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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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The guy doesn't read and prefers to watch Fox News, then spend all night posting on twitter about the stories he has seen on the TV. He's an embarrassment.
 
Tisme said:
If you don't know the common variables of govt and private to maximise productivity you would be starting way back behind the start line and that's too big a teaching task for anyone man, even me...
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And if you can't understand that Government is about balancing the needs of the whole community and having transparent processes in place to ensure good goverence rather than pandering to a big business group then you're clearly a difficult person to teach.

Let's take a concrete, far reaching example of how disastrously wrong headed the Trump government is.
The EPA has a new head, Scott Pruitt, who is systematically destroying the mandate of the EPA while swanning around on First Class travel, taking expensive holidays courtesy of big business miners and creating a 20 strong personal security force by sacking EPA employees ! This is Trumpian government.

Scott Pruitt is slowly strangling the EPA
The unprecedented regulatory slowdown and rollbacks at the Environmental Protection Agency.
By Umair Irfan Updated Mar 8, 2018, 8:19am EST
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The mandate of the head of the Environmental Protection Agency is to protect human health and enforce environmental regulations.

Yet when he reflected on his first year in office in a recent report, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt celebrated the rollback of 22 regulations under his watch, and cheered President Donald Trump’s rejection of climate science and policy.

This is the EPA administrator whose tenure has also been marked by highly unusual, even paranoid, precautions: armoring himself with a 24/7 security detail, building a $25,000 secret phone booth in his office, spending $9,000 to sweep his office for surveillance bugs, and hiding his schedule from the public.

But some of the biggest, and most overlooked, changes Pruitt has made at the EPA have come by not doing anything at all. He’s steering the EPA’s work at an agonizingly slow pace, delaying and slowing the implementation of laws and running interference for many of the sectors EPA is supposed to regulate. His EPA has also collected far fewer fines from polluters than any of the last three administrations during the same time.

With more staff and funding cuts looming, even fewer toxic chemicals and other environmental hazards will be measured, and the statutes that protect against them won’t be enforced.

“People will get sick and die,” Christine Todd Whitman, who served as EPA administrator under President George W. Bush, told Vox. “It’s that simple.” Some 230,000 Americans already die each year due to hazardous chemical exposures. “You stop enforcing those regulations and that number will go way up,” she said.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/1/29/16684952/epa-scott-pruitt-director-regulations

Ethics watchdog says EPA chief Scott Pruitt's rent deal, expenses, travel raise troubling red flags
  • Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt has caught flak for flying first class, paying just $50 per night for a Capitol Hill rental and reportedly shuffling staffers who questioned his spending.
  • The Office of Government Ethics in a new letter warned the EPA that Pruitt's actions "raise concerns and may constitute a violation" of federal ethics rules.
  • Pruitt's large security detail, which costs millions of dollars, is justified by the number of death threats he has received, according to the EPA.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/eth...xpenses-travel-raise-troubling-red-flags.html
 

Yeah, but your decent into the vicissitudes of maniacally calling out members as liars, personal insults and other nasty things they are not, doesn't engender confidence in your objective assessment of Trump.

The best you do is post pulp fiction from news rags.
 
Right Tisme. Just point out which parts of the stories I quoted are fiction. Bas

Tisme said:
I don't have to. It's your reputation that has to be repaired, not mine.
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Hmm. Tisme declares that 6 legal investigations in Scott Pruitts managment of the EPA can be disregarded because I point them out.

I think that says FAR, far more about your infinite capacity for denial than any accusation I could possibly make.
 
Tell you what Tizzie. Could we get someone else on ASF to reference the six investigations into Scott Pruitt ? Would that help you get over the line in terms of checking facts and actually talking about the maladministration happening under The Don ?
 
Could anyone else second this post for Tizme's benefit ? Wayne ? Satan Opera ?
Thx..

Scott Pruitt’s actions at the EPA have triggered a half-dozen investigations
Government watchdogs have legal and ethical investigations underway as new allegations emerge in letters from Congress.

The pressure on Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt is building as inauspicious details keep emerging about his activities in office.

On Thursday, House and Senate Democrats sent two letters to Pruitt and the White House detailing new alleged transgressions provided by Kevin Chmielewski, a former campaign aide to President Trump who worked as a deputy chief of staff at the EPA under Pruitt.


