Knobby22
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I am Gen X, made an error, but as a male I have that whiff of immaturity most guys share also
Goodness, Knobby, that's interesting. I've always thought of you as Gen X or even older. Must be that air of maturity.
various people said:accusations of brainwashing / defence of critical thinking faculties / generational conflict etc. etc.
What a load of tosh, a load of condescending twaddle, and I am talking to the others in this trhread also.
The problem is that some of you elderly people have become fixed in your views, unable to way issues and willing to be drip fed by the media organisations catering to your biases so your views don't get challenged. Give em hell Starcraftmazter, they have no great hold on wisdom.
And for that stupid saying that people get wisdom by becoming right wing in their old age, I used to be right but now I have gone to the centre and as a gen Y so I suppose that means I am a complete retard.
of life. Communism also attempted to break down the morals of our youth with the intrduction of pornography.
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During the 50's and 60's, communism infiltrated the unions with super charged power. A majority of workers had to have a paid union ticket to be employed. They would wield the stick over the wharfs, rail, construction sites, abattoirs and any manufacturing establishment where they could cause disruption with strikes and disruption to our way of life. The sole purpose of their strategy was to break down the economies of countries like Australia resulting in high unemployment, high interst rates and higher cost of living and people discontent with the ruling government of the day. Communism would then become the alternative with promises of a better way of life. Communism also attempted to break down the morals of our youth with the intrduction of pornography.
We were probably saved by the mere fact that communism failed and many unions became redundant when most workers defected on the grounds of non compulsory membership. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe there is now something like 15% of workers belong to a union and most of these are public servants in police, nursing and other government utilities. Unions now do not have the power they once had.
As an alternative, we now have "GET UP" who have set out to do exactly what communism once did and that is to disrupt and boycott any organisation who go against government policies such as the carbon dioxide tax and live meat exports and who is a foundation member of this corrupt organisation?
NONE OTHER THAN OUR ASSITANT TREASURE AND SON-IN-LAW OF THE GOVERNOR GENERAL. MR. BILL SHORTEN.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Are the alarm bells ringing.
http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ermail/comments/the_new_warming_mccarthyists/
Asked about the impact on Tasmania's Nyrstar zinc plant, Mr Wilkie said: "I am satisfied the settings that are relevant to the zinc smelter are fair to the zinc smelter ... and there is no reason in the world that (it) would suffer any undue difficulty."
Yeah Ts,its not a young and old thing would you beleive I was a conscientious objector, hated America had long hair and smoked pot all cops were pigs and puppets of a totalitarian regime,Che Guevara was the man,moon walk was a day of school and not a plot,
I was thrown out off school at 15 and travelled till I found I could,nt keep living on the dole I now run a 5k turnover business and find its just harder and harder by rules made by people who dont have a clue whats going on civvy street
Nobody wants a *&#@ed world
We also run a sustainable cattle enterprize and have been governed by greenies who want to charge us for water in our dams, cattle farting and tree clearing some thing we have been doing for generations I dont want some pimply faced kid college kid telling me what I,m doing wrong because it looks good on paper
Have a look at the big names behind climate change we have listened to Al Gore but Lord Monckton turns up and nobody whant,s to know, banned from Broncos Club thats great for democracy.
When there,s nothing left it will be to late to late to say sorry[oh yeah why did I have to say sorry for something i did'nt do] but it won't be to late to say i told ya so
The only reason Tas does not have a 100% renewable electricity supply is due to decisions forced on the state by Labor in order to buy green votes in Sydney and Melbourne.Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ws/story-e6frfku9-1226090753040#ixzz1Pzs6gLtg
In other words to get Wilkie to sign the carbon tax deal means the concessions he has gained for his state (Tasmania) will far outweigh the common good of the people of OZ.
Will you be floating stock? I'm sure many of us would be willing to investI am going to start selling paddles as we are right up there.
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having previously been both a union member & site delegate in the construction industry i feel i can comment on this post with a measure of authority.
a majority of people support the original concept of trade/workers unions. that idea was strenght to stand up to unscrupulous employers through solidarity, a noble idea and one that lead to better work conditions, better workplace safety, a 'fair days work for a fair days pay' employee/employer relationship. this worked fine whilever the union leadership were workers who came up through the ranks to positions of power.
as noco has stated this changed in the 60s/70s when the union leadership, which was formerly made up of real workers, was replaced by the 'professional leadership' of university educated lawyers/activists/pseudo-intellectuals, who were really just a front for the corruption of the union movement by infiltration of their fabian socialist ideals.
it was due to this new fanatical leadership, that was driven by political dogma rather than concern for workers issues combined with their use of thuggery to destroy the original concept of the democratic/representitive nature of the union movement, that lead to workers becoming dis-illusioned with unions and leaving them in droves.
if the unions returned to their proper charter of looking after their members instead of pushing political positions (CFMEU PUSHING CARBON TAX FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!! do they really think coal miners support that position!) then membership would blossom again. during my time as union delegate i was disgusted at the corruption & dishonest behavior of both the big construction companies & the union leadership. neither looked after trhe best interests of the employee's IMO!
however nocos porno quote is drawing a pretty long bow i'm afraid!
