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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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*I would be more likely to shout bas a pint and have a nice chat.

And perhaps we could have a dispassionate, civilised, evidence based chat about The Don ?

Just for some prior reading check out how his sister Federal Judge Maryanne Trump Barry sees her brother.
Possibly some of us have noticed some similar traits ?
Once, Twice, All the Time ?

(But This Just Can't Be True, Can it ? It has to be FAKE NEWS !!
(That record is so cracked)


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'Donald is cruel': Trump's sister recorded saying president has 'no principles'
Maryanne Trump Barry, a former federal judge, made the comments to her niece Mary Trump in secretly taped conversations

Donald Trump’s older sister, a former federal judge, is heard sharply criticizing her brother in a series of recordings released Saturday, at one point saying of the president: “He has no principles.”


Maryanne Trump Barry was secretly recorded by her niece, Mary Trump, who recently released a book denouncing the president, Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man. Mary Trump said Saturday she made the recordings in 2018 and 2019.

In one recording, Barry, 83, says she had heard a 2018 interview with her brother on Fox News in which he suggested that he would put her on the border to oversee cases of immigrant children separated from their parents.

“His base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this,” Barry says.
At another point she says: “His goddamned tweet and lying, oh my God.” She adds: “I’m talking too freely, but you know. The change of stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy ****.”

Barry can also be heard saying that she guesses that her brother has never read her opinions on immigration cases.

“What has he read?” Mary Trump asks her aunt. Barry responds: “No. He doesn’t read.”

The recordings were first reported by the Washington Post. The Associated Press then obtained the recordings.

The recordings came to light just a day after the late Robert Trump, brother to Maryanne and the president, was memorialized in a service at the White House. Later, the president was dismissive of the recordings.

“Every day it’s something else, who cares. I miss my brother, and I’ll continue to work hard for the American people,” Trump said in a statement. “Not everyone agrees, but the results are obvious. Our country will soon be stronger than ever before.”

In the weeks since the release of Mary Trump’s tell-all book about her uncle, she has been questioned about the source of some of its information.

Nowhere in the book does she say that she recorded conversations with her aunt. On Saturday, Mary Trump revealed that she had covertly taped 15 hours of face-to-face conversations with Barry.

“Mary realized members of her family had lied in prior depositions,” said Chris Bastardi, a spokesman for Mary Trump. He added: “Anticipating litigation, she felt it prudent to tape conversations in order to protect herself.”

The president has frequently spoken highly of his sister; the recordings are the first time a family member, outside of Mary Trump, has been critical of him.

The recordings illuminate the tension between the president and his sister. At one point Barry says to her niece: “It’s the phoniness of it all. It’s the phoniness and this cruelty. Donald is cruel.”

Mary Trump’s book was filled with attacks on her uncle, including the assertion – denied by Trump – that he paid someone to take the SATs for him as he sought to transfer into the University of Pennsylvania.

In one recording, the federal judge says that a Joe Shapiro took the test for Trump. The president was friends with a person at Penn named Joe Shapiro, who is deceased. Shapiro’s widow and sister told have said he never took a test for anybody.


Bastardi said of Mary Trump: “She never expected to learn much of what she heard, including the president’s sister, federal judge Maryanne Trump Barry, state that Donald Trump had paid someone to take an SAT exam for him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...r-recorded-saying-president-has-no-principles
 
I'd probably slip some valium into your drink to to calm you the **** down, tbh.
 
Maryanne Trump Barry, a former federal judge, made the comments to her niece Mary Trump in secretly taped conversations

I'm not sure how I'd feel if a trusted family member secretly taped my confidential conversations and then spread them around the media.

Anyone care to comment on the ethics of that ?

Anyway I suppose she could argue that its in the public interest seeing that the subject is the President.
 

Interesting thought.

I don't believe that is the way it actually happened. Mary Trump, Donalds niece , was pretty xissed off with Donald Trump after the way he had treated her father. She was the one who has written the book about Donald Trump " Too much is never enough" which blows the lid on Donalds whole of life behaviour.

As part of her research on Donald Trump, Mary she had many long conversations (over 15 hours) with Maryanne Trump Donalds older sister. Maryanne has had a distinguished career and is a Federal Judge.

It was these conversations which formed a significant part of her book. Apparently Mary had these conversations some time before she decided to write the book. She decided to (secretly) record these conversations to

1) Enure she accurately remembered them in the future
2) Have a permanent public record to provide proof of her statements. Or at least ascribe a clear source of the information.