The letters reveal Chmielewski’s deep concerns about a multitude of indiscretions, including Pruitt’s refusal to stay in secure hotels recommended by the State Department on international travel, instead opting for more opulent accommodations. Chmielewski also said that when he objected to retroactively signing off on paperwork justifying first-class travel for the administrator and one of his aides, he was sidelined and received threats from Nino Perrotta, the head of Pruitt’s 24-hour security detail. It’s worth reading the letters in their entirety:
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envi...epa-scott-pruitt-investigations-scandal-condo
 
basilio said:
Right Tisme. Just point out which parts of the stories I quoted are fiction. Bas



Hmm. Tisme declares that 6 legal investigations in Scott Pruitts managment of the EPA can be disregarded because I point them out.
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Did he really?
I think that says FAR, far more about your infinite capacity for denial than any accusation I could possibly make.
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Habitual invocation of 'd' word accusations, in response to opposition, does tend to diminish others' perceptions of one's credibility, and capacity for impartiality, does it not?
 
cynic said:
Did he really?

Habitual invocation of 'd' word accusations, in response to opposition, does tend to diminish others' perceptions of one's credibility, and capacity for impartiality, does it not?
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Maybe ? Hopefully it doesn't completely destroy ones capacity to read.

Why take my word for the problems Scott Pruitt is facing ? The accusations are tabled.
 
basilio said:
Maybe ? Hopefully it doesn't completely destroy ones capacity to read.

Why take my word for the problems Scott Pruitt is facing ? The accusations are tabled.
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From where I am sitting, this all looks suspiciously like, a small part of a larger political power play. One which has been put into operation pursuant to someone else's agenda.

So I do not find it at all surprising that this has garnered your interest.
 
Fox News says...

Comey calls Trump 'morally unfit to be president,' says he wouldn't have changed handling of Clinton probe

By Barnini Chakraborty | Fox News

In his first interview since being fired, former FBI Director James Comey described President Trump as an ego-driven liar who treats women like “meat” and is “morally unfit to be president.”

“I don’t think he’s medically unfit to be president. I think he’s morally unfit to be president,” Comey said in a wide-ranging sit-down Sunday night with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos. “A person who sees moral equivalence in Charlottesville, who talks about and treats women like they’re pieces of meat, who lies constantly about matters big and small and insists the American people believe him - that person is not fit to be president of the United States on moral grounds.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ldnt-have-changed-handling-clinton-probe.html
 

Or perhaps if you read the letters sent to the Congress they reflect truly appalling goverance standards by Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA.
 
basilio said:
Or perhaps if you read the letters sent to the Congress they reflect truly appalling goverance standards by Scott Pruitt as head of the EPA.
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What are the political affiliations of the instigators of this call for investigation?

How much impartiality is evident in their testimonies?

Why not wait for the completion of the investigation (if there is to be one) before jumping to conclusions about the propriety (or lack thereof) of Pruitt's conduct?
 
Are you saying he is guilty?
Isn't the investigation just ramping up.
 
moXJO said:
Are you saying he is guilty?
Isn't the investigation just ramping up.
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Quite correct. The six separate investigations into the way Scott Pruitt is administering the EPA need to be completed.

On the other hand the policy decisions he has made in terms of reducing the effectivenesss of the EPA in monitoring air, water and soil pollution are clear. He is defanging the EPA.
 
They are all $hitbags out for themselves.
 
Tisme said:
Wot?

I don't think I'm a passive troller ... seems only the few of us here have no allegiance to the duopoly that is erroneously considered a choice.
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No Carl. I'm not accusing you of trolling and to be honest I'm not sure why we're even having this conversation.

I'm just putting it out there that disagreeing with Donald Trump doesn't mean one is some kind of extremist / hater and shouldn't be labeled as such.

Trumps' behaviour over the weekend does illustrate my point though. Right on cue, really
 

You must admit there is a lot of spit and vitriol when it come to denigrating Trump. Working on the marketing 80/20 maxim only a minority of angry people are actually angry for the best intentions, the rest are a mob who love band wagoning the hysteria.

I think if people are prepared to heave bricks at things they hate, they need to be prepared to receive a rebound. He is very predictable...someone with enough smarts could make a lot of money, prestige and convenience out of that.
 
I agree, especially with the heave bricks bit and that's what we're seeing today. Saw plenty of hate during the Obama era and even more of it here in OZ during the Gillard "Ditch the witch" era, and ironically the vast majority of it coming from the very people who are now playing the victim.

The Cronulla riots were inspired by right wing hate. It's nothing new - just more vitriolic.
 
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