Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

This is all you need to know gents:

Wayne is right. The bidens look more likely to have partaken in corruption. The Trump "quid pro quo" is plausible but still a long shot with whats presented. This is purely political at this moment and no one in the real world seems to give an F.

I like how you numbnuts get feverish over the possibility of a conviction. While ignoring all the dems absolute bullsht they have attempted and basically ignoring it.

I'm just astounded at how some people swallow Trump's bullsh*t and completely ignore the underlying principle that he used public money or the threat of withdrawing it to achieve a personal political advantage over a rival.

Anyone who thinks that is OK belongs in a South American dictatorship or a communist People's Party.

So let's say an Australian Prime Minister threatened to withdraw funding to a State government unless they investigated the Leader of the Opposition on any crime of the Prime Ministers choosing.

That would be fine would it ?

SirRumpole said:

I'm just astounded at how some people swallow Trump's bullsh*t and completely ignore the underlying principle that he used public money or the threat of withdrawing it to achieve a personal political advantage over a rival.

Anyone who thinks that is OK belongs in a South American dictatorship or a communist People's Party.

So let's say an Australian Prime Minister threatened to withdraw funding to a State government unless they investigated the Leader of the Opposition on any crime of the Prime Ministers choosing.

That would be fine would it ?

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You seem to have missed that there is no evidence of that.

SirRumpole said:

Come on, using public money to achieve a private advantage ?

That's corruption through and through.

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I thought using public money to show corruption was the basis of a law following governments, a must do, of course except for democrats when the corrupt is on their side
Can the rabid anti Trump crowd not take a step back and look at the whole story? Is it so hard?
What next? Throwing the cops who kill terrorists in jail for murder?

wayneL said:

You seem to have missed that there is no evidence of that.

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Only 5 people with first hand knowledge just testified .... even 3 supplied emails !!

Is 5 enough ? The other 5 involved, Pence ... the VP and energy sec ... Guliani .. Mulvaney and so on refused to appear.

Refusing to appear before the inquiry is called obstruction ... so we have appointed flunkies refusing to appear before the elected officials. Members of the House, elected by the people. Sounds like obstruction looks like and smells like it.

Golly ... what planet are we now on ?

Nothing is evidence ... other than the facts as clearly displayed with backing documents, diaries, emails and time lines.

kahuna1 said:

Only 5 people with first hand knowledge just testified .... even 3 supplied emails !!

Is 5 enough ? The other 5 involved, Pence ... the VP and energy sec ... Guliani .. Mulvaney and so on refused to appear.

Refusing to appear before the inquiry is called obstruction ... so we have appointed flunkies refusing to appear before the elected officials. Members of the House, elected by the people. Sounds like obstruction looks like and smells like it.

Golly ... what planet are we now on ?

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The same planet that demands a quality of evidence, rather than heresay than guessing.

Trump is actually begging for a trial so he can further humiliate the Dems.

USA aid .... military aid ... to an allie who is fighting Russian insurgency was stopped.

Stopped unless an investigation into a political opponent and 2020 candidate was announced. The AID was approved by both houses and held up by Ronald McDonald until that event occurred.

Sondoland the EU ambassador provided direct testimony along with Emails putting Trump, VP Pence and a long list of others under the bus.

So too did 4 others this week ... say the same.

Imagine if this regime was YOU or OUR Allie ? We were relying upon the USA for ammo to fight someone ?

Whoops this is our mate ... how reliable is the USA ?

So Scott Morrison decides to do the same and demand an investigation of Pauline Hanson by some nation prior to aid being provided ? Sadly the liberal party actually sent Pauline to jail with Abbott leading the process ... what did happen to Tony Abbott ?

What happened to the leader at that time .... Joan Howard ? At least both lost their seats, Trump ... well he will be building a statue to himself as the greatest American President of all time.

All time !!

He makes Nixon look like a saint.

kahuna1 said:

Only 5 people with first hand knowledge just testified .... even 3 supplied emails !!