Historically Donald Trump had used binding confidential legal agreements to shut down personal disagreements. He has also just lied and lied and lied about many incidents. Nothing new there.

In this case the providence of the claims made in Marys book return to the hitherto respected Maryanne Trump.

The story in the Washington Post goes into much more detail of the Trump family history as revealed in the conversations. It also ties in with the current investigations into Trumps financial dealings. It was Mary Trump who leaked financial records to the New York Times over the valuations of businesses that was used in financial settlements. The differences are absolutely huge ($30m vs $1 billion) .

Finally on a point of law. It is legal New York laws for conversation to be taped if at least one party agrees

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d457f4-e334-11ea-ade1-28daf1a5e919_story.html

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...-is-maryanne-trump-barry-donald-trump-sister/

https://recordinglaw.com/united-sta...party-consent-states/new-york-recording-laws/
 
I'd probably slip some valium into your drink to to calm you the **** down, tbh.

I think you might need the Valium mate.. You can take a couple for me if you like..
It's going to be a heroic road to hoe sticking up for The Don. This story might just break the dam wall.

And in September Michael Cohens book will be published. More reasons to scream Fake News
 
I don't use benzos baz, they're addictive.

I'd go a nice cup of chamomile tea though, if you're offering.
 
. This story might just break the dam wall.

Naaah: Everyone knows what the Don is like. Doesn't change anything much in my view.
The Steve Bannon Build the Wall controversy is more interesting but Trump is clean of that.

What I didn't realise but read over the weekend on an article on Michelle Obama saying everything is looking pretty bad while her husband says hope is where its at (typical).

She said she is feeling a weight and sadness and it appears she reflects the country. Statistics show that much of the USA is pretty miserable . (1/3 of Americans are suffering anxiety and/or depression) This is where Trump will lose the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...with-depression-anxiety-pandemic/?arc404=true
I don't think Conservatives or Liberals can or want to continue under the present poor leadership. The Democrats handed the Republicans a chance to switch leaders but they blew it.
 
Naaah: Everyone knows what the Don is like. Doesn't change anything much in my view.
The Steve Bannon Build the Wall controversy is more interesting but Trump is clean of that.

Who knows. Just checking up on the Washington Post story I noticed that the issues of how Trump valued his businesses were at the core of Mary Trumps leaks to the New York Times which led to the current investigations into the financial affairs of Trumps empire.

This also relates to the use and release of Trump tax records. Worth remembering it was Al Capones non declaration of income/Tax records that ultimately put him in jail.

IMV the denouncement of Donald by his older sister will be a very charge to deal with. Will he call it all Fake News ? Say its made up. The voices are there. Everyone can hear them.

Does he say MaryAnne is just very nasty and a Liar ? Don't think that will go down well .

How will he respond to questions on the various issues raised in the next Press Conference ? Deny them? Abuse the reporter ? Trash MaryAnne?

I also believe these reports will increase the potency of Michael Cohens book in September when he lays out all the bag work he did for Trump over many years.

The deals. The pay offs. The confidential non disclosure arrangements. Probably the tax arrangements that enabled Donald to screw his brother and the IRS.

Overall I think it will be a mortal blow when Republicans (reluctantly) realise this guy is just too dangerous to be in power again. MaryAnne Trump Barry is a strong conservative. She would represent a similar stream of views who will, IMV, take the step of supporting a Joe Biden Presidency.

I also wonder how the Republican Party itself will view the issue and respond. At some stage one would think they would try to save the furniture - in this case control of the Senate even if Trump loses.

The interesting issue will be how widely this story gets run and how public opinion and in particular Republican opinion is affected. Another 1% swing from the Republicans to Biden would be catastrophic.
 
19k comments under the Washington Post story on MaryAnne Trumps views

A few of these comments.

18 minutes ago
Well, the Trump family certainly is useful for making one feel better about one's own normal-grade dysfunctional family. Trump is literally like a monster, created by his horrible parents and unleashed upon the world at exactly the moment and the place he could create the most damage possible. It's really an incredible story.


11 minutes ago
I don't think Ms. Trump's classically Trumpian actions writing this book are a surprise to anyone -- even Trump's base absolutely knows that he's a scumball and clearly just doesn't care one iota about his lack of morals/soul/decency etc.. The Trump family is a like a bunch of animals, tearing each other apart - the more vicious they are, the more admirable. If a book like this had been aimed at an enemy and written by one of his own children, Trump would be so proud of his "killer" progeny that he wouldn't be able to contain himself.


