.
The reason I do is because I am worried about Australias' future, in so far that, what ever happens over there (USA) will eventually come to Australia.

It all boils down to this -- free speech or this

It's as simple as that.
What do you want ? Make your choice now, before it is too late.

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Bridge to far with that Dutchie and its straight out of the fear politics play book.

Its seems to be working well for you guys.

No political party other than Trump who fuels divisive politics every time he opens his mouth will let this stuff run without some attempt to resolve.

It pretty much all started with Newt Gingrich who kicked off the strategy and then it got away from the Republicans when the Tea Party took off effectually delivering Trump.

The problem for Australia is letting our politicians run no / hate divisive campaigns that says the other side are traitors like Trump and Republicans have for some time demonising the other side.

Abbott had a real go at it Australian style thankfully he is gone rejected by his own party and now also possible by the Poms.

Cross-posting from another thread:

over9k said:

Everyone are getting the jitters about the election.

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All the news are banging on about biden very possibly losing, the polls show a convergence to 50/50, and the odds on the betting sites have shifted significantly:

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Even the democrats have changed their tune and are making videos of the riots etc and superimposing "trump's america" over them:

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The whole thing just smacks of utter desperation.

I mean wow, you mean all those riots that torched entire car dealerships, multi-generation family owned businesses etc etc that democrat mayors and governors allowed to happen aren't reflecting well on the democrat party?

I am shocked I tell you.

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You'll note that literally the day after I made that post that the markets then nosedived with a near 6% drop on the nasdaq and futures/premarket pointing to a repeat of the same bloodbath tonight. I know the poll was a couple of days earlier, but it's the only thing I can think of to explain the massive selloff.

This story is creating some flack for the White House.
Naturally there is total denial from the Office that Trump has ever been anything less than respectful and supportive of all servicemen.
Interestingly another source notes the information was verified by senior Defense officials...

Trump called American war dead ‘losers’ and ‘suckers’, report alleges
The president made the comments as he declined to visit a cemetery outside Paris where US Marines are buried, according to the Atlantic report
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Fri 4 Sep 2020 12.14 AEST
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A new report details multiple instances of Donald Trump allegedly making disparaging remarks about members of the US military who have been captured or killed, including referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers”.

The allegations were first reported Thursday in the Atlantic. A senior Defense Department official with firsthand knowledge of events confirmed some of the remarks to the Associated Press, including the 2018 cemetery comments.

The defense official said Trump made the comments as he declined to visit the cemetery outside Paris during a meeting following his presidential daily briefing on the morning of 10 November 2018.

Staffers from the National Security Council and the Secret Service told Trump that rainy weather made helicopter travel to the cemetery risky, but they could drive there. Trump responded by saying he didn’t want to visit the cemetery because it was “filled with losers”, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss it publicly.

The White House blamed the canceled visit on poor weather at the time.

In another conversation on the trip, the Atlantic said, Trump referred to the 1,800 Marines who died in the first world war battle of Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

“This report is patently false,” said White House strategic communications director Alyssa Farah. “President Trump holds the military in the highest regard. He’s demonstrated his commitment to them at every turn: delivering on his promise to give our troops a much needed pay raise, increasing military spending, signing critical veterans reforms, and supporting military spouses. These nameless anecdotes have no basis in fact and are offensive fiction.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/trump-american-war-dead-losers-suckers-report