Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[moXJO]

Both children and adults are assigned “alien numbers” once they enter the custody of the United States

So there is obviously a database in place. They may however get lost in the system. Even snopes was a bit vague on details.

 

[moXJO]

It is just disgusting.

Watching clips of those talk show hosts and "news" anchors calling child imprisonment as "summer camps"; that Trump is only screwing with these people and their kids because they're illegal foreigners, doing it to "protect" American citizens. Fark me.

I used to wonder how the Nazi got perfectly decent Germans to go along with their crimes... this is a perfect example of what a morally screwed up "leadership" with compliant media/propaganda machine can do.

Trump just literally lower the safety standard of baby cots. How will that save American infants?

He's ramping up the defunding of public schools; further cutting funding for higher education... poor kids wanting to learn? Go get a job you stupid peasants.

Raising rent on gov't housing. Cutting back food stamps and healthcare on children and pensioners...

All that because apparently the US have no money. But somehow they magically have $70B extra they're putting towards the military budget; and that $1.5 trillion tax cuts.

And now, with these "trade wars"... That's just a new tax on American consumers. I mean, any company that's affected by it will get taxpayers subsidies. So they can raise their prices if that's what they need to do to retain the same margin, and if that's not enough, they lobbied to get subsidies.

Maybe they really should stop "protecting" and helping people.

Did the US leave the UN?
Does that mean they don’t have to worry about following protocols around refugees?

 

[basilio]

Some interesting statements in this article:

"There is no system in place to reunite them. The children were not properly registered."

If this is true then its disgusting and a real violation. If its not true, then its just as disgusting. Can anyone verify from a non media source?

Just hitting those URls and reading the stories gives the detail of how the US government has made it exceptionally difficult if not impossible to re connect separated families.
But then that was always the intention.

 

[basilio]

Both children and adults are assigned “alien numbers” once they enter the custody of the United States

So there is obviously a database in place. They may however get lost in the system. Even snopes was a bit vague on details.

The article made it clear that the communication between the various organisations holding parents and children is minimal. The numbers assigned to children and parents are not connected. The system as it stands isn't designed to enable families to be re united.

Another story from a person directly dealing with the children in camps.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

 

[IFocus]

Liked this quote

"Sara Sanders, no shirt, no morals, no service"

 

[moXJO]

Just hitting those URls and reading the stories gives the detail of how the US government has made it exceptionally difficult if not impossible to re connect separated families.
But then that was always the intention.

I think the risk is kids getting lost in bureaucratic bungling in having to deal with policy on the run.
I understand pushing tough borders, but they should have put laws in place prior. Instead they ended up with this media nightmare.

They might be expecting the heat to die down once the left loses interest (manus style) and the wider public stop caring.

 

[moXJO]

The article made it clear that the communication between the various organisations holding parents and children is minimal. The numbers assigned to children and parents are not connected. The system as it stands isn't designed to enable families to be re united.

Another story from a person directly dealing with the children in camps.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

Interviews are always emotive and leading, unless its from an impartial source (around these issues). What they say they observe and what actually happens might be miles apart.

 

[moXJO]

Liked this quote

"Sara Sanders, no shirt, no morals, no service"

Or Red (communist) Hen.

 

[Tisme]

Apparetly those seeking asylum are fleeing high rates of crime in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

The US asylum legal rules don't accommodate that kind of asylum, being there for religion, race, political persuasion, nationality or social group membership. Because there's been relaxation at various intervals the population think taking in general crime victims is law, but it isn't.

 

[SirRumpole]

Apparetly those seeking asylum are fleeing high rates of crime in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

A "justified fear of persecution" is the criteria I believe. I don't think high crime rates fit the bill.

 

[Tisme]

A "justified fear of persecution" is the criteria I believe. I don't think high crime rates fit the bill.

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title08/8tab_02.tpl

If the seekers are coming through Mexico, there is the argument they safer there than their home country and need not seek US admission.

 

[Tisme]

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[basilio]

Apparetly those seeking asylum are fleeing high rates of crime in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

The US asylum legal rules don't accommodate that kind of asylum, being there for religion, race, political persuasion, nationality or social group membership. Because there's been relaxation at various intervals the population think taking in general crime victims is law, but it isn't.