14 minutes ago
Yes, it is news that she said it, and it is recorded. No, it is not news that Trump does not read, that he has no principles, that he always lies, that he is cruel, that he cheats. Everyone knows those things, including Trumpkins. But having his sister's honest opinion makes it just a bit harder for them to pretend they don't know them.


47 minutes ago
Let some Dem's go high. I'm in the Lincoln Project camp.

Hit em hard, hit em low and dont stop.

44 minutes ago
When he's down, kick him.

38 minutes ago
Proud donor here.

1 hour ago
Perhaps some Trumps are finally experiencing the First Amendment. They've never been allowed to speak their minds honestly. They've never heard honest feedback so it's not surprising they are astounded that DJT gets so much criticism. It never would be allowed for fear of losing $ and the possibility of love. Not one of them has been free to express themselves due to signing away their voices. Even this wall is crumbling. His facade is weaker every day. He's weak, his fortress of lies is weakening, and his enablers are being unmasked at an alarming (for them) rate. No wonder they want to silence the rest of us. We have the one thing they don't! Our voice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ade1-28daf1a5e919_story.html#comments-wrapper
 
From above Washington Post comments thread

4 hours ago
Wow, bonespurs can't even get his own sister to endorse him.
No wonder he has to shop for wives overseas.
 
Always interesting to see the moral values of the Evangelical Right. Jerry Falwell Jnr is a strong Trump supporter

Business partner of Falwells says affair with evangelical power couple spanned seven years
‘IDEAL TARGET’: Giancarlo Granda, who says he had a years-long sexual relationship with the Falwells that began when he was 20, said he now believes the Falwells preyed upon him. “Whether it was immaturity, naïveté, instability, or a combination thereof, it was this ‘mindset’ that the Falwells likely detected in deciding that I was the ideal target for their sexual escapades,” he said. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-falwell-relationship/
 
I don't think anyone anywhere thinks Trump is a good person. But personally I prefer the overt shtbags rather then those covert ones like Obama.

Obamas leadership left the world in a terrible place. It didn't just happen under Trumps term. You also got Trump because of Obama.

As for Marxist. I find it funny that cities are being burned by mobs, people being beaten, murdered, crime. And its glossed over for non events like "Q" or "boogaloo boys". You have media and politicians working in tandem with people destroying their cities. Absolutely staggering hypocrisy.
 
I don't think anyone anywhere thinks Trump is a good person. But personally I prefer the overt shtbags rather then those covert ones like Obama.

So overall, despite everything you have seen of the Trump administration, despite the way they have (not) handled the COVID 19 crisis, despite how they have openly supported some of the most aggressive right wing regimes and organisations around the world and at home, despite how they have attacked and undermined democratic European democracies..

...you believe they are a better alternative to the Democrats and better than President Obama.
 

Hell yeah!
 
Well Moxjo, Dutchie maybe Michael Cohen has a clearer inside perspective on Donald Trump than us 12,000 miles away.

 
How well did Trump Build The Wall ?
The great beautifiul wall that would define his new border protection policy ?
Check out the review of 4 years office.

John Oliver on Trump's border wall: 'Stupider than I thought was possible'
Four years after predicting an expensive, ineffective and racist policy, The Last Week Tonight host checks in on Trump’s signature promise of the border wall

...“Fisher Sand & Gravel is a company with a checkered past, that partnered with a shady nonprofit whose backers are now under indictment for skimming money for their own use, in order to have a foreman who’s not an actual foreman help build a wall that looks like it’s going to collapse or get pushed over,” Oliver summarized. “And if you know anything about this administration, it will not surprise you to learn that Fisher has now wound up with over $2bn in border-building contracts.”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...der-wall-stupider-than-i-thought-was-possible
 
Mo please there is no such thing as a Marxist in any sort of position of power in the US FFS you have to raise a moxsa just to get elected, guess what that aint Marxist.

No one and I mean no one supports a left wing agenda in the US.

Democrats are not repeat are not left wing they either are or supported by billionaires FFS.

Simple test......whats the wealth disparity in the US? is it getting bigger? Is it the greatest ever transfer of wealth in history?

Really the world has gone mad and completely stupid.

How do I know this.......Trump supporters making up excuses.
 
Huh?

Bernie? Williamson? Beto? AOC? The mayors of Portland/Seattle? Half of the Dems in the house and senate?

You have got to be freaking joking.
 
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