Wayne et al . Why not simply focus on discussing the logic and validity of peoples contributions instead of just dismissing them with a label ?
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Does the term "denier" ring any bells?
You too are not reading posts. Your entire focus is one one sentence and are ignoring the rest of the points presented. Happy to discuss logic if you are prepared to venture there.
Trainspotter as the next poster picked up on this throwaway line and requoted it. Essentially this was all he needed to dismiss Starcraftmatzer's coments. And if we go through many other posts we'll find a similar rush to label people or organizations with "Fabian" " "communistic" "socialist" and not actually discuss the questions.
It turns what could be an interesting discussion into a simplistic slanging match.
Ideally, these resources should be rationed in such a way as to account for the energy required to extract them against future surplus energy, and our progress towards replacing these raw resources, and more likely our progress towards getting these resources from other planets - as we will inevitably have to, if we are to survive in a world which has even a fraction of our present quality of living.
To get back to Nocos' original question "Where is Australia heading."
Just step back and look.
We now have a ragtag bunch of irrisponsible fools who wish to experiment with our country. The Greens consist of every type of ........ism, including the most illogical and dangerous which idealism, nicely wrapped up in their personal Gay and Lesbian club.
The world must think we are a joke.
Can someone tell me what a 60 year old can do to fast track the removal of this vile experiment.
chrisalex
One audience member drew parallels with the American revolutionary war, echoing the slogan of "no taxation without representation".
"What is the Coalition going to do to try and stop the people of Australia taking up arms against their government the way the Americans took arms up against their government 200 years ago?" he said.
Mr Hockey said he understood the man's anger but said Australians were a peace-loving nation who fought with words.
We saw former PM Keating on Lateline last night, opining that someone should 'judo chop' Tony Abbott. The luvvies can get away with that sort of language, along with saying that 'deniers' should be tattooed and gassed."Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Does the term "denier" ring any bells?
Yes it's a Luvvies Picnic Day alright. That would be full name: Gregory Ivan Combet. And gee, Heather Ridout, who'd have thoughtGuess who the Guest Speaker is for the Fabian Society of Australia at the Vic annual dinner?
Victorian Annual Dinner - Ross Garnaut Friday, 2 September.
But wait there is more on the Who's Who of Conference Speakers...Greg Combet, Secretary, ACTU...Heather Ridout, CEO, Australian Industry Group...
But at the end you chose to throw in the Fabian line in a sense to dismiss anything Starcraftmatzer said as just dangerous Fabian nonsense.
Trainspotter as the next poster picked up on this throwaway line and requoted it. Essentially this was all he needed to dismiss Starcraftmatzer's coments. And if we go through many other posts we'll find a similar rush to label people or organizations with "Fabian" " "communistic" "socialist" and not actually discuss the questions.
It turns what could be an interesting discussion into a simplistic slanging match.
And gee, Heather Ridout, who'd have thought
Heavens, that's a pretty scary lot of public policy makers.Guess who the Guest Speaker is for the Fabian Society of Australia at the Vic annual dinner?
Victorian Annual Dinner - Ross Garnaut Friday, 2 September
http://www.fabian.org.au/1.asp
Oh look over here ..... Wayne Swan has written an essay for the same organisation.
http://www.fabian.org.au/1140.asp
But wait there is more on the Who's Who of Conference Speakers..........
.... This carbon tax clearly has little, if anything to do with co2 reduction. Trading carbon credits to ease our conscience while not actually reducing anything in the atmosphere? ....
But with Green vote ever increasing it is possible that Green / Labor coalition with few so called independents will always form majority from now on.
Yes the Green vote is bound to increase boosted by indoctrinated school leavers and oldies with dementia...the brainwashed and the brain-dead.
I teach some medical students, and indoctrinated is a very appropriate word. Even these so-called independent thinkers are brainwashed by the system, and that has probably only been around since their secondary education.
What hope do my grandchildren have?
Indeed. If we're going to throw money around then it may as well be at something which is of at least some benefit to Australia and which may have more potential in the longer term, rather than doing something (carbon tax) that's guaranteed to harm us.I would prefer if Government threw money at not yet viable alternatives compared to fossil fuels as: wave, wind, solar, geothermal in a form of incentives rather than tax some, give some tax equivalent to do nothing so they are not worse off.
What they do now is further tilt the LEVEL PLAYING FIELD toward Third World Countries.
They are starting AGW lessons in primary school now. An article last week confirmed it is part of the curriculum, and even though it is scaring some young impressionable primary school kids, Garrett is refusing to remove it.
And I posted about it last year helping my then grade five granddaughter with her homework. A whole term was spent on the nonsense and it was taught as fact. Spelling words, assignments, stage performances were all included.
It's been pretty cold here in Qld and she and I both agreed a little global warming would be very welcome...She has been taught from home that the science is not settled and to question things rather than take everything as gospel she learns from school.
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