Where in the hell is Australia heading?

[springhill]

What a load of tosh, a load of condescending twaddle, and I am talking to the others in this trhread also.

The problem is that some of you elderly people have become fixed in your views, unable to way issues and willing to be drip fed by the media organisations catering to your biases so your views don't get challenged. Give em hell Starcraftmazter, they have no great hold on wisdom.

And for that stupid saying that people get wisdom by becoming right wing in their old age, I used to be right but now I have gone to the centre and as a gen Y so I suppose that means I am a complete retard.

The problem is that some of you young people have become fixed in your views, unable to way issues and willing to be drip fed by the government and media organisations catering to your biases so your views don't get challenged. Give em hell breaker, they have no great hold on wisdom.

Amazing how, with a couple of word changes, your statement is still 100% applicable.

 

[sails]

...I certainly don't remember anyone indoctrinating me. Not my parents (and if the majority doesn't support significant action towards global warming then that can be said about most parents?), and I don't recall learning much about the climate in schools - not to say they don't mention global warming, I actually do not remember - but either way, I doubt it's significance.

I think you will find the brainwashing is quite subtle but also quite thorough. My grandaughter - grade 5 last year - had one full term where "global warming" was the main feature. Spelling words, assignments and all sorts of other stuff. And yet my granddaughter struggles with learning and there are apparently insufficient funds to help her. It seems priorities are up the creek.

And, "global warming" was taught as if it was fact rather than scientific theories by some some scientists, most of whom are on government pay rolls.

This child was also taught from home not to believe everything, especially theories where scientists do NOT agree.

 

[trainspotter]

Are you for real?

PS. Found the image I wanted

But of course, feel free to reply with "baaaah you don't know what you're talking about you're not old, you were indoctrinated at university somehow by studying completely irrelevant things baaaaah".

Post #55 is legendary stuff. I dips me lid to ya. Great :shoot:

Commendable you want to save the planet. We ALL do. But we cannot do it by ourselves. If the other larger "polluters" (USA & CHINA) will not pull their emissions back because they do not want it to collapse their existing economy then why should we?

We as a nation have already embraced solar, wind, hydro, gas and just about every other way to generate electricity. We have changed out light bulbs to the ones that barely work and are really expensive (but they save the planet). Hybrid cars are all the rage don't you know !! But we need to charge them up with ....... wait for it ......... wait for it .......... ELECTRICITY.

Ummmmmmm why not charge the "polluters" a carbon tax and the money raised goes straight back into developing ........ wait for it ....... wait for it ......... wait for it ......... RENEWABLE ENERGY (fancy name for electricity) rather than compensating everyone ?? HUH ???

There is a difference to cleaning the rubbish from our waterways and saving the planet compared to imposing an umbrella tax on everything we consume in the name of reducing CO2. We already have a GST ....... did this stop the consumerism?

This is what is happening in reality my learned adversary.



P.S. your cartoon has "clean water, air" as one of it's goals. Point of difference to a CO2 tax

 

[trainspotter]

Before this turns into a "YOUNG vs OLD" thread can the OLD component remember back to when they were YOUNG and idealisitic in their approach to life. And the YOUNG can go to parties and vote Green and save the planet.

We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its weakest - Georg C. Lichtenberg

You cannot put an old head on young shoulders - anonymous

 

[overhang]

Post #55 is legendary stuff. I dips me lid to ya. Great :shoot:

Commendable you want to save the planet. We ALL do. But we cannot do it by ourselves. If the other larger "polluters" (USA & CHINA) will not pull their emissions back because they do not want it to collapse their existing economy then why should we?

We as a nation have already embraced solar, wind, hydro, gas and just about every other way to generate electricity. We have changed out light bulbs to the ones that barely work and are really expensive (but they save the planet). Hybrid cars are all the rage don't you know !! But we need to charge them up with ....... wait for it ......... wait for it .......... ELECTRICITY.

Ummmmmmm why not charge the "polluters" a carbon tax and the money raised goes straight back into developing ........ wait for it ....... wait for it ......... wait for it ......... RENEWABLE ENERGY (fancy name for electricity) rather than compensating everyone ?? HUH ???

There is a difference to cleaning the rubbish from our waterways and saving the planet compared to imposing an umbrella tax on everything we consume in the name of reducing CO2. We already have a GST ....... did this stop the consumerism?

This is what is happening in reality my learned adversary.