"get-up" is a front organisation pushing the agenda of billionare parasite george soros (who funds all kinds of nasty insidious organisations) and who former canadian govenor general John Ralston Saul had this to say: "in times past george soros would have been hung as a pirate".
we are definately heading into uncertain times with the lunatics having taken over the asylum! those 2 turncoat independants have ALOT to answer for and i think they had better steer clear of their constituents for awhile! theres alot of anger in new-england thats for sure!
5k turn over you mght be better off back on the dole foghorn
As you get older and run your own business you will find that the people in charge are not in touch with the real world ,we cant keep having long weekends for the first six months of the year with every one on full pay, our lifstyle is to extravagent to sustain. People from other countrys do not feel its their right to rob the boss.
And it is not us making this nanny nation its them stupid bastards you voted for.
I think you will find the brainwashing is quite subtle but also quite thorough.
And, "global warming" was taught as if it was fact rather than scientific theories by some some scientists, most of whom are on government pay rolls.
Commendable you want to save the planet. We ALL do. But we cannot do it by ourselves. If the other larger "polluters" (USA & CHINA) will not pull their emissions back because they do not want it to collapse their existing economy then why should we?
This is what is happening in reality my learned adversary.
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P.S. your cartoon has "clean water, air" as one of it's goals. Point of difference to a CO2 tax
What do greenie supporters think of this? Hypocrisy, right? Why doesn't she ride a bike instead of adding polution to earth - let alone her car costs to the tax payer?...
Compensation for sacrifices endured during rest time???? What does this mean?
True enough, but what represents 'quality of life' to you may not to someone else.
Do you think it's just possible that people who have actually been through a great depression (as opposed to the piddly little recessions seen in recent years) may have some valid views about this?
I had no understanding of what it was like until my father took exception one day to my dismissive attitude and explained in very clear terms the horror of that time.
Ah, but this is where you are wrong. People can indeed argue against such a proposition, from the basis of costs/benefits.
You are entitled to your view, but others are also entitled to theirs.
Thank you for telling us about what you have studied. Do you have a job?
I don't think I actually suggested that you'd necessarily have studied Environmental stuff. My comment was rather based on the inevitability of absorbing the general ethos which prevails in most universities, i.e. a Left political bias.
If you think that's not a valid and realistic suggestion, you are effectively declaring that you do not believe you will learn anything in the next ten, twenty, fifty years.
Some of what you may learn, if you are prepared to be open minded, is that governments are - if not actually corrupt - self serving politically, and quite prepared to compromise what genuine beliefs they may have for political survival.
Mate ,why arn't you out on the piss tryin to get laid
This is the stuff being perpetuated by the alarmists on the basis that it can do no harm to introduce a tax which is not replicated in our trading competitors.I am not happy with the carbon "tax" by any means, but I would be more unhappy if nothing was done. I fear this may be a case of us having to crawl before we can walk.
Comparisons with other politicians are beside the point which is that they who decree we must live without modern stuff like petrol powered cars should be demonstrating the point if they are to have any credibility.2. The article claims; "Senator Christine Milne, who accrued $7527 in Comcar expenses in the past 12 months" - however it makes no effort to compare this dollar figure to any other politician from any other party, nor any sort of an average.
Oh god, one day you might understand that to get ahead in competitive work environments you might actually have to work a few hours of overtime. It's called 'having a career and having a commitment to the job" as opposed to being a little worker bee toiling as little as possibleconcept of "8 hours labour, 8 hours recreation, 8 hours rest"? If someone works overtime they will have to give up one of recreation or rest. Rest is often scarified by Australian workers at a great cost to their health, and by extension the taxpayer in terms of medical costs funded by the government and lost productivity as a result of poorer health than is achievable under ideal circumstances.
This from someone with next to no experience in the workforce. There is no rational way of debating with this sort of ingrained attitude.There is a reason why there are laws for matters such as overtime. It is because most consider overtime as something which hurts quality of life.
No, SCM (try to choose a simpler nic next time, huh), I will not elaborate or explain to you something which you have already decided to reject.Can you please elaborate as to how I absorbed such general ethos? Please, do go into as much detail as you can, as I am very curious as to what basis you have for this most ridiculous notion.
It's a fair suggestion, but it also implies necessarily that I'm incorrect in my current views. Not claiming to be infallible, but I do not like your implication nevertheless.
Pity. A good party would probably do you the world of good.I don't drink.
This is a very valid point, perhaps the most valid point I have come across. I do not yet know how to address it in a way where I am satisfied there can be no logical argument against it.
However from a purely ethical perspective, I would not be able to tell future generations that I considered it was okey to do nothing because some others did nothing.
And here is one of the last 2000 years, I believe it providers greater perspective:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png
I am not happy with the carbon "tax" by any means, but I would be more unhappy if nothing was done. I fear this may be a case of us having to crawl before we can walk.
I do want to emphasise that two graphs don't make an argument though, the point is that there are many equally valid graphs which support opposing views.
having previously been both a union member & site delegate in the construction industry i feel i can comment on this post with a measure of authority.
however nocos porno quote is drawing a pretty long bow i'm afraid!
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