Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

This is the POTUS the leftist brats are trying to impeach.

Interesting reading.

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I dare you to let us know what Trump has cut.

Knobby22 said:

I dare you to let us know what Trump has cut.

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Black unemployment, poverty, economic uncertainty for starters.

Nobody's claiming Trump to be the perfect president, knobby, but in face of the rabid Trump derangement syndrome we see here and elsewhere I thought it was quite interesting.

Now if you want to dwell in the extreme derrangement that has been programmed into your brain by the leftist media, that's your choice.

Wayne, Donald Trump is being impeached because he used his Presidential office to try an force another country to make up an investigation on a political opponent. .

He is also being impeached for obstructing at every step of the way the investigation into that behaviour. Whatever excuse you can come up with about :"What he has achieved as a President " has no bearing on these activities.
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In any case if one was to look at the entirety of his Presidency IMO opinion it ranks as one of the most corrupt, destructive set of "achievements" in US history. The destruction of the EPA. The destruction of public education. The rollback of US international action on climate change. (Clearly one of his great achievements in the eyes of climate change deniers ...) The use of the Presidential office to enrich his businesses and his family fortunes.
The incessant, unrelenting Bullxhit that has debased political conversation. The lies after lies after lies after lies until only the most dogged people can count them. And of course the most biased just excuse them all.
A foreign policy agenda that supports right wing dictators across the globe from the Phillipines to Brazil to Hungary, Poland, Russia. Yep, lets look at the whole picture of this deranged sociopath who has no boundaries.

And by the way Wayne. Why do believe that string of achievements strung out by Robby Starbuck ? And who actually proposed them ? And what happened around them ? For example I am absolutely certain that the Trump administration has cut into National Parks. Where does that figure ?

The alternative realities trotted out by the deranged Trumpites is just a another lying smokescreen to divert attention from why he is being impeached and what he has to explain.

basilio said:

Wayne, Donald Trump is being impeached because he used his Presidential office to try an force another country to make up an investigation on a political opponent. .

He is also being impeached for obstructing at every step of the way the investigation into that behaviour. Whatever excuse you can come up with about :"What he has achieved as a President " has no bearing on these activities.
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In any case if one was to look at the entirety of his Presidency IMO opinion it ranks as one of the most corrupt, destructive set of "achievements" in US history. The destruction of the EPA. The destruction of public education. The rollback of US international action on climate change. (Clearly one of his great achievements in the eyes of climate change deniers ...) The use of the Presidential office to enrich his businesses and his family fortunes.
The incessant, unrelenting Bullxhit that has debased political conversation. The lies after lies after lies after lies until only the most dogged people can count them. And of course the most biased just excuse them all.
A foreign policy agenda that supports right wing dictators across the globe from the Phillipines to Brazil to Hungary, Poland, Russia. Yep, lets look at the whole picture of this deranged sociopath who has no boundaries.

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Okay, let them try him in the Senate under proper rules of evidence then. Let's see how that goes.

wayneL said:

Okay, let them try him in the Senate under proper rules of evidence then. Let's see how that goes.

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What ? You mean like having statements from all staff involved in this fiasco ? Putting them under oath to relate what directions they were given ?
Lets go..

basilio said:

Wayne, Donald Trump is being impeached because he used his Presidential office to try an force another country to make up an investigation on a political opponent. .

He is also being impeached for obstructing at every step of the way the investigation into that behaviour. Whatever excuse you can come up with about :"What he has achieved as a President " has no bearing on these activities.
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In any case if one was to look at the entirety of his Presidency IMO opinion it ranks as one of the most corrupt, destructive set of "achievements" in US history. The destruction of the EPA. The destruction of public education. The rollback of US international action on climate change. (Clearly one of his great achievements in the eyes of climate change deniers ...) The use of the Presidential office to enrich his businesses and his family fortunes.
The incessant, unrelenting Bullxhit that has debased political conversation. The lies after lies after lies after lies until only the most dogged people can count them. And of course the most biased just excuse them all.
A foreign policy agenda that supports right wing dictators across the globe from the Phillipines to Brazil to Hungary, Poland, Russia. Yep, lets look at the whole picture of this deranged sociopath who has no boundaries.

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And yet more than 50% of Americans will disagree with you in 2020
But then again they must be deplorables.

wayneL said:

Black unemployment, poverty, economic uncertainty for starters.

Nobody's claiming Trump to be the perfect president, knobby, but in face of the rabid Trump derangement syndrome we see here and elsewhere I thought it was quite interesting.

Now if you want to dwell in the extreme derrangement that has been programmed into your brain by the leftist media, that's your choice.

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Mental health care for one.

And if we want a fair trial in the Senate how about

1) Senators casting votes in a secret ballot.
2) Hearing the sworn evidence of the security staff, diplomats and admin staff who followed the attempts to force the Ukrainian PM into to announcing a trumped up investigation into Joe Bidens son.

Fair enough ?

Ukraine is a USA Allie,
Ukraine is the only state post 1945 to be invaded.
Denying approved military aid alone is impeachable.

Donald trump has had 238 golf days costing over 130 million USD at his golf resorts for 235 out of the 238 days.