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P.S. your cartoon has "clean water, air" as one of it's goals. Point of difference to a CO2 tax

That's a bearish looking chart TS, I think I'll be going short. Yes your exactly right the low income earners, pensioners and working families will all be compensated which again leaves the Aussie battlers to foot the bill.

 

[sails]

What do greenie supporters think of this? Hypocrisy, right? Why doesn't she ride a bike instead of adding polution to earth - let alone her car costs to the tax payer?...

From news.com.au by Gemma Jones: Gas-guzzling Australian Greens still using Comcars

Senator Hanson-Young, who accrued $17,260 in Comcar expenses, gave no response when asked if she thought the Greens should give up their cars in light of Senator Milne's comments.

 

[breaker]

And for that stupid saying that people get wisdom by becoming right wing in their old age, I used to be right but now I have gone to the centre and as a gen Y so I suppose that means I am a complete retard.

Yep!

 

[Knobby22]

Yep!

From someone who quotes Andrew Bolt.

 

[overhang]

Yep!

Oh the irony, somehow you continue to stuff your quotes up but yet he is the retard. Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[breaker]

Yeah Ts,its not a young and old thing would you beleive I was a conscientious objector, hated America had long hair and smoked pot all cops were pigs and puppets of a totalitarian regime,Che Guevara was the man,moon walk was a day of school and not a plot,
I was thrown out off school at 15 and travelled till I found I could,nt keep living on the dole I now run a 5k turnover business and find its just harder and harder by rules made by people who dont have a clue whats going on civvy street
Nobody wants a *&#@ed world
We also run a sustainable cattle enterprize and have been governed by greenies who want to charge us for water in our dams, cattle farting and tree clearing some thing we have been doing for generations I dont want some pimply faced kid college kid telling me what I,m doing wrong because it looks good on paper
Have a look at the big names behind climate change we have listened to Al Gore but Lord Monckton turns up and nobody whant,s to know, banned from Broncos Club thats great for democracy.
When there,s nothing left it will be to late to late to say sorry[oh yeah why did I have to say sorry for something i did'nt do] but it won't be to late to say i told ya so

 

[breaker]

From someone who quotes Andrew Bolt.

Who

 

[breaker]

Oh the irony, somehow you continue to stuff your quotes up but yet he is the retard. Pot calling the kettle black.

please explain

 

[overhang]

please explain

Quoting a broken quote whilst insinuating someone is a retard is probably something you'd want to proofread.

 

[breaker]

Quoting a broken quote whilst insinuating someone is a retard is probably something you'd want to proofread.

Sorry mate I did'nt realize one had to quote the whole quote, please excuse my netiquette

 

[overhang]

Breaker are you Bob Katter?, you seem to share his ideology's.

 

[drsmith]

What do greenie supporters think of this? Hypocrisy, right? Why doesn't she ride a bike instead of adding polution to earth - let alone her car costs to the tax payer?...

From news.com.au by Gemma Jones: Gas-guzzling Australian Greens still using Comcars

She is wearing a green top.

Riding bikes is for the peasants, not their rulers.

 

[wayneL]

What a load of tosh, a load of condescending twaddle, and I am talking to the others in this trhread also.

The problem is that some of you elderly people have become fixed in your views, unable to way issues and willing to be drip fed by the media organisations catering to your biases so your views don't get challenged.

Well if we are talking the tendencies of ages, that is fair comment. I have to admit that some older people (and as I think this, I am thinking specifically of my outlaws ) do become irritatingly fixed in their views in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

But that is only some!

It is all about emotional investment in a view. We humans are not as logical as we think.

We of middle age however are a different story, Old enough to cast off indoctrination and young enough not to be ludicrously and illogically fixed.

Give em hell Starcraftmazter, they have no great hold on wisdom.

Who is "they"? The wise or the unwise? Is lack of wisdom that with which you cannot agree? Can the unwise recognize wisdom?

Pffffft

What SCM gives us is a pause to think, to reflect back on our own youth; but it certainly is not "hell"

And for that stupid saying that people get wisdom by becoming right wing in their old age, I used to be right but now I have gone to the centre and as a gen Y so I suppose that means I am a complete retard.

As a gen Y, you must still be quite young.

There is time for you yet!

 

[breaker]

Breaker are you Bob Katter?, you seem to share his ideology's.