Is 5 enough ? The other 5 involved, Pence ... the VP and energy sec ... Guliani .. Mulvaney and so on refused to appear.

Refusing to appear before the inquiry is called obstruction ... so we have appointed flunkies refusing to appear before the elected officials. Members of the House, elected by the people. Sounds like obstruction looks like and smells like it.

Golly ... what planet are we now on ?

Nothing is evidence ... other than the facts as clearly displayed with backing documents, diaries, emails and time lines.

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Not on the basis of the evidence presented.

I'm sure Trump is capable of doing exactly what he was accused of. But I'm not stupid enough to believe this is anything other than a political witch-hunt.
Where is the scrutiny on the Bidens?
Seems one side just wants to see Trump swing. Lefty justice always was one eyed though.

Hang on gents you do realise this is a political process not a court room regardless of the terminology being used.

You know a political process like hmmm the one groper Clinton faced who was convicted on lying nothing that he had actually committed just how would Trump stand-up in the same circumstances?

OOOh hang on pr0n star sex is fine right!

The Starr enquiry was the ultimate witch hunt but then you know Hillary would have been worse Ha Ha.

The lunacy around Trump is hard to grasp.

moXJO said:

Where is the scrutiny on the Bidens?

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Bidens whilst ... trading on their name are an aside.

Cutting off much needed military aid to a friend who is under attack is number one.

Number two is the fact that the USA goverment asked for investigations by a foreign govt into only 2 of its 325 million citizens .... and diplomats with 30-35 years experience had NEVER heard of such a request ... to a foreign govt.

Never .... please investigate one of our own ...

Number three ... is the fact that this unheard of request, unheard of by ambassadors with 30 plus years experience was not to investigate a private citizen ... BUT a political rival and his son.

What Biden and his son did, is kind of immaterial in the extreme behind these three points.
So what nepotism occurred. Look at Ivanka and Jarrad in the white house making 100 million last year.

Nepotism for the billionaire and rich corrupt class in the USA is par for the course. People licking their shoes sadly is what most people either mindlessly do watching FOx news ... or if your a politician such as our PM ... you bend over, tolerate being hung up upon ... or waiting for 90 minutes for meeting as the president stuffs 3 big mac's into his hole whilst getting more orange dye in his hair.

This is reality 2020.

Bloomberg another entitled twit with no grasp on anything other than white New York has the right to stop and frisk 500,000- African Americans each year is about to spend 200 million trying to buy the USA presidency or ... ensure that Warren or Bernie Sanders does not get in because they would actually charge this 87 year old cretin some tax !!

Bloomberg did buy the New York mayors job, but then again Guiliani was Mayor so one does not need to jump very high to get there.

Nope ... investigate the Bidens and loose the point ... and issue.

Keep watching Fox news and reading every single Trump tweet ... its all fake ... Crowdstrike a USA company ... Trump now claims is Ukrainian ... and I note some fool on this site quoting Trump and his views. Crowdstrike an internet security company in California ... actually provides security to the Republican party and its servers ... yet in the world of Trump ... and for some here ... its Ukrainian and or doing the total and complete opposite of what it actually does.

According to Trumps 53 minute call to Fox and friends yesterday.

Trump called for the Bidens to be investigated just like the person here.

Trump claimed he had a great week during the hearings, just like the person here.

Amazing ... chilling .... either way the house will impeach him, unlikely senate will convict him as they are as delusional as Trump himself.

IFocus said:

Hang on gents you do realise this is a political process not a court room regardless of the terminology being used.

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Until it gets to the Senate.

Read up on the process.

wayneL said:

Until it gets to the Senate.

Read up on the process.

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And then it becomes a legal issue and all the senators adjudicate on the facts. As many have a legal background you can be sure a proper decision will be made.

President Trump wants it to go to the Senate so justice can quickly occur.

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Knobby22 said:

senators adjudicate on the facts. As many have a legal background you can be sure a proper decision will be made.

President Trump wants it to go to the Senate so justice can quickly occur.