I note with amusement billionaire delusional non tax paying cretin Bloomberg go busted for having prisoners make phone calls on his behalf as he has no public support.

Bloomberg much like Trump favors no change to the elite paying no tax.
USA spending 3 times what anyone else does for healthcare.
He also supports no change to the minimum wage

In a single months Bloomberg now has spent USD 120 million which is more than all of his other Democratic 2020 contenders and this includes the enormous sum spent by Starbucks idiot billionaire Steyer ... who has spent 85 million on his campaign and about 60 of that on advertising.

Whilst NOT anti billionaire when they pay tax, in the USA some pay none. Amazon paid NO tax last year and in fact got a 129 million refund despite NPAT of 11 billion. Gates who ... well ... hid under a supposed charity ... paid over the last 30 years an effective tax rate of 11.6% on his income about 33% of the headline rate.

If say Andrew Forrest of Australia or Gina did not pay the close to 30% corporate tax rate each year they went very close.

In the USA payroll tax for old age pensions, medicare, disability and so on at around 15% STOPS at $120k ,,,, and they pay a discounted amount from that level.

Absurd ... insulting and well ... killing many Americans without any form of healthcare.

Corporate wise after Trump tax cuts 79 of the S+P 500 companies which were massively profitable paid ZERO TAX .... ones such as Amazon, Chevron and Netflix ... of the 379 others recently studied they paid an effective rate of 11.2% on USA generated profits. As to overseas tax paid .... well that ... is even more a joke .... try 1% for EU nations .... we get 2% tax paid ...

I say eat the RICH American billionaires with a nice Chianti and Fava beans ... as Hannibal Lector would do. Not our ones ... they pay bloody tax at at least double the rate.

With around 700 USA billionaires its disgusting that we now have had 4 of this elite out of touch group running for the job. Of the Democratic contenders Biden is backed by 44 others and bankrolled and then Butteigig the idiot Wine cave mayor of some tiny town is backed by 39 others and Yang ... well Yang has some of the Tech big boys backing him and advising and bankrolling his nomination.

World or the USA at least has gone totally mad.

The Senate has already said Trump wont be impeached...........is that a court process?

In fact its a bigger sham than that the Republicans have been negotiating with the white house how the show is going to run.

US politics is predicated on who raises the most funds wins so the politics is pretty shoddy how ever US government institutions are not that's why the Republican are all out trying to destroy them under Trumps watch.

Didnt notice on that wonderful list the unfunded tax cuts adding trillions to the debt burden.

Interestingly a few US conservative commentators are start to worry about the Americans (middle and lower class) missing out on the booming economy genuine concern there could be public unrest.

Big business spends a lot of money on media advertising, if someone is damaging their business model, one would assume pressure would be brought to bear. Weird people are so easily manipulated IMO.
As with the British election, I guess it will be left up to the people to decide, yet again.
The public unrest and disenchantment will show by the vote, who it is focused on, I guess.
On the recent O/S holidays I have been on, if I get the opportunity to ask a yank about politics, they have all said they don't really like Trump but the U.S is doing well under his leadership.
I guess it's a bit like our last election, someone overseas reading our papers would have thought Labour were a shoe in, I did. It shows how wrong the press can be.

basilio said:

And if we want a fair trial in the Senate how about

1) Senators casting votes in a secret ballot.
2) Hearing the sworn evidence of the security staff, diplomats and admin staff who followed the attempts to force the Ukrainian PM into to announcing a trumped up investigation into Joe Bidens son.

Fair enough ?

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If he was cleared using your criteria, you still wouldn't be happy, that is the problem with fanaticism.

Knobby22 said:

Mental health care for one.

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This thread shows that is sadly lacking IMO.
It will be great when Trump's next term is over, hopefully then everyone can de stress.

sptrawler said:

This thread shows that is sadly lacking IMO.
It will be great when Trump's next term is over, hopefully then everyone can de stress.

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The riposte of the year comes right at the very end. ROTFL!

sptrawler said:

If he was cleared using your criteria, you still wouldn't be happy, that is the problem with fanaticism.

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Why would you use that term?

The Republicans in the house never at any time try to rebuff the evidence as presented.....never.

The Republicans along with the white house have obstruct many of the witnesses and evidence as possible.

There is no doubt Trump and his administration has acted outside his authority and got caught.

The question is not his actions but do they deserve impeachment this is nothing to do with popularity or polling.

When you let an executive act outside of the rules without restrain then bad things happen........always

IFocus said:

Why would you use that term?

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The post was making reference to Bas's passion with regard trump, as reflected in his posts, no matter which measure you judge Trump by, I doubt Bas would ever have a positive outlook of him.
On a personal level I think Trump is a very unlikeable person, but I guess it doesn't bother him and the courts will judge him or the electorate.

sptrawler said:

If he was cleared using your criteria, you still wouldn't be happy, that is the problem with fanaticism.

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In a Court of Law Donald Trump would be convicted within a week on the evidence around the charges made against him.

In a Senate 52/100 Republician Senators appear determined to acquit him regardless of what is said just because he is their Republican President and they are in thrall to him. That's politics in the US in 2020. Nothing to do with criminal behavior or evidence.