LOL who says young fells have no humour,no overhang but... yes I do share his ideology's, he lives near and is a family freind we go shooting together.
Is overhang from to much beer ?

 

[wayneL]

This BS... blah blah blah

I commend you for the zeal of your reply, but not the logic.

Of course you are not indoctrinated and are an independent thinker....


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[Julia]

This "BS designed to bring down small business" is actually referred to work-life balance and compensation for sacrifices endured during rest time.

Compensation for sacrifices endured during rest time???? What does this mean?

Quality of life is the number one priority above all else.

True enough, but what represents 'quality of life' to you may not to someone else.

One argument which I liked (this was before GFC to put in context), is that the worst depression which could potentially be brought on by serious action on global warming is much better than the worst depression and to some extent the extermination of a vast proportion of species that would be brought on by global warming in the event of inadequate action.

Do you think it's just possible that people who have actually been through a great depression (as opposed to the piddly little recessions seen in recent years) may have some valid views about this?
I had no understanding of what it was like until my father took exception one day to my dismissive attitude and explained in very clear terms the horror of that time.

Personally, as bad as it may make things (though I to a large extent question just how bad it would be), I do not fear the idea of creating a better world, even if it will be found to have been unnecessary for the explicit purpose of addressing global warming, nobody can argue that it is pointless to create a better world, nor that sacrifice isn't justifiable in doing so.

Ah, but this is where you are wrong. People can indeed argue against such a proposition, from the basis of costs/benefits.
You are entitled to your view, but others are also entitled to theirs. So far, at least, though the future is looking like being another story.

To the contrary, I make my own decisions, and I reject the notion of having "beliefs". The way I look at world is; either I know something as a certainly, or I am unsure about the subject matter.

Must be very empowering to be so certain. One of the quotes from some quite old person (sorry, forget who it was) remarked that the older he became the more he realised how little he knew.
(Probably some nutty old bugger, though, so don't let it disturb your certainty.)

I'm sorry to call you out on this, but you have actually made a really stupid and baseless series of assumptions.

I have taken no courses at university dealing with any issues of environment, climate, economics, politics, or anything discussed in this thread.

The only courses I have ever taken apart from Mathematics, Engineering and Science (relating to computers) are on modern history and reasoning & philosophy (neither of which relate to issues discussed in this thread). Further, I was never part of any student organisation (in particular any environmental or left-wing organisation).

Thank you for telling us about what you have studied. Do you have a job?
I don't think I actually suggested that you'd necessarily have studied Environmental stuff. My comment was rather based on the inevitability of absorbing the general ethos which prevails in most universities, i.e. a Left political bias.

Is quite ridiculous and blind-sighted, unless we are talking about deeply technical computing (or mathematical) matters. I await to see what you have to say to my reply, and whether you are willing to admit how wrong it was for you to jump to such conclusions as you have in regards to what I have learned at university.

Hopefully I've explained this above.

I find your assumptions to be common among far-right wing people, who like to spout nonsense along the lines of "herp derp liberals bull!@#$ learned from other liberals derp" - as to imply nobody except people of your political and economic beliefs are capable of independent research and critical thinking.

I did not imply that. If you inferred that, that's up to you.

I simply suggested you should revisit the whole notion when you have had some genuine experience in a world outside the cloistered atmosphere of university.

If you think that's not a valid and realistic suggestion, you are effectively declaring that you do not believe you will learn anything in the next ten, twenty, fifty years.

Some of what you may learn, if you are prepared to be open minded, is that governments are - if not actually corrupt - self serving politically, and quite prepared to compromise what genuine beliefs they may have for political survival.

viz. Ms Gillard totally reversing her stand on a carbon tax because she needed to do the bidding of the Greens to retain power. But perhaps you believe rather that she had a sudden conversion to the imperative for a carbon tax, despite recently having persuaded Mr Rudd (leading to his downfall) to wipe his plan for an ETS.

The field is Engineering, Software Engineering specifically.

Sounds like a good choice. I wish you all the best in your chosen field.

I do hope I'm not coming off as too strong, but I do seek to match the level of arrogance that I am met with

No, you're fine. There's something refreshing about the zeal of youth with all its idealism. Not much point in anyone over the age of 30 being critical. We all have to live and derive experience in due course.

I used to be right but now I have gone to the centre and as a gen Y so I suppose that means I am a complete retard.

Goodness, Knobby, that's interesting. I've always thought of you as Gen X or even older. Must be that air of maturity.