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Wow ....\
The senate vote will go along party lines. Republicans hold a majority in the Senate. All facts, laws and evidence ... is damming, sadly ... damming ... yet its unlikely to vote to impeach Trump.

USA is at an end as a democracy and world leader.

The facts ... justice and even the right thing, are secondary.

USA is what it is. OVER ....
Sadly so.

When a president can bribe a hooker to shut up prior to election, hire right wing NAzi people and then have a media system support him, its time for the people, the 99% to vote.

Unlikely much changes sadly in 2020 ... the 99% are not really aware of how bad things are in the USA.

This impeachment vote is actually one about the future of the USA ... as a world leader or a new tin pot ... banana republic. Thump their chests all they want about USA USA ... rah rah rah justice and so on .... how righteous they are ... except when it comes to anything of substance.

Suggesting a proper ... even a correct legal decision will be made in the USA in 2019/20 is astounding if not delusional.

I was being sarcastic. Describing how it would have worked in Lincoln's time, how it was designed.

Didn't you see the emoji?

We all know how it is going to go.

In fact we are entering an historical moment that will be studied in history classes in 100 years time.

The moment when it is shown that the constitution was undeniably broken.

Knobby22 said:

I was being sarcastic

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Sorry missed the irony ....

Knobby22 said:

We all know how it is going to go.

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Yep ... sadly so ... miracles unlikely.
Another 4 years of this madness seems sadly likely.

I am not sure, fiscally .... it will end prior to 2024, reason being debt to GDP likely hits 115% by then for the USA.

More tax cuts, likely aimed at the top 1% in the USA certainly will add more to stock values when they pay now 14% tax verses 26% pre Trump ... cutting it to say 8% ... overseas tax paid by the likes of Google now with a permanent tax amnesty for overseas profits at 10.7% flat rate and effective under 5% tax paid .... again ensures any non USA goverment is loosing massive income which is of course going to stock buybacks and CEO packages and flowing to Gates, Buffett Bezos and Bloomberg just to name a few.

We are as you say in historical times. Even if a democrat not a corporate democrat like Biden Or Buttgig or Yang was elected but say Warren or even better Bernie Sanders was to be elected, the sad fact is Trump has destroyed most USA departments from the inside and it will take a decade to even hope to repair them. Having a coal Lobbyist in charge of the EPA in 2019 or a coal barons wife at the UN looking over climate issues ... matched with energy company CEO's running the USA governments oversight and then we get to yet another Goldman Sachs cretin in the form of Treasury secretary and Commerce run by a mortgage junk king who evicted people for less than $1- in arrears post GFC and was paid by the USA goverment to do it ...

Its .. what it is ... broken.

Impeachment is unlikely in the senate and when 51 of the 100 senators are actually lawyers ... an amazing and disgusting ratio all by itself, to have 51% of one house of Federal Government represented by 51% LAWYERS ... seriously ?

It will take a miracle to change and with hate being pumped and fear being stoked via Trump its unlikely to change even by 2024 let alone 2020.

Not one of the witnesses could say that Trump authorized any deals. They simply assumed or guessed. Anyone saying otherwise is spreading bs...... again.

That doesn't mean that Trump didn't push. But there is a bunch of hot air so far.

moXJO said:

Trump authorized any deals

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No he defied the house and congress ... aid approved ... he BLOCKED it.

That was the deal or blackmail.

Investigate or I will block it.

Are you a cultist ?

Cult of Trump ?


This book may help ...
then again Trump does not read and most followers seem unable to.

kahuna1 said:

No he defied the house and congress ... aid approved ... he BLOCKED it.

That was the deal or blackmail.

Investigate or I will block it.

Are you a cultist ?

Cult of Trump ?


This book may help ...
then again Trump does not read and most followers seem unable to.

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Most of you anti trumps are deranged on any bs you can find. Same as the 50 other times you all got it wrong.
"Cult of Trump" how about cult of reality. You guys get a bug up your ass every couple of months about Trump.

Once again there was no link despite the bs coming out.