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China deal not going ahead till after the election?
Fighting now with France? New tariffs for Europe.
Chile and Argentina hit with tariffs.

There are consequences for disrupting world trade.
 
SirRumpole said:
Jim Mattis was one of the most highly regarded "public servants" in the US.

If Trump should have listened to anyone, he should have listened to Mattis, but Trump's ego was too big to have another peacock on his patch.
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Ego.....
Mad dog Mattis was pretty pro Australia. Mainly because he wanted to use us as a pivot point for US troops in the Pacific. Trump wanted tariffs.
 
Knobby22 said:
China deal not going ahead till after the election?
Fighting now with France? New tariffs for Europe.
Chile and Argentina hit with tariffs.

There are consequences for disrupting world trade.
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Any tariffs for the poms?
Maybe a nod deal was struck against the EU.
 
moXJO said:
Trump is literally a small time crook standing in the shadow of crime lords.
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On the scale of crooked billionaires Trumps a failure by all measures, still he got elected breaking all the rules will be interesting if he stays out of jail post his term.

There is no way a China deal wont be done before the election, none even if the yanks have to pay for one.
 
IFocus said:
On the scale of crooked billionaires Trumps a failure by all measures, still he got elected breaking all the rules will be interesting if he stays out of jail post his term.

There is no way a China deal wont be done before the election, none even if the yanks have to pay for one.
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Hong Kong demonstration was a massive US win.

If Hillary can "bleach bit" her hard drives then smash them up with hammers- I reckon Trump will stay out of prison on the myriad of Chinese whispers he is subjected to.
 
IFocus said:
There is no way a China deal wont be done before the election, none even if the yanks have to pay for one.
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I'm confused IFocus. All these double negatives, does that mean there is no way a deal will be done or no way a deal won't be done?
 
Second stage of impeachment. Deciding what particular charges will be laid.
This analysis outlines what will be examined and why it is critical for impeachment to go ahead.

Democrats' Trump impeachment report: five key takeaways
House intelligence committee sets stage for articles of impeachment amid ‘overwhelming’ evidence of misconduct

Tom McCarthy in New York

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The House intelligence committee released a major report Tuesday in the impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump. The report contends that Trump “abused the power of his office for personal and political gain, at the expense of [US] national security”. Here are five key findings:

1) ‘The evidence of the president’s misconduct is overwhelming’
In reply to Trump and the Republicans’ insistence that the investigation has gathered no evidence of wrongdoing, the 300-page report brandishes 100 hours of testimony from 17 witnesses and 30 hours of public hearings. The report also presents never-before-seen call records showing that Rudy Giuliani was in direct contact with the White House and the Office of Management and Budget after military aid to Ukraine was suspended.

“The evidence of the president’s misconduct is overwhelming, and so too is the evidence of his obstruction of Congress. Indeed, it would be hard to imagine a stronger or more complete case of obstruction than that demonstrated by the president since the inquiry began,” the report says.

2) The report lays the groundwork for articles of impeachment
The report is split into two main sections, one on “the president’s misconduct” and the other “the president’s obstruction of the House of Representatives’ impeachment inquiry”. The sections seem easily adaptable to two articles of impeachment against Trump, one for abuse of power and one for obstruction of justice. There could be further articles.

“The president engaged in this course of conduct for the benefit of his own presidential reelection, to harm the election prospects of a political rival, and to influence our nation’s upcoming presidential election to his advantage,” the report says. “In doing so, the president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States, sought to undermine the integrity of the US presidential election process, and endangered US national security.”

3) The report bakes in rebuttals of Republican arguments
Cooked into the report are multiple rebuttals to arguments Republicans have made against the impeachment process. Republicans have said that Trump has had no mechanism for defending himself; that impeachment would amount to overturning the 2016 election; that Democrats have long pursued impeachment per se; and that impeachment requires a criminal act.

As it summons evidence of Trump’s misconduct, the report responds to those arguments, pointing out that witnesses requested by Republicans testified in public hearings and expressing the consensus of scholars that no statutory crime is necessary for impeachment (though Democrats have alleged campaign finance and other violations).