Up until a few months ago they in fact did. That was when Jeff Sessions decided to drastically tighten asylum laws by decree rather than through the law.
Jeff Sessions accused of political bias in hiring immigration judges
Allegations that the justice department is blocking judges on political grounds comes as the attorney general has drastically tightened asylum rules

Tom Dart in Houston

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Sat 16 Jun 2018 11.59 BST Last modified on Sat 16 Jun 2018 14.23 BST

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The attorney general, Jeff Sessions, announced on Monday that those seeking sanctuary as victims of ‘private criminal activity’ will not generally qualify for asylum. Photograph: Michael Candelori/Rex/Shutterstock
The Trump administration has been accused of illegally rejecting potential immigration judges for being too liberal, amid outrage over families being forcibly separated at the southern US border and a harsh crackdown on migrants seeking asylum.

The allegations of politicized hiring practices come as the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, has issued a decision that will bar most victims of gangs or domestic violence from securing asylum in the US.

As chaos continues at the Mexican border over Trump’s policy of “zero tolerance” against anyone entering the US unlawfully, Session has underlined his power over a quasi-judicial immigration system that affects millions.

The attorney general has the power to hire and fire immigration judges and make unilateral rulings such as the one he announced last Monday, which holds that those who cross the border illegally seeking sanctuary as victims of “private criminal activity”, as opposed to state-sanctioned persecution, will not generally qualify for asylum.

Critics now worry that immigration courts are vulnerable to politicization by a White House with an overt hostility towards many classes of immigrants.
Four Democratic members of Congress wrote to Sessions in April expressing concern after whistleblower allegations that the Department of Justice “may be using ideological and political considerations to improperly – and illegally – block the hiring of immigration judges and members of the Board of Immigration Appeals”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ions-political-bias-hiring-immigration-judges

 

[IFocus]

Or Red (communist) Hen.

I think it's largely a behavior/liar thing framing left/right just doesn't work IMHO.

 

[Tisme]

 

[moXJO]

I think it's largely a behavior/liar thing framing left/right just doesn't work IMHO.

Yeah... I kinda felt like "I feel like snowflake chicken tonight" wasn't going to work either. I should of just left it alone.

 

[luutzu]

Difference is the North Korean news anchor got a gun or two to their head. What's the Fox anchor's excuse?

But this is nothing though. In a decade or two, there'll be at least one High School named after the Trump. A couple more decades after that and he'll be the new Ronald Reagan. Nah, new Washington: I can always tell a lie.

 

[Darc Knight]

I knew Trump's Book The Art of the Deal was crap, but I didn't know this
"Now ‘The Art of the Deal,’ is making headlines again in 2016, following a controversial interview in The New Yorker with the book’s co-author Tony Schwartz. Schwartz claims he wrote “every word,” of the popular book. “Donald Trump made a few red marks when I handed him the manuscript, but that was it,” he said in an interview with ABC’s 'Good Morning America.'

Schwartz, who observed Trump almost daily for 18 months when penning 'The Art of the Deal,' describes Trump as a dangerous sociopath whose successes were mythicized in 'The Art of the Deal.' Schwartz says he now regrets writing the book:“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Schwartz told The New Yorker. In response to Schwartz’s ‘Good Morning America’ interview and New Yorker article, Trump’s camp has issued Schwartz a cease-and-desist letter and has asked Schwartz to send a check to Trump for the royalties generated from 'The Art of the Deal,' plus his advance.

This Is How Donald Trump Actually Got Rich | Investopedia https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-rich/#ixzz5JVdPoo4m

 

[SirRumpole]

Markets getting nervous over escalating trade war.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-26/share-markets-dive-as-traders-get-nervous/9909858

 

[luutzu]

Markets getting nervous over escalating trade war.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-26/share-markets-dive-as-traders-get-nervous/9909858

With interest rate rising, most people up to their eyeballs in debt. Oil and energy prices up, so will the costs of everything else they care to use... Wages practically flat.

All that before the trade wars.

Some analysts quoted by Reuters says that, from memory, of the the first $200B, only about 1% of it affect consumers. Trump's proposing some $450B now.

After the first $200B, everything else, the guy said, will directly impact consumers.

But I guess this is that trade war the US have to have. Leave it any longer and China will rule the world. They're already planning that Made in China 2025 where it's mandated that Chinese firms better capture a sizeable market in a dozen or so key industry around the world by 2025.