As for the question of “overturning the election”, the report says: “The president and his allies are making a comprehensive attack on the very idea of fact and truth. How can a democracy survive without acceptance of a common set of experiences?”

4) It implicates others around Trump
The report blasts Trump administration officials who bowed to the White House demand that no one speak with the committees in a “sweeping effort to stonewall the House of Representatives”.

The months-long Ukraine scheme, the report says, was “driven by” Trump. But “senior US officials, including the vice-president, the secretary of state, the acting chief of staff, the secretary of energy, and others were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the president”.

5) Unanswered questions – and two warnings
With the inclusion of recently obtained phone records and other material, the report reveals that behind-the-scenes work on the case continues.

“There remain unanswered questions, and our investigation must continue, even as we transmit our report to the judiciary committee,” the report says.

Then it delivers distinct warnings about what Trump might do next if he is not impeached – and what future presidents might do if Trump is not challenged on his obstruction of Congress.

“Given the proximate threat of further presidential attempts to solicit foreign interference in our next election, we cannot wait to make a referral until our efforts to obtain additional testimony and documents wind their way through the courts,” the report says.

“The damage to our system of checks and balances, and to the balance of power within our three branches of government, will be long-lasting and potentially irrevocable if the president’s ability to stonewall Congress goes unchecked. Any future president will feel empowered to resist an investigation into their own wrongdoing, malfeasance, or corruption, and the result will be a nation at far greater risk of all three.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...s-trump-impeachment-report-five-key-takeaways
 
Knobby22 said:
I'm confused IFocus. All these double negatives, does that mean there is no way a deal will be done or no way a deal won't be done?
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Sorry Knobby year 10 English (intermediate level, talked to much needs to apply himself harder I think my report said fact is I was a poor student :()

I think a deal will absolutely be done for the elections sake alone and be touted as the greatest / best deal ever done by the brilliant, the greatest mind / strategist ever to be president of the US all said without blushing by Trump.

At least this is what the Chinese know.

If this is true then Trump will happy throw the US under a bus and sign anything, however if he is a patriot then maybe not........I think Trump will make a deal no matter what and his admin will know this IMHO.
 
moXJO said:
Hong Kong demonstration was a massive US win.

If Hillary can "bleach bit" her hard drives then smash them up with hammers- I reckon Trump will stay out of prison on the myriad of Chinese whispers he is subjected to.
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"Hilary would have been worse" wont make much of a foot note in history but I think her facing a hostile FBI in the middle of an election probably will.

Reality is if the Republicans and their backers (think bottomless pit of money and lack of morals) could have hung Hilary she would have been locked up by now.

Fact is the Trump administration has replicated the foibles of Clinton emails on steroids and some plus if you watch Planet America (recommended) they have covered it all quite well.
 
IFocus said:
Fact is the Trump administration has replicated the foibles of Clinton emails on steroids and some plus if you watch Planet America (recommended) they have covered it all quite well.
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Oh I doubt it.
 
Irrespective of how the current impeachment sham plays out I think it will be important that impeachment processes are instigated on any new President (either Democrat or Republican), preferably before inauguration.
 
In all of this there are no clear facts against Trump that would stand the test of a proper judicial hearing.

And as for Planet America I immediately switch channels away. Just fancy land crap in my view.
 
Apparently some are now blaming him for letting Saudi Arabian military people in, for training.
Guess you can't win.
 
explod said:
In all of this there are no clear facts against Trump that would stand the test of a proper judicial hearing.

And as for Planet America I immediately switch channels away. Just fancy land crap in my view.
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I agree, it is a bit like this and some other similar threads. Lol
I'm in Narita at the moment watching CNN, because it's the only channel I can understand.
Well watching the news reports Trump hasn't anything to worry about, the Lady that is leading the anti Trump charge, looks like she is having a meltdown IMO.
What a comedy.
 
Summarizing the impeachment proceedings in 5 minutes

These are the facts and the evidence behind Trumps impeachment
 
basilio said:
Summarizing the impeachment proceedings in 5 minutes

These are the facts and the evidence behind Trumps impeachment
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Did your alternative "facts" include the Ukrainian president saying their was no pressure from trump?

All they have is Chinese whispers....
 
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